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> Both from outside USA seem insane. I see this a lot on the internet and comments like this are not as relevant as you might think. Saying place X is better
by no-dr-onboard 4y ago
> Both from outside USA seem insane.
I see this a lot on the internet and comments like this are not as relevant as you might think.
Saying place X is better off than place Y is often an incongruent comparison followed by similar fallacies. Y'all, each place is unique and faces a long and considerable history as to how they got there and the type of people that have and currently do live there. I can't even begin to recall the number of times I heard this type of comparison during the Obama administration. America is not similar to Sweden, Finland, Germany, Japan or Canada.
- xiphias2 4y agoCrime and health statistics are mostly depending on economic situation of a country (money per person). US is an outlier in both (especially health spending vs average life expectency)
- trafficante 4y agoJust want to note that US life expectancy is all over the place; much like with nearly every other national comparison statistic, the US average is largely a useless thing to compare to other countries. For example: here in the Pacific Northwest, we’re neck and neck with chart-topping Japan for life expectancy - while most of the Deep South has a life expectancy roughly in-line with the average Iraqi. Yes, America is an Odd Place.
- Supermancho 4y ago> America is not similar to Sweden, Finland, Germany, Japan or Canada. Except for, you know, they are each an organization of humans with access to technology and other cultures. Maybe there's something to be learned.
- profeaturo 4y agoAs long as what you learn complies with the regime idealogy. Europe is a nicer place to live for now, but that’s more in spite of Europeans’ politics than because of it. There’s no significant difference in thought between the typical American liberal progressive and his European counterpart. Now that Europeans have sufficiently Americanized they’ll soon discover that the problems america faces now are in fact universal to all diverse liberal democracies.
- Supermancho 4y ago> As long as what you learn complies with the regime idealogy This seems completely unconnected to the discussion, but ok. > Now that Europeans have sufficiently Americanized they’ll soon discover that the problems america faces now are in fact universal to all liberal democracies. I concede, this may be true.
- profeaturo 4y agoMy point is that you’re correct, there are in fact things to be learned, but many of those lessons violate the basic principles of modern progressive liberal society, and the moment one might even begin to consider those possibilities out loud, he’ll be immediately shut down as racist, misogynist, Christian, right wing extremist, etc.
- softjobs 4y agoNote: (neo)liberal != left. Just because the Democrats are called "the left" (or even "the far left" on Fox News), doesn't mean they are. Look at the policies they support; are they pro-worker, pro-single payer, anti-war, anti-imperialist? No. So not "the left". Regardless of what they themselves or anybody else calls them, what matters is what policies they concretely support.
- trafficante 4y agoThe modern atomized “far left” are the new Bible thumpers, except far more useful to the elite as their religious texts are fluid and ever-changing. They serve as arbiters of morality to keep the “normal” liberals in line and make certain the window of discussion never again approaches heretical talk of “nationalization” or “the 1%”. There’s still old school leftists around that strongly support the policies you described, but they’ve been essentially banished from the political sphere at even the metro level. Even the DSA has been nearly entirely co-opted by this quasi-religious garbage.
- softjobs 4y ago
- no-dr-onboard 4y agoMaybe I should expand more because it seems like the intent was lost. The cultural diversity in America compared to the countries above far exceeds what most people give credit for. First and second generation immigrants with different cultural ideologies amplify the differences that you would experience in somewhere like that set of countries. These cultural differences create multitudes of challenges that are not experienced anywhere else to this scale. Again, America is different.
- ShroudedNight 4y agoCanadian urban centres generally pride themselves on their multiculturalism. What justifies describing SF's diversity as so much more extreme?
- tormeh 4y agoI've checked, and nowhere on earth has more immigrants than Toronto. So I agree.
- pcthrowaway 4y agoBy number or percentage? Because Vancouver and Montreal must be in the same ballpark.
- PicassoCTs 4y agoIts exceptionally unexceptional.