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Paul Graham is an investor in the company trying to kill Twitter
- turnsout 4y agoElon’s genius strategy seems to be going great
- plagiarist 4y agoElon is accidentally benefiting free speech by doing his best to stop this single platform from moderating a majority of the discussion.
- StephenSmith 4y agoElon is an investor in the company trying to kill Twitter
- ISL 4y agoAs stated here, too: https://twitter.com/janiskirsteins/status/1644640924004220930?t=WVuCfz7bOKR0lTkyj-FJVw&s=19 https://twitter.com/janiskirsteins/status/164464092400422093...
- Raed667 4y agoWith all this, I'm 100% convinced that SpaceX and Tesla work despite musk and not because of him. Twitter isn't that lucky.
- wil421 4y agoI wonder if his over companies had a collective sigh of relief when he bought twitter knowing his attention would be on his new toy.
- samwillis 4y agoSpaceX and Tesla are both the type of company that needed a lot of money and a leader who has a "crazy" vision and is single minded about it. That is what Elon is (rich, "crazy" and single minded), thats why they were successful. They wouldn't have happened without that. Twitter didn't need either money or a crazy single minded leader... (Edit: this isn't meant to be taken as a compliment of his management style!)
- andrekandre 4y agoif true, i wonder, does spacex and tesla still need such a leader nowadays?
- samwillis 4y agoNo, certainly not Tesla, and I think the over investment in self driving cars is a result of him not stepping back soon enough. SpaceX is run incredible well by Gwynne Shotwell, she is responsible for the success of the Falcon launch business and Starlink. Without Elons mad visions and relentless need to keep moving Starship would not be happening, so maybe he is still important for that.
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- frognumber 4y agoThis is true. Elon swings wildly in the public image from genius to idiot and from superhero to supervillain. Very few opinions otherwise. Polarized as anything else.
- mschuster91 4y agoMusk is doing his best to polarize people against him all on his own. His public image is a direct result of his actions. Stuff like blazing a blunt in a podcast was legit funny, him calling a rescue diver a pedo was fucked up, but nowadays he's showing open disdain for democracy and its freedoms - he's making a clownshow out of "freedom of speech" (just try tweeting a substack link), openly shitting on the freedom of press (by not having media teams at all, banning critical media like Tesla did in Germany a few months ago, or by firing Twitter's PR team and replacing it by a poo-emoji autoreply) and personally had a bunch of high-profile fascists unblocked while antifascist accounts got the boot on the suggestion of people like "Catturd" or Andy Ngo. Not to mention his various run-ins with the law such as him ignoring direct SEC orders (the one where he was supposed to have someone else sign-off on tweets with stock market impact) or the shady stuff surrounding the German Tesla factory. He could have stayed in the public image selling expensive cars with weirdly sexual naming schemes (S-3-X-Y) and shooting rockets into orbit... but no, that amount of attention wasn't enough for him. It's all a direct result of his own actions.
- matthewdgreen 4y agoEventually he’ll get tired of losing money and hand over the reins and/or go bankrupt. Then someone smarter than him will move Twitter back towards its previous strategy, which was not perfect but at least made it a stable and workable place to have conversations. Then he can go back to Tesla and force them to build something even dumber than the Cybertruck.
- badloginagain 4y agoBut they haven't built any cybertrucks
- Avshalom 4y agothat doesn't mean he can't force them to build something dumber.
- y0ssar1an 4y agoCybertruck looks like it will be a great off-road truck and it took lots of manufacturing innovation to make it so cheap.
- schiffern 4y ago>SpaceX and Tesla work despite musk and not because of him Statistically it's pretty much impossible for this to be true. You're claiming that Elon effectively hit the business lottery twice, despite his success being less likely than average vs other leaders.
- DamonHD 4y agoAdding a large inheritance to your hand skews the odds somewhat... Also, odds are not all of destiny. Some crappy things keep winning despite those odds. [Edit: thanks for informative and interesting replies!]
- schiffern 4y ago>a large inheritance "A lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth puts on its shoes." This lie is very trendy, but YSK that Elon Musk did not receive a large inheritance. Until the age of 16 he was raised middle class supported by an Engineer salary, and then years later his father invested (ie not an "inheritance") $28k out of a $200k Zip2 round. If that size of 'large inheritance' really made such an enormous difference, then 50% of HN would be billionaires by now! Clearly there must be more going on in Elon's case.
- DamonHD 4y agoThanks for the numbers.
- ben_w 4y agoWhile it's definitely going to skew the odds, and by a lot, the sparsity of similar successful startups in those areas before him suggests that neither SpaceX nor Telsa were the kind of things that you can build with what he had from combined inheritance and PayPal cash-out. That said, I don't think there was much from those mines: https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/11/17/elon-musk-emerald-mine/ https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/11/17/elon-musk-emerald-min...
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- CPLX 4y agoI think people underestimate the degree to which people change with age, generally, and the really specific ways that people with WAY too much money and power change. He’s different person now. He’s always been fundamentally a bullshit artist but there were forces keeping that in check. That mattered.
- zabzonk 4y agoso which way are you predicting he is going to go? personally, i cannot see him getting MORE demented. oh well, perhaps i can. in 20 years time, i look forward to see a remake of citizen kane featuring musk. trouble is, no obvious orson welles on the horizon.
- fluidcruft 4y agoPerhaps the presence of Musk keeps protects the despite-Musk people at SpaceX and Tesla. I generally am not a huge fan of middle management so I can respect the terror. I've never really paid much attention to him, frankly. I was aware of SpaceX and Tesla. I was impressed watching the SpaceX launch over the pandemic. But I'm going to be quite clear about one thing: I had been considering a Tesla after recently moving to a place that has a lot of them and that also has a lot of charging infrastructure. But after seeing Musk's management of Twitter and finding out some of the things going on a Tesla regarding safety that sound like they are similar to Musk's management of Twitter, I will never, ever buy a Tesla or anything I find out Musk is involved with. That's just how it is. I don't see him or his stupid Twitter antics providing any value to me whatsoever.
- jeroenhd 4y agoThere are stories about how SpaceX and Tesla have a team of people working around the clock to manage Elon. They supposedly like the money and the image he brings to companies, but need to protect the companies from his influence. This would involve placing people in the office to act like he wants them to, instructing people to react in certain ways, and convincing him that he came up with the ideas these companies end up implementing. At first I thought this was just a silly internet meme hating on Musk, but now that he reigns over Twitter without a Musk-management team in place, I'm starting to think there may be some truth to that.
- Mountain_Skies 4y agoThere are stories about short sellers having teams who constantly post on social media and message boards negative stories about Elon Musk in hopes that it will make their investments in undermining the companies associated with him pay off. But hey, it must be true, as all stories about controversial people are when it reinforces one's need to see that person in a certain light for bias confirmation.
- moneywoes 4y agoSee any links?
- kelipso 4y agoThere is no possible way to verify the story unless they come out and admit it and publish reams of evidence along with it. So it's always going to be given that this fact is true, then that story is more likely to be true. Or given that this one thing is more likely to be true, then that story is more likely to be true. Saying something is true/false based on news stories is really silly since you can almost never verify the truth of that story. Always going to be more/less likely given this/that.
- schiffern 4y ago>They supposedly like the money and the image he brings to companies, but need to protect the companies from his influence. This "explanation" doesn't pass the smell test, because the chronology of cause-and-effect is inconsistent. Elon's companies get successful, which makes him famous... which explains how his companies were successful before he got famous?
- nvln 4y agoOver the past couple of months, I have developed a slightly generous take on twitter and Elon: - Being forced into buying twitter has pushed the company / him into absolute survival mode - Instinctive paranoia kicks in when you are in that mode to keep you on your toes - When you have seen outsized success and have a sycophant army, but no deep friendship, the paranoia brings in a me against the world mindset - All the people you alienate as a result of your paranoid action gang up, further affirming your paranoia. - The vicious cycle continues This lens explains most of his actions and has softened my view of Elon as a CEO trying his very best to keep the company afloat.
- mschuster91 4y agoParanoia or not, there is absolutely no justification for amplifying people like Kanye "I see good things about Hitler" West.
- nvln 4y agoAbsolutely not. It's just a lens that I found recently and thought it was interesting enough to share in this context. Not trying to justify or soften the actions or consequences.
- detourdog 4y agoI have always thought he considered twitter as UI for Starlink. Once the network is pervasive subscribe to twitter and your on the Starlink network and all it services. The way the purchase happened I think looks like one realized the timing wasn't right for the V2 satellites and tried to manage the cashflow.
- nvln 4y agoThat's a super interesting take.
- ohgodplsno 4y agoSome would say slightly naive take, really. - He wasn't forced into buying Twitter. He said he would, signed a contract that said he would, collected the money and said he would, then when attempting to back down while lying about just as well as a middle schooler justifying why he hasn't done his homework, was made to hold to his contract. - He put himself in that situation. - His sycophant army is his own doing. He has never, ever tolerated dissent, neither in his companies or in public. See: calling people pedophiles when told a sub is a shit idea, or his behavior known throughout Tesla, SpaceX and others. When the only way to stay in his companies is to be a yes man, don't be surprised when all you have are bootlickers. - It's not as a result of paranoid action, it's as a result of Musk being a downright cunt. This lens fails to see that Musk is doing so for a single reason: for the first time in his life of a billionaire, he's being held accountable and can't weasel his way out of trouble or into a cofounder position. Ain't life a bitch.
- mikeyouse 4y agoInteresting blind spot from PaulG last fall when he tweeted; https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1592852796185128961 https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1592852796185128961 It was never the (solely) the software that was going to kill Twitter, but a complete lack of understanding of the value proposition for literally any of the users.
- tootie 4y agoYeah I don't think another venture backed software company can solve this at all. The technical challenges behind hosting 140-character text snippets aren't huge. Obviously scale makes everything harder but the real challenge to this much user-generated content is moderation. And SV's juvenile obsession with libertarian values will just result in them reinventing 4chan over and over again. The next iteration of social media should be non-profit with explicit content guidelines that put safety and civility ahead of pure freedom. The platform has to be useable and enjoyable.
- scrollaway 4y agoElon's obviously much more of an idiot than a lot of people originally thought (myself included), but it doesn't really mean pg was wrong on this one. There's a lot of people out there who think they can run a company better than … well, anyone who has experience actually running companies.
- rainsford 4y agoI know that post and thread is sort of a joke, but investing in Twitter killing companies seems like a pretty good call right now. Twitter built up a lot of demand for that kind of service, and Elon seems to be doing his best to make a lot of those people seek out alternatives. I don't know if Substack is one of those direct alternatives, but I could see it drawing off demand for some of the reasons people use Twitter.
- scarface74 4y agoBen Thompson (Stratechery) said that Twitter couldn’t exist if it was created in todays environment. The chance of getting enough users to engage with something like Twitter in a world with Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok. Twitter couldn’t even make a profitable company.
- ChrisKnott 4y agoThere's space for a "classy" or "thinking person's" social media company - Substack could be that.
- basisword 4y agoSubstack is the platform for people who _think_ they're a "thinking person".
- a4isms 4y agoYes, just as every fashion company makes its money from people who think they would be really, really, really ridiculously good-looking if they wear these specific clothes. Selling aspirations is a pretty good business model.
- mydogcanpurr 4y agoYeah, and most people aren't thinking people, so it sounds like they have their market figured out.
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- gardenhedge 4y agoI don't really like Twitter but actively avoid clicking substack links
- Entinel 4y agoWhy? I don't "get" Substack but I don't see it as a thing to actively avoid.
- nyanpasu64 4y agohttps://friends.grishka.me/posts/530834 https://friends.grishka.me/posts/530834
- Entinel 4y agoI don't see it as any worse than pay-walled articles. They don't prevent you from reading the post.
- kgwxd 4y agoHalf of them that make it to HN front page are out of scope by the guidelines and the other half are flag worthy political garbage. Is it because Paul is invested that they’re allowed on the front page so much?
- wkat4242 4y agoI don't think so. The frontpage is simply showing what users voted on. If there's any manipulation at HN we'd have noticed a long time ago, because this is not an audience that's early fooled.
- kelipso 4y agoIt's basically public, anonymous voting where anyone can make an account. It's not hard to manipulate even for people who have access to the HN server and it's very difficult to detect even for people who have access to the HN server.
- jdorfman 4y agoThe irony is he shutdown Revue that directly competed with Substack.
- r721 4y agoRelated discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35490899 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35490899
- rifty 4y agoAlso: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35491935 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35491935
- primordialsoup 4y agoI like Substack. Obviously this situation is not good for Substack, but they should be proud that Twitter is scared of them.
- pictur 4y agoIs this one of those silly jokes the rich make among themselves?
- wodenokoto 4y agoI thought substack was a competitor to medium. Not really something that competes with Twitter.
- rs999gti 4y agoSubstack is fancy WordPress, how does it compete with Twitter? Wouldn't Facebook be more of a competitor?
- nvrspyx 4y agoThey're adding a Twitter-like feature. https://on.substack.com/p/introducing-notes https://on.substack.com/p/introducing-notes
- rs999gti 4y agoNevermind I see they are launching Substack notes
- byyll 4y agoFacebook isn't anywhere close to what Twitter is. Substack has launched something similar to Twitter recently.
- perihelions 4y agoOh great, a pg/Elon battle. Nothing could possibly go wrong with YC and HN attracting the obsessive fixation of that man.
- isoprophlex 4y agoYou know what HN needs? Doge spinner when loading threads.
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- aww_dang 4y agoPlenty of problems with Twitter. Vapid inanity, endless political bickering, and spicy takes for the sake of the spice. It is cringe inducing while being gawk-worthy. The problems are the features. I can sympathize with the love hate aspects. Definitely room to improve and disrupt, but substack is a different niche entirely. Elon hate is highly overrated. If Twitter were a profitable company before he bought it, his detractors would get better mileage out of their disdain. As it is now, it is hard not to see it as more of the same "endless political bickering" we love to hate.
- matthewdgreen 4y agoTwitter had a pretty substantial revenue before Musk bought it, but also had built up a huge/expensive organization (presumably in the hope of growing the user base.) A smart cost-cutting strategy could have easily made it profitable. Unfortunately Musk’s strategy wasn’t very smart: among other things he fired most of the ad sales team as well as the moderation and safety team, all of which tanked revenue. His current subscription plan has zero chance of making up for this lost revenue, let alone growing the user base, and this is before you get to the huge debt burden he piled on the company.
- jamal-kumar 4y agoIf he didn't make himself look like a manchild on every other post he makes on the site I might have retained some respect for the guy
- aww_dang 4y agoThat's the overall theme of Twitter in my view. He's playing to the audience. Short attention span, like and keep scrolling. Needs to be spicy for engagement. Totally inane. We can judge, but it doesn't make people less interested. Hard to square the above with pearl clutching over the new editorial position for content moderation.
- wkat4242 4y agoThat whole short attention span is why I've never even got into Twitter. The rare information actually worth reading is split in tens of posts each with their own thread attached. Which is really distracting. I'll be glad to see it go. Of course I don't have to read it but people often link to it.
- AraceliHarker 4y agoThe trouble with Twitter is that it never made much sense for businesses to advertise directly on it, when they could get more bang for their buck by creating clickbait topics to trend, or by enticing retweets with giveaways, or by unleashing hordes of bots to lure people to their own websites, if they were viral media. Rather than banning Substack or other social networks like Facebook or Mastodon used to do, they should have put a stop to the endless creation of bots from the start. Well, I suppose it will be interesting to see what happens next month, when bots become paid.
- solarkraft 4y agoHow can I invest in the company that's trying to kill Twitter?
- plagiarist 4y agoIt is harder to do so now that TWTR is no longer on the public market.
- HillRat 4y agoOh, that's easy -- Substack's raising on WeFunder (https://wefunder.com/substack https://wefunder.com/substack). Now, whether you want to put money into a company that hasn't shared a balance sheet or cash flow statement is another question. Putting money into Substack right now is probably as cash-destructive as putting money into Musk's Twitter purchase was then.
- wslh 4y agoIronically it seems Twitter is trying to kill himself either. My experience as a pay customer is... how can I say it? Ridiculous. I posted about one of such services in [1]. The closing of their APIs is along these ridiculous lines. I would say that a slight modification of the Peter Principle [2] applies to everyone, even Elon Musk. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35489580 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35489580 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle
- NotYourLawyer 4y agoSubstack is trying to kill twitter? News to me.
- jononomo 4y agoYes -- check out this announcement: https://on.substack.com/p/introducing-notes https://on.substack.com/p/introducing-notes
- badloginagain 4y agoI'm still on the fence about Substack. I'll have people I follow use Substack, the trick being after some amount of time their work becomes premium access only. On one hand, I suppose paying people for their insights is legitimate. On the other, I'm not paying for things I only have a passing interest in. I dunno, maybe if there were Substack credits, where I could unlock a premium article on an ad hoc basis. Kind of like Audibles subscription service. But that might cannibalize direct subscription. You could start eating Patreons lunch and have tiered premium levels for creators, incentivizing community building through Substack. Allows for both Substack premium subscription and creator subscriptions. In theory that sets you up to take on ever bigger platforms like YouTube and Twitch, getting creators to use Substack for their video/steaming content. Anyways, forgive my rambling, that's the monetization route I'd look into to have Substack be the only platform any creator needs.
- metalang 4y agoSubstack already does the tiered levels thing. It's pretty common to see people with the super expensive tier on the AstralCodexTen and SlowBoring blogs. They've also gotten into community-building. I know quite a few people IRL who subscribed to SlowBoring just to able to talk to other people they originally met via twitter there.
- CM30 4y agoBut will Substack actually manage it? Because to be 100% honest, Twitter has a crap ton of alternatives right now (Mastodon, Hive, Cohost, Post, etc), and none of them have come close to replacing it. Twitter may be a shitshow and not long for this world under Musk, but sadly it seems like none of its replacements have quite managed to take over as the online free for all town square. They've got their niches and audiences, but none of them have replaced it outright, and I'm not sure any of them will. Honestly, it feels like Twitter itself will be what kills Twitter, and that nothing will actually replace its role wholesale.
- turnsout 4y agoThe future is pluralistic, not monopolistic. There is no "one" Twitter replacement, and that is a very good thing. We need smaller communities that have different approaches to moderation, not One True Global Town Square.
- newsclues 4y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect
- turnsout 4y agoThe network effect also works at a smaller scale. There may not be much user benefit to having one billion random people on a platform vs 10,000 people with their interests.
- sgc 4y agoThe problem is discoverability. Social sites will always trend towards fewer major players, because people want to be heard. Tech like Mastodon, which tries to promote plurality, needs to deal with the discoverability mammoth in the room, or it will never seriously take off.
- turnsout 4y agoI think that's fundamentally a centralist mindset… It doesn't matter if Mastodon as a whole never attracts 1B people, as long as your instance is a thriving community. You may not want 100,000 people to "discover" your tight-knit Discord.
- woodruffw 4y agoThis is a serious question: in what sense does Substack compete with Twitter? The former (to my understanding) is a Medium-style blog host with some monetization functionality; the latter is a social network that was originally (but is no longer) advertised as microblogging. (This is before other, more basic criticisms of Substack, like that it seems to have really only had success with a small group of bloggers who I would pay money not to be exposed to.)
- jatinshah 4y agoTwitter influencers/thought leaders are the users that Substack would want to acquire and build their product around them.
- dragontamer 4y agoThis all occurred within the last 3 or 4 days. This is extremely fresh news. Substack announced "Substack Notes", which is obviously a Twitter clone. Then, Twitter has disabled likes and retweets of _ANY_ post mentioning "substack". Today: we are seeing the lines form of the Substack supporters vs Twitter supporters. Its no longer possible to host a blog on Substack and post links to that blog on Twitter. (Well... its "possible", but your links ain't gonna attract a lot of traffic without retweets or likes, so more like its pointless) So the bloggers using Substack are forced to choose.
- woodruffw 4y agoThis is all context I missed! Thank you.
- samwillis 4y agoTwo fold: - A significant fraction of Substacks growth has been popular Twitter users monetising their audience. Twitter should have build Substack, I think it's obvious that they will be launching an equivalent product as they become revenue focused. - Substack just launched "Substack Notes" which looks like a mini Twitter: https://on.substack.com/p/introducing-notes https://on.substack.com/p/introducing-notes
- mg 4y agoThe anti-substack techniques in Twitter's codebase seem to run surprisingly deep. I just noticed that when you try to search for "Substack", Twitter will search for "Newsletter" instead. I wonder why Twitter is so afraid of Substack in particular. Isn't Substack still tiny compared to Twitter?
- d23 4y agoProbably similar reasons to why they were so afraid of posting mastodon links. Musk thinks the way to get customers and love is to force them.
- tjpnz 4y agoHow does Twitter banning links to competitors reconcile with Elon's grand vision of being a digital public square for humanity, where people are encouraged to exercise free speech? I'm confused.
- mydogcanpurr 4y agoElon says and does whatever he thinks will benefit him. Full stop.
- a4isms 4y agoHe said himself “Freedom of speech, not freedom of reach.” Which is exactly the basis of the so-called “cancel culture:” You can say anything you want on a web site you own, but you don’t have the right to say anything you want on a privately-owned platform that has to think about its business model, about how it is perceived based on the reach they provide you, &c. Musk’s foundational approach is that he will decide who gets reach and who does not. And for myself, someone who identifies as anti-conservative, I’m ok with that. Let him refashion Twitter in Truth Social’s image, but having paid $40+ billion for its audience. Musk has decided that white supremacy gets reach, competitors do not get reach, news outlets that do not pay protection money for a check mark do not get reach, and people who like articles written on competing platforms do not get reach. That is perfectly fine with me. Let him play God-King, he bought it, he gets to do as he likes with it, provided he stays on the correct side of the law. I just wish he wouldn’t whine like a man-baby about advertisers kowtowing to the woke mob. He gets to decide whose reach to support for whatever reason he likes, so should they. He gets to make whatever business decision he likes, provided it’s legal. So should they.
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- frankjr 4y agoAs if Musk needs any help killing Twitter. He has actually already succeeded in my case. I'm mostly a lurker on Twitter and almost all the people I follow have left for other platforms or barely tweet anything these days. A huge difference from just months ago.
- labrador 4y agoFull disclosure: I also oppose Elon Musk by argument, meme and by not giving him any money because I think he's a menace to democratic society and wish he'd return to his native South Africa to enjoy the good life there.
- jononomo 4y agoIf Matt Yglesias leaves Twitter for Substack notes, then I expect that move alone would reduce Twitter's traffic by 2-3 percent. https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1644499243867029504?s=20 https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1644499243867029504?... Matt is one of the most prolific posters on Twitter, and he has a massive following among journalists and the DC elite. If 5-6 other major Twitter personalities follow him then it'll be a severe body blow to Twitter. If 50-60 other major Twitter personalities follow him, then... well, everyone is just going to migrate to Substack Notes.
- ck2 4y agoAll you need is a good product name and some paid "influencers" to use it exclusively and you should be able to get traction. I thought "BlueSky" had a chance but it seems dead now https://blueskyweb.xyz/blog https://blueskyweb.xyz/blog
- lrae 4y agoBluesky was never alive (so far), was it? They have like 6k registered users and are very stingy with invites.
- rvz 4y agoSubstack failed to convince existing VCs to raise more capital last year since everyone knows that they are losing tons of money, hence why they ran to 'raising' money to 'retail' investors via crowdfunding. The giant red flag in that is their 2022 financial report is non-existent! This fundraising isn't what it seems and most likely looks like an existing VC may be trying to get out of their position in Substack. Perhaps Substack will turn around somehow to be an actual serious viable competitor to Twitter some day, unlike the other alternatives who have failed to challenge Twitter. But at the moment, the bigger Substack gets, the more money they lose which is the harsh truth.
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- 0xDEF 4y agoBoth Substack and Twitter are "absolute free speech" spaces that allow hateful vile content. From Elon Musk's perspective Substack is therefore the only credible threat to twitter.
- ctvo 4y agoOh Paul. I still remember when you were part of the crowd cheering on Elon to purchase Twitter. I still remember when you suggested Twitter could be duplicated in a month by a "good" engineering team (like that was all there is to it). When will people stop paying attention to Paul Graham.
- dangerwill 4y agoWell not to be a jerk but hackernews is the ycombinator forum and ycombinator was co-founded by Paul Graham. I don't think this forum will ever stop paying attention to him, but maybe we can hope that hackernews ceases to be the preeminent tech forum on the english speaking web. The moderation goal of promoting constructive discussion over partisan politics seems (to me) to be eroding as a lot of these mid 2010s SV tech founders get radicalized