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Generally Apple users don't update their computers too often, and when they released the M1 models a lot of people had models pre-2016 that needed upgrading (si

Generally Apple users don't update their computers too often, and when they released the M1 models a lot of people had models pre-2016 that needed upgrading (since pos-2016 models sucked balls). So, part of that unusual demand was also customers finally upgrading their old MacBooks.

smni 4y ago
I’m still using a 15” MBP from 2012 for my personal computer! Waiting to see if a 15” MacBook Air gets released soon, as per the rumors.
- taylodl 4y ago
  Me too. I'll be looking at what gets released this year and decide to buy. I think it's safe to say after 11 years of daily, and rather extensive use, it's time to update! Problem is, it just continues to work so daggone well!
  - macjohnmcc 4y ago
    The new models are so fast it's like magic compared to those older models. Even if they have SSDs.
  - lancesells 4y ago
    I would say wait. If you're not stressed at work and the machine does what you want it to do then perfect! I usually get to aroun ~7 years before upgrade but 11 would be amazing.
- mikhael28 4y ago
  The Macbook Air that's out right now is like 13.6 inches. The screen is much better than the 2012 models, so with the resolution it will feel as big probably if not bigger.
  - achow 4y ago
    As big as rumored 15" or as big as 2012 13"? Both does not make sense.
  - qwytw 4y ago
    But the Air has a lower resolution than a 15inch 2012 MBP? 2880 by 1800 vs 2560 x 1664.
    - stefanfisk 4y ago
      I switched from a 15” Intel to a 14” M1. The screen is WAY better, but certainly somewhat smaller. As you note, pixels are still pixels.
- mikhael28 4y ago
  Cybersecurity dawg. Unless you are running Linux on it, you are at least 10x more at risk of a worm like penetration than something running a up to date OS.
  - sam0x17 4y ago
    He's running the latest os lol
    - GolDDranks 4y ago
      The newest macOSes aren't available for HW that old. My 2015 MBP is already in the death row, update-wise.
      - shagie 4y ago
        It can run Catalina (10.15). That was getting support up until November 2022. While it is past its end of life, it isn't something that is half a decade out of support.
      - jlokier 4y ago
        Later versions of macOS can be installed on older hardware than is officially supported by Apple, by using OpenCore Legacy Patcher: https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/ https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/
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- andylynch 4y ago
  I have one of the too, it’s great but _might_ upgrade soon.
- macjohnmcc 4y ago
  Last year I upgraded from a early 2013 15" MBP to the 16" Max and it's like a whole new world. Way more storage and memory. I can imagine going from the same machine to the M2 would be amazing but from M1 to M2 not enough of a bump to pay the price.
  - bdcravens 4y ago
    Last year I upgraded to an M1 Pro; this year a coworker took that machine and I bumped up to an M2 Max. I can't really tell a difference.
    - sliken 4y ago
      Not surprising. M1 pro -> m1 max = same number of cores at the same speed. So only if you are doing something CPU intensive and not cache friendly would you notice the memory bandwidth doubling. M1 generation -> M2 generation is a pretty small difference, not something you'd normally notice. In my experience unless using a stopwatch or running benchmarks folks don't usually notice improvements till they get into the 1.5 to 2x range.
- JALTU 4y ago
  I would be if the mobo hadn't died unexpectedly! Such a great machine and with 16 GB, worked fabulously. My work-provided 8 GB 13" MBP M1, OTOH, presents me with momentary SPODs at least twice a day.
insane_dreamer 4y ago
I have a 2017 model; other than replacing the keyboard (for free) I've been happy with it (also keyboard replacement ended up being a good thing as I got a whole new top-case with it for free). Would like to get an Mx but will probably wait until it does (I don't "need" to upgrade at this point, more like a "want").
- mikhael28 4y ago
  I feel the same way about my 16' i7 from 2019... but I also have an 14' M1 Pro for work, and if I didn't already have that, I would have definitely upgraded. It's just a much better machine, if nothing else from a battery life perspective. Twice as better, and that counts a lot for me.
  - trinsic2 4y ago
    I can't understand why anyone would want to support a manufacturer that designs a configuration that has the storage an memory soldiered in.
    - pulvinar 4y ago
      Might be because it’s the “soldering in” that boosts its performance. So if you can plan ahead you come out ahead.
      - jlokier 4y ago
        That's true for the memory (RAM), but not the storage (SSD). Socketed SSDs are just as fast and almost as light as soldered, and there is no good technical reason why they shouldn't be upgradable for a long time. I'm in the market for a new Mac. I'm currently using a late 2013 15-inch Retina as my trusty friend. If the M2 Max came with socketed SSD I'd buy it today with the 96GB RAM and max spec in every other regard, despite the price being nearly double what I paid for my current machine 9.5 years ago. But because the SSD is soldered on, expensive and non-upgradable, and I'm always running out of space, and I want to be able to work with some large models, databases and VMs, I need to plan ahead the next 5 years in terabytes. Ensuring enough storage headroom for potential future use takes the price to a level where it's a major commitment I'll have to stick with for years, so I decided to wait and see what comes out later this year instead. So count me as one of the potential M2 customers who was excited to get one, then after a long wait last year for the M2 MBPs to come out, and a long period of deciding which model to get after they came out, in the end decided to wait, with the unnecessarily soldered-in, non-upgradable SSDs being a factor in why. (I have some other doubts: When I tried in store, the keyboard on the M2 MBPs is not as nice to type on compared with the 2013 model, and the trackpad is annoyingly large, and prone to triggering tap-to-touch from my hands while typing, and click-to-touch is not my preference. But those aren't bad enough to affect my purchasing decision, as long as the M1/M2 processors are still well ahead of the rest.)
hbn 4y ago
Also people that didn't need to upgrade their machines upgraded anyway cause the M1 jump was so significant. I was supplied a decently-specced late-2019 16-inch i9 MBP for work when I started in mid-2020. Basically about the best Intel MBP that ever got released. Then the M1's came, I got a 14-inch base model M1 Pro (which I calculate to have cost about 1/2 the price work paid for my machine) and it runs circles around the work machine. I haven't run benchmarks or anything but in general performance, app startup time, even just how long it takes to redraw the desktop when I plug/unplug a monitor is night and day. The Intel -> Apple Silicon jump is significant, but if you bought a specced out M1 Max or something, there's not going to be a reason to upgrade for a while.
- muro 4y ago
  I had a similar i9 16'' MBP. Lasted 2h on video conference. New 14'' lasts about 9h. The Intel MBP tried to be too thin and failed at being a good laptop for work. It was still better than the previous generation with the garbage keyboard.
  - hbn 4y ago
    Yeah I'm glad I managed to just barely dodge the bad keyboard era of Macs. I generally use an external keyboard anyway (just Apple's Magic Keyboard) but for the times I do move away from my desk it's nice to type on a keyboard where you can actually feel the travel unlike those god forsaken butterfly switches.
- pg_1234 4y ago
  Actually, if you bought an entry level m1 Air, there's probably not going to be a reason to upgrade for a while.
- Maursault 4y ago
  > Also people that didn't need to upgrade their machines upgraded anyway cause the M1 jump was so significant. People keep perpetuating this myth, but the only significant jump in performance from x86 was with the Air. With all other models, it was always as Apple does with new models, and what we should have come to expect (yet we always expect more for some reason and there is always disappointment at the performance increases of new models), which is incremental performance improvements. What was amazing about M1 was that Apple switched platforms without missing a step. In general, the first M1 models where only incrementally more performant than the immediately previous x86 models they replaced, just like the M2 models are only an incremental improvement over the M1 models they replaced, and just like every new hardware release from Apple... a fractional step forward and never giant leaps and bounds. After all, that's probably impossible, as Apple's new hardware is always cutting edge at release (except for the 1999/2000 G4 tower fiasco when the processor speed actually went down for one release).
api 4y ago
I mega-splurged on the crazy M1 Max MacBook Pro and can't see needing to upgrade this beast for... a while.
- traveler01 4y ago
  Yeah truth be told I consider that Apple should've waited atleast another year for the M2 Max. Maybe improve it a little further since even the M1 Max it's way ahead of anything in the laptop market right now.

smni 4y ago

I’m still using a 15” MBP from 2012 for my personal computer! Waiting to see if a 15” MacBook Air gets released soon, as per the rumors.

taylodl 4y ago
Me too. I'll be looking at what gets released this year and decide to buy. I think it's safe to say after 11 years of daily, and rather extensive use, it's time to update! Problem is, it just continues to work so daggone well!
- macjohnmcc 4y ago
  The new models are so fast it's like magic compared to those older models. Even if they have SSDs.
- lancesells 4y ago
  I would say wait. If you're not stressed at work and the machine does what you want it to do then perfect! I usually get to aroun ~7 years before upgrade but 11 would be amazing.
mikhael28 4y ago
The Macbook Air that's out right now is like 13.6 inches. The screen is much better than the 2012 models, so with the resolution it will feel as big probably if not bigger.
- achow 4y ago
  As big as rumored 15" or as big as 2012 13"? Both does not make sense.
- qwytw 4y ago
  But the Air has a lower resolution than a 15inch 2012 MBP? 2880 by 1800 vs 2560 x 1664.
  - stefanfisk 4y ago
    I switched from a 15” Intel to a 14” M1. The screen is WAY better, but certainly somewhat smaller. As you note, pixels are still pixels.
mikhael28 4y ago
Cybersecurity dawg. Unless you are running Linux on it, you are at least 10x more at risk of a worm like penetration than something running a up to date OS.
- sam0x17 4y ago
  He's running the latest os lol
  - GolDDranks 4y ago
    The newest macOSes aren't available for HW that old. My 2015 MBP is already in the death row, update-wise.
    - shagie 4y ago
      It can run Catalina (10.15). That was getting support up until November 2022. While it is past its end of life, it isn't something that is half a decade out of support.
    - jlokier 4y ago
      Later versions of macOS can be installed on older hardware than is officially supported by Apple, by using OpenCore Legacy Patcher: https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/ https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/
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andylynch 4y ago
I have one of the too, it’s great but _might_ upgrade soon.
macjohnmcc 4y ago
Last year I upgraded from a early 2013 15" MBP to the 16" Max and it's like a whole new world. Way more storage and memory. I can imagine going from the same machine to the M2 would be amazing but from M1 to M2 not enough of a bump to pay the price.
- bdcravens 4y ago
  Last year I upgraded to an M1 Pro; this year a coworker took that machine and I bumped up to an M2 Max. I can't really tell a difference.
  - sliken 4y ago
    Not surprising. M1 pro -> m1 max = same number of cores at the same speed. So only if you are doing something CPU intensive and not cache friendly would you notice the memory bandwidth doubling. M1 generation -> M2 generation is a pretty small difference, not something you'd normally notice. In my experience unless using a stopwatch or running benchmarks folks don't usually notice improvements till they get into the 1.5 to 2x range.
JALTU 4y ago
I would be if the mobo hadn't died unexpectedly! Such a great machine and with 16 GB, worked fabulously. My work-provided 8 GB 13" MBP M1, OTOH, presents me with momentary SPODs at least twice a day.

insane_dreamer 4y ago

I have a 2017 model; other than replacing the keyboard (for free) I've been happy with it (also keyboard replacement ended up being a good thing as I got a whole new top-case with it for free). Would like to get an Mx but will probably wait until it does (I don't "need" to upgrade at this point, more like a "want").

mikhael28 4y ago
I feel the same way about my 16' i7 from 2019... but I also have an 14' M1 Pro for work, and if I didn't already have that, I would have definitely upgraded. It's just a much better machine, if nothing else from a battery life perspective. Twice as better, and that counts a lot for me.
- trinsic2 4y ago
  I can't understand why anyone would want to support a manufacturer that designs a configuration that has the storage an memory soldiered in.
  - pulvinar 4y ago
    Might be because it’s the “soldering in” that boosts its performance. So if you can plan ahead you come out ahead.
    - jlokier 4y ago
      That's true for the memory (RAM), but not the storage (SSD). Socketed SSDs are just as fast and almost as light as soldered, and there is no good technical reason why they shouldn't be upgradable for a long time. I'm in the market for a new Mac. I'm currently using a late 2013 15-inch Retina as my trusty friend. If the M2 Max came with socketed SSD I'd buy it today with the 96GB RAM and max spec in every other regard, despite the price being nearly double what I paid for my current machine 9.5 years ago. But because the SSD is soldered on, expensive and non-upgradable, and I'm always running out of space, and I want to be able to work with some large models, databases and VMs, I need to plan ahead the next 5 years in terabytes. Ensuring enough storage headroom for potential future use takes the price to a level where it's a major commitment I'll have to stick with for years, so I decided to wait and see what comes out later this year instead. So count me as one of the potential M2 customers who was excited to get one, then after a long wait last year for the M2 MBPs to come out, and a long period of deciding which model to get after they came out, in the end decided to wait, with the unnecessarily soldered-in, non-upgradable SSDs being a factor in why. (I have some other doubts: When I tried in store, the keyboard on the M2 MBPs is not as nice to type on compared with the 2013 model, and the trackpad is annoyingly large, and prone to triggering tap-to-touch from my hands while typing, and click-to-touch is not my preference. But those aren't bad enough to affect my purchasing decision, as long as the M1/M2 processors are still well ahead of the rest.)

hbn 4y ago

Also people that didn't need to upgrade their machines upgraded anyway cause the M1 jump was so significant. I was supplied a decently-specced late-2019 16-inch i9 MBP for work when I started in mid-2020. Basically about the best Intel MBP that ever got released. Then the M1's came, I got a 14-inch base model M1 Pro (which I calculate to have cost about 1/2 the price work paid for my machine) and it runs circles around the work machine. I haven't run benchmarks or anything but in general performance, app startup time, even just how long it takes to redraw the desktop when I plug/unplug a monitor is night and day. The Intel -> Apple Silicon jump is significant, but if you bought a specced out M1 Max or something, there's not going to be a reason to upgrade for a while.

muro 4y ago
I had a similar i9 16'' MBP. Lasted 2h on video conference. New 14'' lasts about 9h. The Intel MBP tried to be too thin and failed at being a good laptop for work. It was still better than the previous generation with the garbage keyboard.
- hbn 4y ago
  Yeah I'm glad I managed to just barely dodge the bad keyboard era of Macs. I generally use an external keyboard anyway (just Apple's Magic Keyboard) but for the times I do move away from my desk it's nice to type on a keyboard where you can actually feel the travel unlike those god forsaken butterfly switches.
pg_1234 4y ago
Actually, if you bought an entry level m1 Air, there's probably not going to be a reason to upgrade for a while.
Maursault 4y ago
> Also people that didn't need to upgrade their machines upgraded anyway cause the M1 jump was so significant. People keep perpetuating this myth, but the only significant jump in performance from x86 was with the Air. With all other models, it was always as Apple does with new models, and what we should have come to expect (yet we always expect more for some reason and there is always disappointment at the performance increases of new models), which is incremental performance improvements. What was amazing about M1 was that Apple switched platforms without missing a step. In general, the first M1 models where only incrementally more performant than the immediately previous x86 models they replaced, just like the M2 models are only an incremental improvement over the M1 models they replaced, and just like every new hardware release from Apple... a fractional step forward and never giant leaps and bounds. After all, that's probably impossible, as Apple's new hardware is always cutting edge at release (except for the 1999/2000 G4 tower fiasco when the processor speed actually went down for one release).

api 4y ago

I mega-splurged on the crazy M1 Max MacBook Pro and can't see needing to upgrade this beast for... a while.

traveler01 4y ago
Yeah truth be told I consider that Apple should've waited atleast another year for the M2 Max. Maybe improve it a little further since even the M1 Max it's way ahead of anything in the laptop market right now.