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I don't want streaming music, I just want to stream my music
- d--b 4y agoQuick memory check: Wasn't there a time when you could upload files you bought to your spotify library if Spotify didn't have the rights to broadcast them?
- 50 4y agoyou've probably tried the doppler music player[1], right? i free-trialed doppler a month or so ago and i quite liked it 1. https://brushedtype.co/doppler/ https://brushedtype.co/doppler/
- cdme 4y agoI have! And I quite enjoy it — I just wish I didn't have to account for the storage locally, but it's a very compelling option.
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- qup 4y agoI saved this comment a long time ago because I want to do the same thing. I haven't tried it yet: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28914331 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28914331
- nouryqt 4y agoI use navidrome[0], its a music streaming server you can selfhost and then use a player that supports the subsonic api for playback. I use the strawberry[1] music player on my desktop and substreamer[2] on android. Navidrome can also scrobble your music to last.fm if you tell it to. The actual music files are mounted with rclone and --vfs-cache-mode full to a directory. [0] https://www.navidrome.org/ https://www.navidrome.org/ [1] https://github.com/strawberrymusicplayer/strawberry https://github.com/strawberrymusicplayer/strawberry [2] https://substreamerapp.com/ https://substreamerapp.com/
- MVorlm 4y agoAs someone currently running a Navidrome instance with 40k songs...yeah, I wouldn't wish that on anyone(horrible performance), but it is an option I suppose.
- MikusR 4y agoI run navidrome on raspberry pi 4 with 160000 songs and no slowdowns in web or symfonium
- Liquix 4y agowhere do you notice performance suffering? hosting a 30k+ track navidrome library on a modest server and haven't noticed any slowdowns
- MVorlm 4y agoIn two places. The web client takes _minutes_ to load the artist page. It's slow enough that I get the Firefox warning stating that the page is slowing down Firefox. The web client (seemingly) doesn't load the song/tracklist in chunks and attempts to load every song at once(at least on the artist page). The second issue isn't specifically a "Navidrome" problem, but every iOS and Mac desktop client I've used(and I've tried _every_ one that Navidrome lists on their site) attempts to load every song on load and basically becomes unusable. I'm about two notches away from writing my own music streaming server. Navidrone is barely functional for me...and falls under software I hate, but there are no better options.
- nntwozz 4y agoHave you tried Supersonic? https://github.com/dweymouth/supersonic https://github.com/dweymouth/supersonic
- leemailll 4y agoI have no such issues using Navidrome (docker image from linuserver.io) with 150k songs. On the client i use sonixd which also have no problem running. It might be something on your server
- gigel82 4y agoI use Navidrome (https://www.navidrome.org/docs/getting-started/ https://www.navidrome.org/docs/getting-started/). Works great for my needs; on iOS I have the "play:Sub" app but it will work with any Subsonic clients, or just a web browser.
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- ThrowawayTestr 4y agoEmby can stream without a subscription. But why does the author hate algorithms so much? Spotify has great recommendations.
- yesco 4y ago>Spotify has great recommendations. For some people Spotify absolutely does not have good recommendations, at least that has been my experience
- cdme 4y agoMy favorite band's presence on streaming consists of a greatest hits compilation (and I believe the same is true of their back catalogue on digital stores). I have their CDs but they've also retired so I imagine they'll never have a meaningful digital/streaming presence. Any recommendations from streaming services have a blind spot for them.
- ThrowawayTestr 4y agoYou gotta work with the algo. Sometimes if you only listen to one genre for a while it gets stuck in a rut. It does get annoying when it keeps playing the same song I've only listened to once and then skipped every other time.
- Hasu 4y agoI'm not sure about other people, but I hate Spotify's recommendations, and I think it's because my unit of music discovery is albums, not tracks. The Daily Discovery playlist is just randomly selected tracks, and I can't even listen to that. It's too scattered and doesn't go deep enough. The old Discover tab/page was amazing for finding new albums, but they killed it for some reason.
- amoss 4y agoPerhaps this is more what you are looking for: throw together a playlist with a particular "vibe". Doesn't have to be large, 5-10 tracks works fine. Either switch on enhanced and look at the suggestions, or use the separate section for suggested additions at the bottom. Add the ones that fit the vibe, reject the rest. Repeat. I've found that it mines niches particulary well and discovers new tracks much more effeectively than the pre-canned discover playlists, or daily suggestions.
- ggm 4y agoI paid for plex, I stream my own music from anywhere via the callback into my home net. I can chromecast, play in-car, whatever. If I have IP "it just works" Its backed on an RPI-4 NAS I built, running the plex arm linux code. I have another RPI-3 in the living room as a headless music source to an amp. In the past I've used HDMI to VGA+audio splitters to scatter output to devices. This is my music, on my disks, under my control. I own these rips, the bits are mine. I keep the discs behind them on the shelves just in case but I haven't opened a CD case in nearly a decade. Plex isn't perfect, but its pretty good. plexamp is available when you take subscription, and periodically plex offer lifetime buy deals, which I leapt on. Jellyfin is [edit: not - it's from emby] another variant of the same codebase (forked) I also paid for tidal. I don't like these music rental schemes, I like to own my CDs and rip but for exploration, finding what you don't know, its really useful and unlike some of the other choices, its owned by musos. I think at some level its still greenwashing the truly awful world of A&R/IPR on music, but if anyone has to get payola here, it might as well be musicians.
- endigma 4y agoJellyfin is an emby fork, not Plex.
- ggm 4y agoAh my bad. Apologies. It's mentioned so often in writeups of plex I got their origins mixed up.
- christoph 4y agoJellyfin is excellent. Swapped to it from Plex about a year ago. Haven't looked back once. I run the server on an old M1 Mac Mini, it's the first time I've felt I have my own personal Netflix. I can stream 40gb 4k HDR Atmos rips to old stereo 1080p plasmas with ancient Firesticks (on wifi) in bedrooms in my house with almost zero delay, even when fast forwarding, and getting near realtime frame previews as you skip. It's lovely software.
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- Gualdrapo 4y agoI guess storing my music in my PC hard drive and playing from it makes me look like a caveman.
- techsupporter 4y agoI like this method as well but boxing up my computer and carrying it around with me is a little unwieldy. Plus, the headphone cable is really short and if I move my head too quickly it gets yanked out of the back.
- m463 4y ago> is a little unwieldy https://duckduckgo.com/?q=boombox+on+shoulder&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images https://duckduckgo.com/?q=boombox+on+shoulder&iar=images&iax...
- blondin 4y agonot at all. same here.
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- squarefoot 4y agoSame here, from the home NAS, through both NFS and SMB shares.
- rolenthedeep 4y agoIt's certainly an option, but it lacks the flexibility most people have come to expect. Storing your media locally is fine, but you only have it when you're physically at your machine. To go portable you have to manage syncing files to an external device. Now you've got two libraries to manage. Yes, we lived with this kind of thing since digital music existed, but it was a pain then and it's a pain now. Keeping one centralized library that any device can play from means less effort required to maintain the library. Plus I can play my music in the car from my phone and never have to hear an annoying radio ad again.
- hydrogen7800 4y agoI have plex server running on my NAS, but started running Jellyfin and the Gelli app from f-droid to do this. Plexamp seemed like a great option, too, but it's hard to beat foss. Edit: I do love Spotify, however, since I've been able to listen to so much more music than ever, but I resent that they can, and have, pulled music from their selection.
- qbasic_forever 4y agoAmazon used to offer exactly that kind of service. You could upload your own music files or get them automatically when your purchased an album (digitally or physically), then play them from a web player or locally installed client app. It worked great, so of course they killed it and now you can only listen to music they license/allow streaming.
- slickdork 4y agoGoogle music had the system to same upload your own music for a while.
- TylerE 4y agoDidn't that get killed because they weren't actually storing a copy for each user, and it got them in copyright trouble?
- rtpg 4y agoI can still buy mp3s off of Amazon and download them. Maybe this is dependent on the country?
- qbasic_forever 4y agoThis was different, Amazon allowed you to upload any of your own music and stream it from them. You didn't have to buy the music from them, it could have been old mp3s you downloaded from Napster ages ago for example.
- smeagull 4y agoI stopped listening to music entirely when Grooveshark up and died. There's probably entire bands that I've forgotten because I relied entirely on their playlists.
- hamilyon2 4y agoWhat about mounting an SMB drive?
- pessimizer 4y agoAlways seemed as simple as that to me, but I've also never understood the need for specialized NAS software. And all I want out of NAS hardware is a box with a bunch of bays and a board with a bunch of ports/slots. That being said, if you're trying stream your collection on the road (over your phone/at work/on a trip) it has to get more complicated than that. I'm not putting my shares on the public internet without a secure intermediary in some sort of streaming server. I used Gnump3d for that many years ago, but simply have settled for the 200 gigs of music on my phone's SD card since. I can't consider living with only 200 gigs of music such a hardship that I would be willing to set a new, possibly insecure thing up. edit: Aiming ports towards the internet has been a job for me off and on, and the responsibility for keeping things updated yet also protecting against the new dangers potentially presented by each new update is something that I need a significant reward for.
- ryandrake 4y agoYea, a networked Linux box serving an NFS mount has worked perfectly for me for a good 20 years. Never felt the need for anything more complicated. Works for movies, too.
- tcoff91 4y agoYouTube music supports uploading your music library to it.
- cbeley 4y agoThis post made me wonder whether they quietly removed the feature. It's still there though. All my uploaded music from the Google music days is still there and there is still an option to upload new stuff. It's not as well-integrated as it use to be in the Google Music days though.
- stolenmerch 4y agoExactly right. I'm very confused by all this because I literally stream music from friends and local bands that I've uploaded to my personal YouTube Music account.
- zerovox 4y agoIt's incredibly painful to do this with a large library, as they've stopped supporting the desktop uploader. It's all drag-and-drop uploads, so it's not easy to keep it in sync with a folder of music. Also the playback experience is painful and uploaded files are poorly supported across devices like Google Home, where it constantly wants to do playlists or mix in other music. I'm not sure Google Home even supported playback of uploads, though I abandoned the service shortly after the Play apps went away.
- rolenthedeep 4y agoI use Jellyfin, it's about the same thing as Plex, but free. I host it on my homelab along with a half dozen other services, and I can stream any of my media from anywhere. There's even pretty nice third-party clients. I use finamp on android, it's specifically a music player frontend for jellyfin, and has options to download your files and play offline. So far, the biggest problem is simply learning how to find music again. Spotify was too convenient for discovery. But, I've been happily streaming my collection for a couple of months now, and removing Spotify and the radio has gotten rid of most of the last remaining advertising vectors in my life. It's nice. I very much enjoy knowing that I own and control my media and the data about my usage of it. There will never be ads or a creepy business model. If something goes wrong and knocks the server offline, I have my music cached on my phone. I wish this were more accessible to everyone. Setting up a public-facing server, or even a private one with a VPN tunnel is too much hassle for the average person. It's so very worth it though. Owning your own services is so liberating
- VonGuard 4y agoWould you believe that SoulSeek is still a thing? It is. P2P 4evah.
- Minor49er 4y agoYou can find damn near everything on Soulseek. It can't be beaten
- alt227 4y agoSoulseek seems to be still around because it was adopted by serious music lovers who are also techies. Browsing the libraries of some of the users on there can be breathtaking as to the size of libraries and amount of care in curating and categorising them. I dont think anything bette came along so people are just still there sharing their libraries.
- runsonrum 4y agoI also use Jellyfin along with an Android app call Synfonium. It has heaps of customisation and works with many media providers including Emby, Plex, Subsonic etc. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=app.symfonik.music.player https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=app.symfonik.m...
- pfffft 4y agoIn the article he mentions using Meta for batch editing mp3 tags. Is anyone aware of similar applications for PC? Suggestions appreciated
- rtpg 4y agoPicard lets you fix up mp3 tags nicely
- pfffft 4y agoLooks good thanks for the tip
- anuvrat1 4y agoEasy to use CLI tool https://beets.readthedocs.io/en/stable https://beets.readthedocs.io/en/stable
- haddonist 4y agohttps://www.mp3tag.de/en/ https://www.mp3tag.de/en/ is a standalone batch tag editor
- jsd1982 4y agofoobar2000
- pfffft 4y agoUnfortunately foobar seems to have a hard time with some albums using freedb. It is an excellent application tho I'm always happy to see people mention it.
- huimang 4y agoOne of my hobbies is buying used CDs on discogs or from my local record store and ripping them with ExactAudioCopy. I use Picard (gui) and metaflac (CLI) to manually edit the tags. For each album's comment I try to put the artists involved and the album liner notes, if any. For a web player, Navidrome is excellent. I use the play:Sub iOS app to access it on my phone and stream to my apple tv, which is connected to my audio stack. I also stream to my bose color link II bluetooth speakers. I also subscribe to apple music via the family apple one plan. Generating a station based on a song usually leads to decent results, at least for jazz.
- berkle4455 4y agoOne of my hobbies in a past life was downloading high-quality rips from what.cd
- huimang 4y agoThat's how I got into CD ripping - in order to build ratio for what.cd. It no longer exists but if you search around there are other similar sites.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y agoYep. Yardsales. Offer to buy their box of random CDs for $20 or so and they'd usually take it. I own a lot of CDs now.
- jwrallie 4y agoTechnical aspects aside, I don't see how it can compete in cost comparing with something like Spotify. If you host it by yourself and pay for the rights of the music, I can see it costing more than 10 times for the same content.
- jacquesm 4y agoStorage is dirt cheap and I already ripped my CD collection more than a decade before Spotify started up. Besides that half the stuff I have isn't on Spotify to begin with.
- TylerE 4y agoI mean, if you listen to the same few old things over and over again, sure. I listen to dozens of new releases a month...and that's not even counting back catalog.
- bsnnkv 4y agoChiming in as a happy Plex lifetime pass user, using it for my FLAC music library as well as other media. I do however, still maintain a Spotify account for primarily non-English music, especially new releases, which seem incredibly difficult to find anywhere else.
- waboremo 4y agoI find that iTunes has the largest access to non-English music, making it very easy to find and buy (compared to having to import the album or single and ripping it), even easier than pirating for a lot of these albums which get zero support outside of hyper niche and exclusive trackers. The only real downside is navigating iTunes is a huge pain these days. Trying to explore the sub-genres they used to have kicks you back to the main store page. So you have to know which artist/album you're looking for. It's a shame it's been so abandoned.
- ProAm 4y agoThis is why I had to return my iPhone and go back to Android, there was no possible way to get my music library onto my phone with a linux computer. The only way it seems to work is if you have a Mac or Windows PC and iTunes. Not everything is available in a company's streaming catalog, even if you pay for it.
- nntwozz 4y agoYou can self-host something like Navidrome/Ampache and use a subsonic app like Amperfy https://github.com/BLeeEZ/amperfy https://github.com/BLeeEZ/amperfy and download your whole library (or cache as you go along playing tracks).
- agersant 4y agoFor the simplest use cases, I can plug Polaris[1] which I have been maintaining for many years. Pros: - Very reliable - Very performant - Works well with large collections - Trivial setup - FOSS Cons: - Small featureset - Infrequent updates - No official iOS client (there is a third party client however) [1]: https://github.com/agersant/polaris https://github.com/agersant/polaris
- jacquesm 4y agoUse mpd and call it a day. https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/hiy7gs/guide_to_using_mpd_for_whole_house_audio_and/ https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/hiy7gs/guide_to...
- jrm4 4y agoI'd recommend mstream over mpd big-time. MPD is the curse of choice.
- rekado 4y agoI'm also out of touch, and so naturally I use mpd on my little home "server" (Guix System on rockpro64). It serves me well, though sometimes I wished for a more convenient way to tag or rate music.
- jacquesm 4y agoI've built a whole UI around it that does that. But it's old and insecure, if you want it I can fish up an installable copy but you'd have to isolate it from the internet.
- heavyset_go 4y agoI just run Jellyfin behind WireGuard and connect to it to stream music. Works well enough for me.
- germinalphrase 4y agoAny recommendations for a Best-Bang-For-Your-Buck NAS?
- freetonik 4y agoRaspberry Pi 4 + USB SSD drive + OpenMediaVault. Been using this setup for a long time, it replaced a Synology NAS for me.
- pnw 4y agoRoon: a very promising service, but one geared more towards the audiophile audience and with hardware requirements I'm not interested in investing in at this point. If you've spent all of the time and effort to put your audio collection on local storage that's also encrypted and mirrored, you are the audiophile audience! Roon is a great option. I don't really understand OP's objection? Roon supports over 800 different playback devices in addition to software so it's pretty unlikely you don't already have something that supports it.
- heleninboodler 4y agoRoon seems very expensive for a service where I provide the actual disk space for the music.
- foolwhofollows 4y agoTheir main USP IMO is their catalogue and their multi-room support. The catalogue is a work of art - incredibly detailed information about every artist and album, lyrics for most. I know a lot of other streaming services have good info about the things in their catalogue but, as has already been mentioned, these catalogues are volatile where Roon's catalogue doesn't carry the risk of being pruned at any time.
- diblasio 4y agoI also got stuck on that same part. I'm just going to guess they thought there was a requirement to run the Roon server on a Nucleus (the premium hardware they sell to host Roon). I personally run mine on my NAS in a docker container and it's been running great for years.
- TeMPOraL 4y ago> If you've spent all of the time and effort to put your audio collection on local storage that's also encrypted and mirrored, you are the audiophile audience! There are two main meanings of the word "audiophile". It can describe 1) a person whose music playing experience involves more than just the default music player app that shipped with their phone, and/or iTunes, and/or Spotify. It, much more commonly, also describes 2) a person who buys diamond-coated gold CAT-6 Ethernet cables, because they make the zeroes rounder and the ones straighter as the bits travel from their computer to their $2000 preamp, tuned to inject noise that makes the music sound just right. OP is definitely 1), but I think they also want to make sure they're not confused with 2).
- Mistletoe 4y agoI’m the complete opposite. My own music bores me to tears and makes my stomach hurt because I’ve listened to it so many times. Spotify’s Discover Weekly changed my life. Nothing else compares.
- throw7 4y agoyou can upload to youtube music (100,000 song limit though). the interface sucks (SO much worse than google music which google killed) and is filled with dark patterns. https://support.google.com/youtubemusic/answer/9716522?hl=en https://support.google.com/youtubemusic/answer/9716522?hl=en
- adra 4y agoI finally found a good enough replacement for Google Music in koel. It's a tiny server that runs in a docker container and it does anything that I cared about, which admittedly isn't overly complicated.
- chunk_waffle 4y ago+1 for Koel
- pdntspa 4y agoWe had this with Google Music, it was awesome. It even had a linux client for backing up your music!
- tastysandwich 4y agoOh man I thought I was the only one who still had a carefully curated digital library... I threw out my CDs a long time ago, but my digital library is my baby. I've been curating this since I was 10. It's who I am! Most of the time, you only need to listen to music on your phone or your computer, right? My main collection (mostly FLAC) is on a NAS with RAID. But then I've got some scripts that maintain a copy of that collection, except converted to MP3 at a variable bitrate [1]. I just store the entirety of it on my phone. It's 107GB. Adding a new album to my phone is as simple as using a SMB app to copy from my NAS. Now when I'm stuck in traffic under a tunnel, or driving through the country, my music keeps playing! [1] - a variable bitrate (VBR) keeps a smaller file size but pretty decent sound quality. it just lowers the bitrate when there's silence or simple sounds, where a high bitrate isn't required.
- TacticalCoder 4y ago> Oh man I thought I was the only one who still had a carefully curated digital library. I totally do too. And we're not alone. I not only ripped all my old CDs to FLAC (which I use both as archive/backup and source) but I still buy CDs. Nobody want CDs anymore, so I just buy them used. And then I rip them. And then the CDs go into a box in the garage/shed. My car doesn't take FLAC files but it's got its own storage so I convert the FLAC to 320 kbps MP3s. I don't bother "streaming" from my phone (which I rarely have with me anyway): the music is directly in the car's SSD. At home I play the FLAC files directly.
- dawnerd 4y agoPlus there’s still tons of older albums not on streaming services. I’m big on older theme park soundtracks and many of them never made it to digital officially. In fact I just paid over 130 bucks for a cd.
- LarryDarrell 4y agoI do roughly the same thing, but I use Syncthing. I always had trouble keeping my phone connected reliably enough to run a long running script, and Syncthing works well. I have a 1TB sdcard in my phone that has a mirror of my 600GB+ library. I use Foobar2000 on my phone because it's easy to just pin my Music folder from the filesystem and navigate through the folders. Just about every other music player out there seems to be designed around importing tags into a library, which I don't like.
- ac2023 4y agoI used to be very much into music and can appreciate your efforts. You seem to have a novel solution. Maybe you can refine it and turn it into some sort of online service or consulting business.
- https443 4y agoI use "DS Audio", the web/native app that comes with Synology home NAS. It works pretty well. Probably not as well as Plex or Jellyfin. Has anyone used both?
- mmcclure 4y agoI came here to say this as well. Synology's Video Station app is also decent. Both of them are surprisingly good in a lot of ways, but also...kind of ugly. Not enough so to not use them, but I wish these two apps had the same UI polish that some of the other first-party Synology apps have.
- zeckalpha 4y agoNapster claims to be able to do this: > Transfer your music library Bring all your music with you! Sign up for free and transfer your music to Napster today from another streaming service.
- brunoqc 4y agojellyfin + symphonium (offline and android auto)
- trfflhntr 4y agoSonos will stream from my local iTunes cache, which is mostly made up of imported CDs from “ancient days”.
- at_a_remove 4y agoYes. I am about to embark upon Phase I of the Great Ripping. I'm not sure how it will go. (If anyone knows how to get an disc autoloader like the Nimbie NB21 or its ilk to play nice with Exact Audio Copy, let me know) But I am faced with an even more interesting challenge: trying to do this for my mom and one of my ... technically-challenged friends. What I want for them is something like a Roku app that they can pick out some section of music that I've partitioned off or ripped for them and just let it go. My mom would like a Motown station and some Noisy Nineties as well; my friend would dig on the alternative eighties and probably a custom "ethereal" station with a hint of darkwave. Sure, I can rip 'em. Got a Python script that will transcode to high-end MP3s and renormalize the audio. But the part where I attach some directory and its files, or a playlist, or whatever, to something easy regular people can just navigate to, click click click, this seems to be kind of an interesting challenge. And for me, I don't want to listen to, as Pictures for Sad Children would be paraphrased "Whatever is on Spotify ... played at a reasonable volume." I have some very rare, very weird stuff I would like to listen to at times. Rather than worry about licensing games, well, I'd like to listen to what I have. It isn't trivial, by any means.
- computerdork 4y agoI know the OP said iTunes Match wasn't working for him because iTunes would change his meta data, but I use it for streaming my own and purchased content (works great) and also have changed the meta data on a bunch of albums. It works really well 99% of the time. Yeah, he is right that for some albums, iTunes does mess up my meta data, but at least for me, it's the exception instead of the rule. Would prefer to use a different solution than that from a huge corporate behemoth, but it works so well, isn't really worth it for me to switch.
- acomjean 4y agoIt works pretty well, I use it but its not a great experience navigating and searching on the iphone. I like to shuffle, then jump to an artist album if I come across one I haven't heard in a while. You think clicking the artists name would bring you to the artist, but it brings you the album, then there is no way to get to all music by that artist. Its not great. Searching seems to be a random chance it will show you "Apple music" and offer a subscription, even though I've turned that off in the preferences.. My time is short, I only have one mac left to load music onto the cloud service.
- zerovox 4y agoI used to use iTunes Match. It'll change more than just metadata, I've had instances where album tracks were swapped out for their clean versions. I've dropped it in favor of a self hosted version I can ensure won't muck with my music.
- jrm4 4y agoGenerally, I hate the experience of streaming from a service. Occasionally to discover, but youtube's good enough for that. For me, the greatest unsung innovation was the car USB player. That took it from the 10 CD's or so to basically whatever I want, however I want. As for streaming my music, I was an MPD user for years, but the client/server experience was often fiddly. Once I discovered mstream (one very good web interface, no client/server separation, honors folders) I never had to look back. https://mstream.io/ https://mstream.io/
- dreamcompiler 4y ago> For me, the greatest unsung innovation was the car USB player. That took it from the 10 CD's or so to basically whatever I want, however I want. Amen. I only need my music on my phone with earbuds, and in the car. So I copied it all to a 128GB USB stick, which sounds better and is less finicky than bluetooth. If I add a new song or album to the master library on my computer, I just pull the USB stick and rsync it. The only problem is the Tesla USB music player has a terrible UI, but I set it to play random songs from my library and that's usually good enough.
- l72 4y agoBut some of the car USB players are so terrible. My 2012 Buick doesn't allow navigating by artist then by album. It's either top level artist or top level album. It also ignores the track numbers and plays songs in alphabetical order! It is completely useless.
- jrm4 4y agoA lot of truth to that; sometimes it takes a little work to figure how to "game" them by knowing how to your particular one handles tags. Mine (Toyota Entune) generally handles albums correctly, but if I want a custom list of songs that doesn't clutter things, I'll just retag them on the USB with an id3 editor, e.g. give them all the same "artist" and "album."
- Brendinooo 4y agoPlexamp is so good it essentially makes me forget every gripe I have with Plex. So glad I paid for a lifetime pass, now I can just enjoy it.
- ranprieur 4y agoI still use an old Sansa Clip mp3 player, filled with whatever self-made playlists I'm listening to. But it's nice to know about Plex.
- wldcordeiro 4y agoIt's funny Youtube Music was mentioned because Google Play Music was actually great for listening to your music and having a curated library of stuff you uploaded along with the music on the service. When they killed that in favor of Youtube Music I noticed the "library" experience there is seemingly intentionally hobbled. The artist page is sorted by the "artist" field not "album artist" and then on top of that instead of using a nicer page[0] they use a playlist view of all their songs. Additionally the library view is intentionally split with a "uploads" and "library" tab unlike in Google Play Music where it would provide a nice shared experience with the nicer artist pages as well. [0] https://music.youtube.com/channel/UCdrA9E1ir8pDttg7vTqrSxQ https://music.youtube.com/channel/UCdrA9E1ir8pDttg7vTqrSxQ [1] https://i.imgur.com/DTken2N.png https://i.imgur.com/DTken2N.png
- midwesternerer 4y agoYouTube music is awful. I hate how everything is organized. Is it even possible to search your library? I haven't figured out the actual point of adding anything to your library because searching takes you to all available options every time. And it is never sorted the way you want. For example, if you search an artist, you get their top three albums, but then you have to click into it and search for the one album you want to listen to. I'd rather the top three albums be the ones I have in my library, not their most popular current albums. I don't listen to as wide of variety of music as I did in college and I think a lot of that is yt music makes search so difficult that I can't get to any stuff in have not listened to recently. I remember thinking how disappointed I was when I moved from Microsoft's Zune to play music. Now I'd be happy just to get play music back
- midwesternerer 4y agoOh, I just figured out how to search my library. But I'll still argue that the button for it is not intuitive at all.
- CivBase 4y agoI used GPM for that exact reason. When Google announced they were killing it for YTM, I setup an Emby server and never looked back. YTM is an abismal service. Supposedly Jellyfin is pretty good now, but that wasn't an option at the time and I've been comfortable with Emby.
- marcrosoft 4y agoNavidrome + tailscale = self hosted “Spotify”
- evo_9 4y agoI have a synolgy nas and they have DS Audio that lets me stream my nearly 200 gigs of music anywhere in the world. I’ve had this for the past decade so when streaming music became a thing, yeah why would I bother. It’s pretty great butni wish they’d update the DS Audio app; it lacks a proper eq for one and the Ux could use a refresh (esp lack of dark mode, the white background at night is pretty annoying).
- adra 4y agoAll I want the do is have DS audio play a random playlist of my music and it was garbage. Strike 1, you have to play using playlists, and even if you choose to randomly play "all your music", it caps their playlist at something like 500 songs (can't remember exactly) so it didn't do the one primary use case of "play a random song from my library". Strike 2, even in that subset of l my music, the playlist randomiser was super broken. I have no idea why, but the random distribution was anything but. Super grouped bias toward some songs over and over again... I finally found a docker music server called koel which has a playlist generator that just works for my use case. the playlist it generates is still capped, but the list is actually a reasonable random distribution.
- evo_9 4y agoI have a playlist called Jukebox I use most of the time; I added basically the ‘hits’ from every record that crosses my ears. Works well for me.
- martyvis 4y agoI love streaming music ( I subscribe to YouTube Premium). I get to listen to music I couldn't afford to when I was young (except when visiting friends or borrowing cassettes from the public library). I also am very eclectic - while prog rock was my first love, I am enjoying jazz, my wife loved classical and our kids all excelled in that, and have also learned about world music. Having access to libraries of music that really can't be plumbed for only $18 Aussie a month for my family as well is great
- indigodaddy 4y agoAlso have YT Premium and wind up just using YT Music to listen to music. It’s not the best UI, but I can find most anything I’m looking for on it. It’s a little dirty but gets the job done.
- leethomas 4y agoYup, Plex is the way to go for me too. I use plexamp as my client and it's been a wonderful experience. Really love the sonic analysis features, especially the guest DJs.
- indigodaddy 4y agoIf there were some online Blonde Redhead radio somewhere, I’d just listen to that..
- paulcole 4y agoI want this thing that the vast majority of people have zero interest in. Why is it so hard to find it? > maybe I'm just out of touch. Anything’s possible.
- WalterBright 4y agoI don't understand why every digital music player cannot read shared files over a LAN, you have to set up a "server" for it to see them. Why do I need a server? Why can't it just read the !@#$%^&* files? After all, if I put the files on a usb stick it can read/play them. It's not impossible, either, as the ancient Turtlebeach Audiotron could do just that. P.S. I'd also pay for a Roku app that can read and display PDF files.
- skydhash 4y agoI think there’s an app on Apple TV that can play files over smb. VLC does thats as well. I have macs and can play anything from my diy nas over smb as well. But I use Logitech Media Server, because I can control it from my phone, my tablet and my computers. And play through almost every speaker I have (airplay).
- kevin_thibedeau 4y agoVLC works better with a DLNA server. Then you get to drill down by tag metadata rather than plain FS navigation.
- userbinator 4y agoI have a little script that takes keywords, queries YouTube's search, and starts playing through the results. It's a similar experience to listening to an actual radio station, complete with non-music and the occasional ad that I let through (and I filter out the excessively long "n-hour remixes"), although I can also skip to the next result and "change the channel", but most of the time it's just a background in the shop while doing other stuff. It logs what it played, so I can go back and "cache" anything I liked for future playback.
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- Thrymr 4y agoAnother solution that is surprisingly powerful is Logitech Media Server [0], which despite its name is open source and cross-platform. The server can run on any unix-ish machine, and clients can be any number of Raspberry Pis or ESP32s, or custom boxes, or any computer. Multiroom syncing is great. Works for local library and streaming. There is even a modern web interface available [1]. I looked into many of the other solutions in this thread, and LMS suited my needs best. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logitech_Media_Server https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logitech_Media_Server [1] https://github.com/CDrummond/lms-material https://github.com/CDrummond/lms-material
- alelos 4y agoI’m surprised not a lot of people suggest LMS now days. I’ve been using it for years and I highly recommend it for streaming your library, locally or remotely. Poor man’s sonos with multidevice sync as well! It has an active community and a variety of very useful plugins. Heck, I use it as a Spotify frontend as well. Just make sure to use the material UI plug-in linked above, a lot of people get bumped out with the built in ui upon first install.
- xn 4y agoI use squeezeboxes to stream music around the house, using the Squeezer app on my phone to control them. The Squeeze Player app works well for streaming to my phone, although I haven't spent time figuring out how to get this working from outside my LAN; I use Squeezer to download music from LMS to my phone. The LMS music directory is managed by git-annex. I use git-annex to sync music to my computer for playing locally with mpd and to make new music I rip from CDs available to LMS.
- fsckboy 4y agoI don't want to stream any music, I just want to carry my curated polytaxonomic music collection around with me. Wireless to my headset or wired if I want, an SD card can hold plenty.
- jaredhallen 4y agoI was dissatisfied with this whole situation for a long time. At the moment I just sync my library to my phone with syncthing and play with musicolet (which I saw recommended here on HN at some point). It's simple and it works. I'm 90% less frustrated with trying to listen to music.
- grose 4y agoI tried to make this after Google Play Music died, but I never found any success. Here's my site. You can try it for free: https://inter.tube https://inter.tube It supports almost all of Subsonic (highly recommend play:Sub on iOS). FLAC works. I never re-encode your songs, they are kept byte-for-byte. It doesn't support Last.fm (yet?) but I don't think it would be too hard to add. It respects metadata tags. There are still some glitches, and the web player kind of sucks. You can (batch) edit metadata on the web but it does not change the file, just the web/API interfaces. To be honest I have mostly lost motivation to work on this, but I was aiming at exactly the pain points the author of this article describes. Send me an email (profile) or tweet/comment if you think it's worth pursuing again.
- grose 4y agoQuick update: I think uploading might be kinda totally messed up right now. I'll check it later after I'm done with my day job. Sorry everyone and thanks for trying it out. Send me an e-mail if you see any bugs and I will take a look.
- grose 4y agoNew update! Thanks to some helpful new users e-mailing me, I think I figured out what was wrong with it. It was a cache issue (of course). I have disabled the cache stuff for now, and hopefully it should work again. If you have already uploaded some tracks and they didn't show up, they should show up now.
- kvirani 4y agoThis is awesome. Why do you think you never found success with it?
- cdme 4y agoAgreed — I love the simplicity. In a perfect world I want this with server-side Last.fm support and a plain, reliable iOS app.
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- miika 4y agoYou can setup your own iTunes music server, host it, and connect from anywhere. My Buffalo network drive also supports custom iTunes libraries which can be used. Here is another kind of setup: https://www.techradar.com/how-to/software/applications/how-to-set-up-an-itunes-home-server-1305683 https://www.techradar.com/how-to/software/applications/how-t...
- Helmut10001 4y agoI use Funkwhale [1] internally. It is such a beautiful designed interface and it makes listening to my music fun again. Funkwhale also honors a carefully curated music collection (I use MusicBrainz); my MP3s are mounted read-only; I can share my Music with family-members; it is Album-focused, which is more in line with my listening habits (I don't want a random stream of different artists, I like to listen to a single album, the way artists arranged their tracks etc.); although, I do use playlists sometimes. My family members have an "MP3" folder in Nextcloud and when they add music, Funkwhale is set up to automatically scan their bind-mounts for change and add music. Currently, the library has about 16000 MP3s (mostly bought, some ccby, some music from games I bought, some digitized audio-cds - I try to by MP3 from bandcamp, if available). For multi-room-audio, I use Iris+Mopidy+Snapcast [2] as an alternative frontend to my Funkwhale library, via API. [1]: https://funkwhale.audio/ https://funkwhale.audio/ [2]: https://github.com/jaedb/Iris https://github.com/jaedb/Iris
- ethicalsmacker 4y agoI built my own "music streamer" for this. Basically takes any folder as an argument and recursively goes down and sucks up all music files and serves them via a web interface with the standard player controls and UI you would expect. Does everything I ever wanted and more. Why did I do it? Kind of stupid actually. I wanted to listen to the same music that I listen to on my laptop, but on my phone. Overkill? Probably, but 100% cool.
- jason2323 4y agoWhile I understand the sentiment in the article and this thread. Streaming services like Spotify have unparalleled recommendation and discovery systems. Even if I were to store my music locally, how would I discover new ones to add to my playlist?
- cdme 4y agoMy inclination has always been to reach for Last.fm that lists related artists gleaned from fan listening patterns — beyond that I've always enjoyed tracing bands manually based on the members of bands I like, their side projects, labels that put out releases I like consistently and so forth. For smaller acts that are absent from or not featured by Spotify their recommendations usually fall flat.
- unixhero 4y ago/r/selfhosted and /r/homelab called, come in it's warm
- mr_woozy 4y ago[dead]
- ibroadcast 4y agoHi Cory, We feel your pain! We are in the same position as you and this is exactly why we exist! We scrobble to Last.fm, have native apps for iOS and Android, a web based player for the computer, and tons of device support in one form or another – Chromecast, Alexa, Roku, Apple TV, Android TV, and more! Our core, free service gives you unlimited access to all your music, device support, and no limitations on uploading, recommendations, nor playlists. On top of that, we are always improving our recommendation system, which recommends only music inside your own library. We never modify your original files, and we never change your metadata. Give us a try – it costs nothing but a bit of your time – and we hope we can fill that void in your music addiction. Rock on! The iBroadcast Team https://ibroadcast.com https://ibroadcast.com
- softjobs 4y agoExcellent service!
- int_19h 4y agoHow are you able to keep the core service free, given the storage requirements? Also, I couldn't find a list of plans on your website - it's just a bunch of "sign up" links, but I would prefer to see what exactly you're offering before I sign up for anything (even if it's free).
- Ndymium 4y agoIf you scroll down and click on "premium service" in the text before the last sign up button, you get to this page: https://www.ibroadcast.com/premium/ https://www.ibroadcast.com/premium/ This seems to have the details you want.
- ibroadcast 4y agoOur premium subscriptions offset that storage cost. You can read more about what you get here: https://www.ibroadcast.com/premium https://www.ibroadcast.com/premium
- stenardo 4y agoI was looking for someone mentioning it! After the death of Google Play Music, iBroadcast became my favorite player! It has everything I need
- mosiuerbarso 4y agoI can't believe no one has mentioned it but Jriver is a damn fine feature rich media which has been developed by a dedicated team for years: https://www.jriver.com/ https://www.jriver.com/ They even have a lossless streaming service of sorts where you can upload your own playlist and then stream it wherever you want: https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Cloudplay https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Cloudplay I've been using it for nearly 10 years and the devs have kept it functional, feature rich, and importantly it's avoided the gradual shitification which seems to infest a lot of modern music service/programs (ie. Spotify). Also, their pricing is reasonable. Namely a yearly fee which - even if you don't pay it - their software still carries on working (a rarity these days). I've used it pretty much most days for nearly 10+ years and it just works. I've never had it corrupt my massive digital music collection. I can tag something when i need to. LastFM works with it. And the interface has the highly usable old itunes-esq look/layout which is great if you're working on a desktop all day. I also have a RaspPi and a MiniPC in other parts of the house, they both run Jriver and sync with my main library on my work PC. All playlists and ratings are sync, and if i change one it will update to the master library. And my licence allows as many installations of jriver as i want (another rarity these days).
- futurecat 4y agoI am streaming my music in two ways. For digital music, I have a setup with Beets and Plexamp. Plexamp is a seriously good player. For my vinyl records, sometimes I record a selection of tunes just like a radio DJ would. I have a liquidsoap instance coupled with an icecast server serving all these mixes in a random fashion. This way, I have both my radio station I can connect on (and share as well) and a streaming option with the choice of what I want to listen to. I love it.
- locusofself 4y agoI find it somewhat amusing that people have a problem with music streaming services as a consumer. Listening to any song you want is basically free, or for $10/mo you can listen in high quality and curate and download your playlists. As a musician or rights holder the streaming services are pretty bad in terms of getting paid. But as a consumer we are spoiled to death with ease of music access.
- jacooper 4y agoPersonally, I just use Spotify to descover songs. If I didn't care about tracking or privacy, I would use it every day because its the best in music recommendations.
- lupinglade 4y agoThis is self promotion, but we genuinely have a great solution to this with a free (no commitment) trial: FireStream https://geo.itunes.apple.com/us/app/firestream-upnp-dlna-media-server/id1005325119?mt=12&app=apps https://geo.itunes.apple.com/us/app/firestream-upnp-dlna-med...
- jwr 4y agoI run Roon on my Synology and couldn't be happier. Finally a service where I pay for the software being developed and I'm not a product. Works very well and doesn't try to sell me new crap all the time.
- foolwhofollows 4y agoSame here except I run Roon on my homeserver with unRAID. The last thing I remember them trying to "up-sell" me on was their new "RoonARC" app which I now use all the time as it just allows remote streaming of my own music. The multiroom support with Roon is also very well implemented - I can move the music I'm listening to between rooms as I move throught the house or I can play the same music in multiple rooms simultaneously. Qobuz subscription for streaming and discovery, and I buy an album for keeps as a celebration of every payday - there's no nicer feeling than owning your own media! Disclaimer: I work in HiFi so may be a little biased towards the audiophile lifestyle.
- jwr 4y agoI should probably add that here is nothing "audiophiley" about Roon, in fact that label may be hurting the software and the business. It's just… well, a streaming service for your music. And it works really well. I was really annoyed by Sonos forcing obsolescence of their products. Their "S1" app doesn't work too well anymore. Roon gave a new life to my Sonos devices and they are first-class citizens again. So if you want to stream your music, Roon is a good way to do it. Yes, you need to run the "roon core" somewhere, but that's not a very high bar, and it gives you the ability to play your music anywhere using your phone (with the RoonARC app).
- thewebcount 4y agoOK, serious question - why stream the music? Why not just sync between your computer and phone once a day or week or however often you obtain new music? Then if you don’t have a network connection, you can still listen to all of your music. Is the issue storage space? I did this with an iPod for years before the iPhone came out and it worked really well.
- j0057 4y agoThis is easy to answer: my music collections add up to about 400 GB now. Phones are pretty stingy with storage, it just won't fit. My solution is to have a pretty serious 20 GB/month data bundle, run Wireguard and some additional hackery so that the BubbleUPNP app on my phone can use multicast to discover some MiniDLNA/ReadyMedia containers running in my switchboard cabinet, and stream my collections that way.
- efreak 4y agoUse BubbleUPnP server instead, and dump it behind nginx or other reverse proxy for https support (it also has an option built-in for https, I think). No need for wireguard, unless you're already using it for other things. If necessary, it can also do transcoding for you. A 512gb microsd might also cost you less than a few months of cell service at $50, and if that's not enough 1-1.5tb is also available these days (micron's 1.5tb i400 costs a whopping $550+; 1tb is more reasonable at ~$100 from SanDisk) if you need more, and 2tb has been announced by Kioxia.
- j0057 4y agoThanks – I need the UPNP server to stream to other devices in the home too, and BubbleUPNP server is strangely not a UPNP server, according to their website. I'm actually about 99% happy with ReadyMedia (it should serve larger album art, and have some way of browsing recently added media), and also use the Wireguard to keep other services off the public internet, it gives me a lot of peace of mind to have a smaller attack surface that way. Updating an SD card is something I considered, though my phone doesn't support that, and it ends up being fairly clunky to keep synchronized, and indexing 400 GB of FLACs and MP3s on a low-power low-memory device like a phone with storage as slow as an SD card is going to run a phone hot for a fair amount of time.
- dclowd9901 4y agoMeh. I think what most people want is some fairly even combination of “my music” and “music I’d probably like.” If you want something else, figure it out.
- ocimbote 4y agoI still blame my younger self for falling for the sirens of "access the world's biggest library", without realizing that said libraries gain and lose contents all the time and favor most popular contents. The fool I was. At the time, I slowly got rid of my handcrafted library and only too late did I realize my mistake.
- TeMPOraL 4y agoDon't blame yourself too hard. It's the marketing scoundrels that lied to you (and everyone else). They told you they were selling access to a library, but a library carries connotations of a mostly append-only collection. They, however, really sold you access to a commercial catalog - the opposite of a stable collection.
- DevKoala 4y agoIf you are in iOS, use cactus to stream music in your phone from a remote server. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/cactus-music/id636015842 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/cactus-music/id636015842
- psychphysic 4y agoAirsonic is great and most seedbox services will provide it. Seedboxen are great if you want high space (low guaranteed reliability?) VPS. For £5 pcm will get you 2TB, 4TB total bandwidth and enough CPU to saturate the 1gig connection. Perfect for something like this. You probably won't get transcoding.
- GOATS- 4y agoThis is why I am building a Subsonic/Plex/Navidrome replacement, which I've called Coral. My goal is to provide a simple, commercial streaming service-like experience, while fixing every little issue that's bothered me on the other apps. There will be web and desktop apps from day 1 with native mobile apps coming a bit later. I'll be writing a lot more about it in the coming weeks, so let me know if you'd like to know more. I'm aiming to open-source it next month.
- thot_experiment 4y agowhat if, and I know this is totally insane/impossible but what if there were some sort of a small non volatile memory type card you could put into a phone with a large amount of storage and then you could put music files on it and just always have them with you! you could even combine that with like some sort of copper conduit to an ear-speaker and then you could have music in very high fidelity and never ever worry about not being able to listen to your favorite tunes, if only there were some such technology I think with modern tech you could even achieve low costs, like $30 for a quarter tera, that should fit at least a few albums
- HollowEyes 4y agoI dicked about with jellyfin server and an old android phone connected to a stereo for remote play. Almost good, but WiFi and battery save kicked in and play was spurious. Transcoded library to opus, shoved on the memory card. Turned on airplane mode. Jobs a goodun.
- UncleEntity 4y agoI tried that but when I popped open the little door and installed the memory card I couldn’t make phone calls and surf the internet for some odd reason. Maybe the hackers got in or something, I did find the card lying on the ground when I went to the social security office. Also have been having a hard time figuring out where to plug in the headphones, like, a really hard time.
- dangravell 4y agoHi OP, developer of Astiga here... can you get in touch about the inconsistent scrobbling? info@asti.ga . Regarding iOS - agree, you're left with any Subsonic compatible iOS app.
- HollowEyes 4y agoHave no idea of formats, but been on a track to nothing with crappy systems. And concluded that it's just easier to roll your own. Transfer all your flacs to opus, with playlists, upload and just use http. Build a web front end using GPT in 10 minutes.
- MrDresden 4y agoMy setup is Kodi on the LAN + wireguard. I can now stream my 0.5 TiB media collection where ever in the world I am.
- qikInNdOutReply 4y agoI wonder wether some markets are just dead after a while. As in, all things that can be done have been done in all permutations, there might even be software generated plenty, and the product being eternal living, just never fades. Maybe releasing new music, movies, games one day will become the same thing. Without artifical scarcity, some markets will just die, just a computer being able to entertain tailored to the audience, with all tools, not needing a connection just a seed. I wonder what happens, if a ChatGPT version specialized on Art downstream, just becomes the computer of startrek, capable to visualize all and everything on the holodeck without the need for artists.
- ashishb 4y agoAfter the demise of Google Play Music a few years back, I built a replacement for myself. If I had offered an option to store music, someone would have to bear the cost. Either I would have to make a product that eventually monetizes (or shuts down) or I'll have to make it a paid product making it out of reach for the masses. So, I decided that users should be able to use their cloud storage (Google Drive) to store their music. This keeps my cloud costs to a minimum. The initial goal was only to support music. But users told me how they love using it for audiobooks! So many new features were added like preserving progress, playback speed, the ability to see total media duration in a folder, add files to a queue, the ability to add files directly from the web, etc. Now, there are rumors circulating that Google might kill Google Podcasts (for the second time!). As someone who loves listening to podcasts, this time I decided to go ahead and pre-emptively add podcast support to MusicSync. Please give it a try and let me know what you guys think. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.ashishb.androidmusicplayer https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.ashishb.an...
- globular-toast 4y agoI feel like there's a lot of meaning hidden in the word "streaming" that I don't fully understand. Surely every player under the sun can play back from a network location? What actually is this "streaming" thing? If we could fully describe the problem maybe it would be easier to come up with a solution.
- misterlight 4y agoWhat about using services like Onedrive and stream from VLC?
- thefz 4y agoPlex server->Tailscale subnet router->Plexamp.
- harry8 4y agoOwntone + wireguard + mpd client eg rhythmbox for on the go.
- harry8 4y agoEh wrote it too quick for my brane. Daap client. Eg rhythmbox or iTunes, the creatively named "DAAP" from fdroid, looks like there's a few for ios. Owntone is great to drive your airplay speakers in your house (shairport-sync or whatever) daap client let's you stream that one, organised, curated, source of truth collection on the local network - which wireguard provides to you even when you're far, far away. Last.fm in you're into that (I'm not). Better than any subscription service because it's yours.
- lloeki 4y agoIf one is not up for self hosting (e.g Plex or Jellyfin) then Vox may be of interest. It has a quality Winamp-like media player and offers a lossless digital locker as a subscription. Plus it does BS2B which is a nice thing to have. https://vox.rocks/ https://vox.rocks/
- azubinski 4y agoI probably think badly and therefore I cannot understand the logic "first upload your files to the service, then pay the service for access to your files." It is especially difficult to understand when an SSD with a capacity of about 240 gigabytes costs as much as a couple of months of access to the service. A home streamer with removable SSDs (it's a streamer, SSDs are actually always used in read mode) looks more convincing to me. Omnia mea mecum porto.
- rcarmo 4y agoChalk me up as another happy PlexAmp user. I haven't yet cancelled iTunes Match because, well... inertia, I guess, but I have a destkop "now playing" display into which I shoehorned PlexAmp recently: https://taoofmac.com/space/blog/2021/12/01/1920 https://taoofmac.com/space/blog/2021/12/01/1920 (see bottom of post)
- Klaster_1 4y agoAnyone else uses foobar2000 external SQLite tags to manage the collection and needs to occasionally sync to the phone? How do you preserve the tags after the files were moved to the phone? The perfect solution would be to bake in the tags and art when copying, but I am not aware of tools that support this. Maybe I should write my own sync tool.
- DiskoHexyl 4y agoAbout 8 bucks a month gives you a single-code Hetzner vps + 1TB of their storage box. Install Navidrome (subsonic-compatible music streaming server), nginx for https, mount a storage box as a network drive to both VPS and your PC, and you're all set. Just drag and drop music straight from your laptop to the network drive, and you can listen to it with both web ui or any number of subsonic clients (Symphonium is probably the best for Android). The only thing that's missing is discovery and recommendation. Navidrome supports scrobbling to last.fm and listenbrainz, but so far I wasn't successfull with getting good recommendations from both of these. Does anyone have ideas on how to implement this, save for exporting my own data and developing own recommendation system?
- senorqa 4y agoNavidrome: https://www.navidrome.org/ https://www.navidrome.org/ + Ultrasonic: https://gitlab.com/ultrasonic/ultrasonic https://gitlab.com/ultrasonic/ultrasonic + Sonixd https://github.com/jeffvli/sonixd https://github.com/jeffvli/sonixd + DynDNS + Let's Encrypt Combo does work nicely for me Or MPD in satellite mode https://www.musicpd.org/ https://www.musicpd.org/ + MPDroid https://github.com/abarisain/dmix/wiki https://github.com/abarisain/dmix/wiki also does great job at streaming music
- westcort 4y agoYou can adapt this to your needs by hosting a version on your own site, or locally: https://www.locserendipity.com/LP.html https://www.locserendipity.com/LP.html Just replace the 20,000 or so links to archive.org music with local links to your songs and you will have a streaming service with only your music and unlimited skips!
- autoexec 4y ago> Plex scrobbles to Last.fm from the server, auto-populates artist metadata, does a stellar job matching similar artists and building playlists from your own collection....The metadata is defined the way I've elected to define it and it's available via an rclone mount to Google Drive. This is so strange to me. If I were going through the trouble of streaming my own files, the last thing I'd want is to have records of every file I played and when sent a bunch of third parties who will eagerly collect that data. Self-hosting should mean getting your data out of other people's hands because what you listen to, when, and how often, is none of their business.
- LeSaucy 4y agoThere are FOSS alternatives to last.fm like majola but player support is almost nonexistent. https://github.com/krateng/maloja https://github.com/krateng/maloja
- easyKL 4y agoAnd if you don't use Play Services on your mobile device there are Android apps available: Gelli & Finamp for a Jellyfin server and Ultrasonic & Subtracks for a Subsonic server.
- navjack27 4y agoWhat's so hard about copying the music that you know you're going to be wanting to listen to to whatever device that you're going to have with you and then just listening to it? Why does it have to be streamed? If you have everything on an NAS then just use Windows file share and go to that folder and drag it to your foobar 2000 on your computer. If you're out and about and you want access to all of this then set up a VPN server on your router that also has encryption so and then set up VPN client on your phone or whatever and then connect in to your home network when you're out and about and then you can access your home storage... I hate Plex I hate the way it makes me reorganize everything and tag everything when all I want to do is go to the folder where the thing is and put it in my media player which is something that I can just you know do. I feel like a lot of you were thinking about this in very strange ways when you could be solving it with very simple ways And what's the obsession about not using local storage? My phone has over a hundred gigs of storage. My computer has terabytes of storage. Laptops for years have had like 500 gig drives or more. Companies still sell digital audio players and some of them also have Bluetooth in fact a lot of them have audiophile quality Bluetooth. But no you have to talk about things in terms of Rsync and S3 buckets because you're a fucking tech bro. You have to talk about things in terms of services and all this crap when you have the simple thing right in front of you. I don't mean to be like incredibly rude sounding about all of this but I see this topic come up so much and I feel like a lot of people can't see the forest for the trees when it comes how to handle their own home media. Music comes out of speakers. Music is contained inside of a digital audio file. Connect a device that plays a digital audio file to a speaker either through wireless or wired means and then you have... Music! It doesn't need to be streamed. If you need it in your car? You have a phone right? You have an AUX Jack? Plug in a usb-c sound card thingy to your phone if you need an AUX Jack on your phone cuz it doesn't have one and now you have the ability to wire your phone to the AUX Jack. Get a dedicated device if you don't want to do that. Again digital audio players still exist. Oh but you need to Scrobble all of your music that you ever play because you need a record of everything you've ever listened to... Good thing a lot of digital audio players just run Android and have players that have that functionality.
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- hasbot 4y agoI was in this camp too until January. I have nearly 20k of fairly well tagged and curated mp3s. They consume 85Gb and easily fits on an SD card. While I'm mostly content with my collection, there are many gaps particularly from bands that only have one or two songs that I like. I did the 90-day Spotify trial in January and set up my ultimate favorite song list (minus Neil Young) of about 1900 songs. Maybe I'll try to add the missing songs to my library but at $10 a month it might not be worth the time.
- adamtrainer 4y agoFor playing a Plex library on iOS, I recommend Prism (https://apps.apple.com/us/app/prism-music/id1335007451 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/prism-music/id1335007451).
- tootie 4y agoI like streaming. KCRW Eclectic24 or New Sounds by WQXR. Selection is curated by people with impeccable taste.
- LastTrain 4y agoAre there enough people like you to make a mass market?
- danpalmer 4y agoThis is an underrated feature of Apple Music that few people seem to know about. Everyone I talk to about streaming music is shocked that I use Apple Music, and even when I describe the feature they say "oh yeah Spotify can do that"... but it can't. It seems poorly marketed and quite misunderstood, but I also think most people don't see much if any value in it anymore.
- user3939382 4y agoI spent a few hours one day screwing around with coreaudio and icecast on my mac and got it so with a command I could redirect current sound output to a stream that I could seamlessly pick up on from my phone. If I added a layer of remote controls you'd get a central streaming service between devices with free hand off.
- pontifier 4y agoI believe in Murfie. Despite the problems I've been having reviving it, I still believe it is the future of how music should be.
- acidburnNSA 4y agoI have a music library on my home server that I use mopidy to play via the iris plugin integrated into my home assistant UI. It plays over Snapcast which streams over the network to multiple devices in the home with independent volume control. I can fire up the Snapcast client in my phone to get it going there as well, which does work over vpn if I'm away, though I generally just fire up the files from my phones SD card for out-of-home listening. I recently started using whipper on Linux to extract audio from craigslist cds. https://mopidy.com/ https://mopidy.com/ https://mopidy.com/ext/iris/ https://mopidy.com/ext/iris/ https://github.com/badaix/snapcast https://github.com/badaix/snapcast https://github.com/whipper-team/whipper https://github.com/whipper-team/whipper
- fatnoah 4y agoWay back in the early 2000's, I homebrewed a simple server to stream audio from my home PC via Windows Media Services (IIRC). It featured a web app to allow me to create the playlist. It let me listen to my own music at work without having to copy files, even with the limited bandwidth of my home DSL connection. Nowadays, I use Roon for the same purpose (specifically Roon ARC). It's not cheap, but I was already using Roon for home to easily find and manage music across my own collection and streaming services, and then play it back on many devices in my home. It takes a bit of work to get running there is a cost, so it's definitely a bit of an investment, but it generally does exactly what I want it to do and I spend my time using it rather than fighting it.
- non-nil 4y agoThere's one thing I cannot stand about the Apple streaming platform: the first one or two seconds of a song seem to be served at a lower bitrate, making any powerful intro hits/notes basically get a low-pass filter applied. Or, at least this is my understanding of it – that they've prioritized serving audio FAST, rather than waiting an extra second for the higher bitrate to buffer. I find it absolutely infuriating and can't un-notice it. For some reason, it seems to behave the same if the bandwidth/latency is great or poor, or whether files are cached or not. I don't use other services, but never experience this with any other player (including my own Navidrome setup), even if the files are the exact same. Surely I can't be the only one who's noticed?
- mfld 4y agoI store my music on a QNAP NAS. I can listen to it from everywhere either with the provided web app or on my phone with the QMusic mobile app. Both do their job. I like that you have a basic rating/tagging function, which however is stored in an internal database instead of the file metadata. You can also directly delete files.
- l72 4y agoI have carefully curated my music collection for a few decades now. I am very specific in how I listen to music. I listen to full albums and want them to be gapless. I get really frustrated at the smallest glitch, hiccup, or buffer. All my music is on my NAS and backed up. I use jellyfin + finamp (+ wireguard when not at home) to stream to my phone. I have a dedicated mp3 player (fiio) that I also load part of my collection on for true offline and higher fidelity listening. I can stream through jellyfin to my stereo. I also have built a raspberry pi with an RFID reader. I have printed album covers onto rfid cards and have stacks of them you can flip through. If you place them them on my stereo, that album starts playing (it uses mpd to stream from my NAS). This was a fun project to turn my digital collection back into something physical and is a lot of fun when friends come over.
- wilsonfiifi 4y agoSynology Audio Station [0] should be a good replacement for Apple Music and Other streaming apps. Their iOS and Android DS Audio apps are quite good. You can even access your Synology NAS remotely so that should tick quite a few boxes. [0] https://www.synology.com/en-global/dsm/feature/audio_station https://www.synology.com/en-global/dsm/feature/audio_station
- b-star 4y agoLots of good suggestions here. One option i haven't seen mentioned yet is Vox: https://vox.rocks/ https://vox.rocks/ It's a paid service that seems fairly well polished with apps for different platforms, including mobile. Wondering if anyone's using it and what the feedback is.
- rozhok 4y agoIt's mentioned in the article
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- dusted 4y agoI built this small node app that serves up a directory, I'm running that on my storage machine and it allows me to listen to my music from anywhere. There's also an Android client, bot so far, it's been in "review" for Play for about two months.. https://github.com/DusteDdk/dstream https://github.com/DusteDdk/dstream
- whoisthemachine 4y agoThis is the rare opportunity to share my little android side project, project blue: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lasthopesoftware.bluewater https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lasthopeso... It lets you stream from a nice desktop server product, JRiver Media Center [0], and it's sole purpose is to be an audio client to JRiver Media Center. It's main focus is on being lightweight and reliably streaming from your home server even on long drives, when your connection may be less than reliable. [0] https://www.jriver.com/index.html https://www.jriver.com/index.html
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