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Opinions like these involving the use of corporal punishment and ad hominem (antisocial criminal trash) are part of the reason why the pendulum has swung so far

Opinions like these involving the use of corporal punishment and ad hominem (antisocial criminal trash) are part of the reason why the pendulum has swung so far in the other direction and the bay now lives in a liberal dystopia

fastball 4y ago
I think you mean corporal punishment. In what way does using harsh language to describe harsh people cause DAs to not enforce crimes? How does one thing directly cause the other?
- soulofmischief 4y ago
  I did, thanks for the catch; in my mind I said corporal but my hands and eyes apparently disagreed. "Harsh language" isn't the problem, it's the framing and lack of empathy for these people.
  - fastball 4y ago
    > it's the framing and lack of empathy for these people Wasn't this the argument which lead to the current policy positions? Which seem to have not helped?
random314 4y ago
Do you live in the bay? Portions of SF have always been sketchy, but I am enjoying this "liberal dystopia" quite well. 15 years in and no one in my family has been a victim to any crime.
- newfriend 4y ago
  I'll have you know, my ivory tower is devoid of any riffraff!
- soulofmischief 4y ago
  I currently live in Sacramento. It's undeniable that the bay has gotten much worse even if it was "already bad" decades ago. I actually had a nice week in the bay two weeks ago, but I was in a rental in a nice neighborhood. And don't get me wrong; I've walked through SoMa at night even recently and while it was pretty sketchy I didn't feel unsafe. That doesn't mean I couldn't have gotten mugged.
- x-complexity 4y ago
  > > > Since I moved here, I have sen people break into cars (numerous times), fill suitcases with products from Target and Walgreens and leave without paying, casually smoke meth in a crowded bus, empty their bladder and bowels in the middle of the sidewalk, etc. all of this brazenly and in broad daylight. > 15 years in and no one in my family has been a victim to any crime. The reason provided above is as anecdotal as the one provided by GGP, and cannot be solely used to build any arguments/conclusions from. There's also an axiomatic conflict between this & GP: The general neighborhoods that glerk and random314 live in may not be the same neighborhoods, resulting in the conflicting self-reports written above. It is possible that random314 lives in one of the nicer neighborhoods that glerk mentions offhandedly, and unless shown otherwise, has not been to FiDi or SOMA: > > > I think a lot of people live in their nice neighborhood bubble and have never stepped foot in FiDi or SOMA.
  - random314 4y ago
    I live in south bay, the original silicon valley. The bay area is home to 7M+ population, it isn't just tenderloin.
- bentt 4y ago
  Boiling frog Just went to SF for the first time in 5 years. So much worse. Wasn’t great in 18, but back then I walked across Golden Gate Park alone during the day and it was beautiful. I cannot imagine now. Market st is hell.
  - estebank 4y ago
    GGP is more visited than ever, and a lovely hang out place with people playing the piano outdoors, tons of families and food trucks on the weekends.
oefrha 4y ago
You apparently don’t know the meaning of ad hominem. Look it up, it’s not a synonym of “insult”.
- soulofmischief 4y ago
  So we're just insulting these people?
  - burnished 4y ago
    Correct. If you wanted a phrasing that makes more of a statement you could suggest we are dehumanizing them.
    - soulofmischief 4y ago
      Fair enough, I was trying to be charitable to OP but I agree, it's just a plain insult and I myself use have used this argument when insulting people ;)
  - xdavidliu 4y ago
    look at paul grahams essay about "ways to disagree". name calling is even lower than ad hominem
  - selfmodruntime 4y ago
    Openly defecating on the streets may open you up to being called trash. Who knew!
    - kamranjon 4y ago
      Sometimes it can be helpful to think about why people are doing this, put yourself in their shoes. Many times homeless people are forbidden from using bathrooms in businesses, and often cities do not provide outhouses or enough public restrooms for the amount of homeless the city has. I promise you many of these people using the street as a restroom would prefer an actual toilet. I wouldn't jump to calling someone trash because they don't have access to the basic amenities that others do.
patcon 4y ago
YES. The societal dysfunctions are because tech ppl, the ones who ask the laypeople of the world to allow them to fix all their problems, have built a literal dystopia of social problems in the place where they have the most actual wealth and power to build something else. There is no greater argument for the myopia of VC-tainted tech solutionism than SF itself.
- dmix 4y ago
  SF was a liberal mecca way before anyone knew what a "VC" was. What that means and the consequences is what's changed, not the political demographic.
- fabioborellini 4y ago
  Maybe someone needs to pitch an Uber for ordering someone to beat criminals up
  - public_defender 4y ago
    I built this. Try it by calling 911. Monero address in my profile.

fastball 4y ago

I think you mean corporal punishment. In what way does using harsh language to describe harsh people cause DAs to not enforce crimes? How does one thing directly cause the other?

soulofmischief 4y ago
I did, thanks for the catch; in my mind I said corporal but my hands and eyes apparently disagreed. "Harsh language" isn't the problem, it's the framing and lack of empathy for these people.
- fastball 4y ago
  > it's the framing and lack of empathy for these people Wasn't this the argument which lead to the current policy positions? Which seem to have not helped?

random314 4y ago

Do you live in the bay? Portions of SF have always been sketchy, but I am enjoying this "liberal dystopia" quite well. 15 years in and no one in my family has been a victim to any crime.

newfriend 4y ago
I'll have you know, my ivory tower is devoid of any riffraff!
soulofmischief 4y ago
I currently live in Sacramento. It's undeniable that the bay has gotten much worse even if it was "already bad" decades ago. I actually had a nice week in the bay two weeks ago, but I was in a rental in a nice neighborhood. And don't get me wrong; I've walked through SoMa at night even recently and while it was pretty sketchy I didn't feel unsafe. That doesn't mean I couldn't have gotten mugged.
x-complexity 4y ago
> > > Since I moved here, I have sen people break into cars (numerous times), fill suitcases with products from Target and Walgreens and leave without paying, casually smoke meth in a crowded bus, empty their bladder and bowels in the middle of the sidewalk, etc. all of this brazenly and in broad daylight. > 15 years in and no one in my family has been a victim to any crime. The reason provided above is as anecdotal as the one provided by GGP, and cannot be solely used to build any arguments/conclusions from. There's also an axiomatic conflict between this & GP: The general neighborhoods that glerk and random314 live in may not be the same neighborhoods, resulting in the conflicting self-reports written above. It is possible that random314 lives in one of the nicer neighborhoods that glerk mentions offhandedly, and unless shown otherwise, has not been to FiDi or SOMA: > > > I think a lot of people live in their nice neighborhood bubble and have never stepped foot in FiDi or SOMA.
- random314 4y ago
  I live in south bay, the original silicon valley. The bay area is home to 7M+ population, it isn't just tenderloin.
bentt 4y ago
Boiling frog Just went to SF for the first time in 5 years. So much worse. Wasn’t great in 18, but back then I walked across Golden Gate Park alone during the day and it was beautiful. I cannot imagine now. Market st is hell.
- estebank 4y ago
  GGP is more visited than ever, and a lovely hang out place with people playing the piano outdoors, tons of families and food trucks on the weekends.

oefrha 4y ago

You apparently don’t know the meaning of ad hominem. Look it up, it’s not a synonym of “insult”.

soulofmischief 4y ago
So we're just insulting these people?
- burnished 4y ago
  Correct. If you wanted a phrasing that makes more of a statement you could suggest we are dehumanizing them.
  - soulofmischief 4y ago
    Fair enough, I was trying to be charitable to OP but I agree, it's just a plain insult and I myself use have used this argument when insulting people ;)
- xdavidliu 4y ago
  look at paul grahams essay about "ways to disagree". name calling is even lower than ad hominem
- selfmodruntime 4y ago
  Openly defecating on the streets may open you up to being called trash. Who knew!
  - kamranjon 4y ago
    Sometimes it can be helpful to think about why people are doing this, put yourself in their shoes. Many times homeless people are forbidden from using bathrooms in businesses, and often cities do not provide outhouses or enough public restrooms for the amount of homeless the city has. I promise you many of these people using the street as a restroom would prefer an actual toilet. I wouldn't jump to calling someone trash because they don't have access to the basic amenities that others do.

patcon 4y ago

YES. The societal dysfunctions are because tech ppl, the ones who ask the laypeople of the world to allow them to fix all their problems, have built a literal dystopia of social problems in the place where they have the most actual wealth and power to build something else. There is no greater argument for the myopia of VC-tainted tech solutionism than SF itself.

dmix 4y ago
SF was a liberal mecca way before anyone knew what a "VC" was. What that means and the consequences is what's changed, not the political demographic.
fabioborellini 4y ago
Maybe someone needs to pitch an Uber for ordering someone to beat criminals up
- public_defender 4y ago
  I built this. Try it by calling 911. Monero address in my profile.