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C Rival 'Zig' Cracks Tiobe Index Top 50

45 points by Alifatisk 4y ago

Alifatisk 4y ago
Note, take Tiobes index with a grain of salt!
- karmakaze 4y ago
  At the same time of all program language indexes, I always thought of it as the most lagging or most established. For example 11. Delphi/Object Pascal 12. Assembly language 13. Classic Visual Basic (not even sure, 'regular' VB at #6) The top modern, non-ubiquitous language on the list is 19. Rust. For Zig to make #46 counts for some kind of exposure and momentum.
- IshKebab 4y ago
  More like a barrel of salt.
ksec 4y ago
And Ruby is about to drop off Top 20. There are a lot of Rails developers, DHH included are ( or were ) still in denial. It may not be dying, but it is definitely shrinking.
- Alifatisk 4y ago
  The trend is slowing for sure, It might be because other languages is raising and schools are not teaching Ruby anymore.
fabiospampinato 4y ago
I don't know why people put any stock in this index, the methodology seems flawed. They say that Ada's rating is double that of TypeScript, surely that doesn't reflect reality in the slightest?
- kortex 4y ago
  Tons of folks in industry use Ada, they just don't talk about it much (or are forbidden). Ada is the darling of USDOD, so there's untold LoC in missiles, fighter jets, and spy satellites.
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  - colechristensen 4y ago
    Yup i did some Ada work in a lockheed internship in college. Was for various things on a plane being sold to another country. Not classified but plenty of things around me were (of course nobody gave me any classified information but everybody walked around with their clearance level on their employee badge and the broad strokes of what other programs were isn’t classified, for example lots of F-35 work was being done in the building)
    - Rochus 4y ago
      Isn't the F-35 also famous for the fact that they used C++ (instead of Ada) for the software?
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  - lolinder 4y ago
    Based on what I understand of the rating methodology, though, I'm still very surprised that Ada beats TypeScript. My understanding is that it's basically a measure of search results, and I would expect TypeScript to have vastly more of those than Ada, given that most Ada applications aren't going to be publicly discussed. I suspect that it has to do with names—Ada is highly overloaded in ways that are adjacent to programming (ADA, Ada Lovelace) and is a short enough word that Google may ignore it. A naive search for `ada programming` turns up 896 million results, compared to 28 million for `typescript programming`
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klyrs 4y ago
Missing number from headline: 50
- davidjfelix 4y ago
  "'Zig' Cracks Tiobe Index Top 50" (it was #46)
kristoff_it 4y ago
Honestly I think this entry is not very interesting. It's not even a link to the thing itself, but rather to another webiste with (mostly low-quality) comments, neither of which IMO should be deserving of the front page.
- kukkukb 4y ago
  Oh, how the mighty Slashdot has fallen!
kaba0 4y ago
Daily reminder that TIOBE is beyond useless. Can we instead use something like sport leagues do, get some cute animal and make a ranking based on its decisions? That would be much more accurate.
- chomp 4y ago
  You are being needlessly dismissive. TIOBE has uses, especially comparing trends within a language.
Decabytes 4y ago
I know the Tiobe Index is flawed, but has anyone come up with a better solution?
- assimpleaspossi 4y ago
  What difference would it make. Does anybody really care? Does anybody remember the list after they leave this page?
  - mrtweetyhack 4y ago
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- kaba0 4y ago
  Job listing based metrics are much better, though still not perfect.
- timbit42 4y ago
  I would say the IEEE, RedMonk, StackOverflow, JetBrains, PYPL and Github rankings are all better than Tiobe, although they aren't perfect either. Which is better really comes down to what you're looking for.
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mometsi 4y ago
Some background on these ratings, quoted directly from their website: > TIOBE Software BV was founded the 1st of October 2000 by Paul Jansen. The name TIOBE stands for “The Importance Of Being Earnest”. > Since there are many questions about the way the TIOBE index is assembled, a special page is devoted to its definition. Basically the calculation comes down to counting hits for the search query +"<language> programming" > Popular search engines such as Google, Bing, Yahoo!, Wikipedia, Amazon, YouTube and Baidu are used to calculate the ratings.
- duskwuff 4y ago
  > Popular search engines such as Google, Bing, Yahoo!, Wikipedia, Amazon, YouTube and Baidu are used to calculate the ratings. This bit is partially inaccurate. They don't actually use Baidu, Yahoo, or YouTube because they can't parse a count of search results from those sites' search pages. They do, however, include the number of hits for "<language> programming" on the Amazon search page... as well as on eBay, microsoft.com (i.e. Microsoft's support pages), Walmart, and Etsy.
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45 points by Alifatisk 4y ago

Alifatisk 4y ago

Note, take Tiobes index with a grain of salt!

karmakaze 4y ago
At the same time of all program language indexes, I always thought of it as the most lagging or most established. For example 11. Delphi/Object Pascal 12. Assembly language 13. Classic Visual Basic (not even sure, 'regular' VB at #6) The top modern, non-ubiquitous language on the list is 19. Rust. For Zig to make #46 counts for some kind of exposure and momentum.
IshKebab 4y ago
More like a barrel of salt.

ksec 4y ago

And Ruby is about to drop off Top 20. There are a lot of Rails developers, DHH included are ( or were ) still in denial. It may not be dying, but it is definitely shrinking.

Alifatisk 4y ago
The trend is slowing for sure, It might be because other languages is raising and schools are not teaching Ruby anymore.

fabiospampinato 4y ago

I don't know why people put any stock in this index, the methodology seems flawed. They say that Ada's rating is double that of TypeScript, surely that doesn't reflect reality in the slightest?

kortex 4y ago
Tons of folks in industry use Ada, they just don't talk about it much (or are forbidden). Ada is the darling of USDOD, so there's untold LoC in missiles, fighter jets, and spy satellites.
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- colechristensen 4y ago
  Yup i did some Ada work in a lockheed internship in college. Was for various things on a plane being sold to another country. Not classified but plenty of things around me were (of course nobody gave me any classified information but everybody walked around with their clearance level on their employee badge and the broad strokes of what other programs were isn’t classified, for example lots of F-35 work was being done in the building)
  - Rochus 4y ago
    Isn't the F-35 also famous for the fact that they used C++ (instead of Ada) for the software?
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- lolinder 4y ago
  Based on what I understand of the rating methodology, though, I'm still very surprised that Ada beats TypeScript. My understanding is that it's basically a measure of search results, and I would expect TypeScript to have vastly more of those than Ada, given that most Ada applications aren't going to be publicly discussed. I suspect that it has to do with names—Ada is highly overloaded in ways that are adjacent to programming (ADA, Ada Lovelace) and is a short enough word that Google may ignore it. A naive search for `ada programming` turns up 896 million results, compared to 28 million for `typescript programming`
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klyrs 4y ago

Missing number from headline: 50

davidjfelix 4y ago
"'Zig' Cracks Tiobe Index Top 50" (it was #46)

kristoff_it 4y ago

Honestly I think this entry is not very interesting. It's not even a link to the thing itself, but rather to another webiste with (mostly low-quality) comments, neither of which IMO should be deserving of the front page.

kukkukb 4y ago
Oh, how the mighty Slashdot has fallen!

kaba0 4y ago

Daily reminder that TIOBE is beyond useless. Can we instead use something like sport leagues do, get some cute animal and make a ranking based on its decisions? That would be much more accurate.

chomp 4y ago
You are being needlessly dismissive. TIOBE has uses, especially comparing trends within a language.

Decabytes 4y ago

I know the Tiobe Index is flawed, but has anyone come up with a better solution?

assimpleaspossi 4y ago
What difference would it make. Does anybody really care? Does anybody remember the list after they leave this page?
- mrtweetyhack 4y ago
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kaba0 4y ago
Job listing based metrics are much better, though still not perfect.
timbit42 4y ago
I would say the IEEE, RedMonk, StackOverflow, JetBrains, PYPL and Github rankings are all better than Tiobe, although they aren't perfect either. Which is better really comes down to what you're looking for.

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mometsi 4y ago

Some background on these ratings, quoted directly from their website: > TIOBE Software BV was founded the 1st of October 2000 by Paul Jansen. The name TIOBE stands for “The Importance Of Being Earnest”. > Since there are many questions about the way the TIOBE index is assembled, a special page is devoted to its definition. Basically the calculation comes down to counting hits for the search query +"<language> programming" > Popular search engines such as Google, Bing, Yahoo!, Wikipedia, Amazon, YouTube and Baidu are used to calculate the ratings.

duskwuff 4y ago
> Popular search engines such as Google, Bing, Yahoo!, Wikipedia, Amazon, YouTube and Baidu are used to calculate the ratings. This bit is partially inaccurate. They don't actually use Baidu, Yahoo, or YouTube because they can't parse a count of search results from those sites' search pages. They do, however, include the number of hits for "<language> programming" on the Amazon search page... as well as on eBay, microsoft.com (i.e. Microsoft's support pages), Walmart, and Etsy.
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