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The article doesn't mention this, but does anyone know how they make a living? If it's just living with their parents and family, what happened to these people

The article doesn't mention this, but does anyone know how they make a living? If it's just living with their parents and family, what happened to these people when that family or parents pass away? How do they survive ?

humanistbot 4y ago
Remote work and/or inheritance. When you don't need to pay rent or mortgage, you don't even need to work that much.
- jstarfish 4y ago
  The NEET grifter play is to feign hardship/trauma to be allowed to couch surf and pretend to be doing remote work while secretly living off of inheritance money (or misappropriated college tuition-- how dare you ask to see my transcript!). Bonus points if you publicly spread rumors and malign your hosts the whole time. When they catch on to you and kick you out, you net an invite to repeat the cycle with the next sucker by telling them you were kicked out for being gay.
  - Llamamoe 4y ago
    I honestly don't believe that this is an actually common archetype. I have met enormous amounts of people with undiagnosed or undertreated chronic issues manifesting as varying degrees of fatigue preventing them from functioning, and your take just sounds like an attempt to justify the systemic discrimination against them that I see everywhere by vilifying them.
unixgoddess 4y ago
I'm one of them, so I can answer you first-hand. Currently living off my parents, will probably kill myself after they die --- that's the only reason why I haven't killed myself yet after all. (Even though they only considered what was best for them when they decided to breed, I can't bring myself to hurt them)
- mrelectric 4y ago
  I used to comment similar things 10y ago, today I couldn't be happier and consider my life precious. I hope you manage to find your own purpose and meaning that will make you feel alive as well. In any case, wish you all the best, good luck in whatever you decide and do.
- mgraupner 4y ago
  Ever thought about changing continents? There are large Japanese communities here in Germany (and other places in Europe), perhaps you would get a more positive outlook on life there.
  - unixgoddess 4y ago
    I'm already in europe and hate it fiercely... that's a big reason why I lost all hope, it's supposed to be the healthier area already..
- drumhead 4y ago
  I know how you feel. I'm not a lock in like you, I work and am relatively successful and well respected in my job, but I hate the stress and anxiety that goes with it and most days I just want to quit. I wouldn't kill my self though, I'd just get a lower paid, less stressful job. Stacking shelves or cleaning, where I can be by myself and not have much interaction with people. But I carry on working here even though I hate it because commitments.
- 50 4y ago
  have you read emil cioran? i find hope in his dire hopelessness, oddly enough, but also a friend, a companion, someone who is there with you, sharing analogous feelings
  - unixgoddess 4y ago
    I get what you mean, but I'm the type that would rather read middle grade fluff than stick my finger in the wound...
boogersnbananas 4y ago
I’ve heard that those folks will typically stand in areas of a particular city where day labor is sought after - and most can get day labor through this process at meager wages. Lots of hotels with low daily rates that attract the “evaporated” people there to work daily and be done with work daily. Watched an interview with an older gentleman who was well-spoken, had been “evaporated” for like his whole life, such a beautiful spirit laden with regret. The whole “evaporation” movement has this weird reset ideology baked in too - so I’d imagine some folks come to this place to start-over, not realizing what a trap it can be societally. My understanding is few people if any go from “evaporated persons” back into structured society.
ilaksh 4y ago
I am not Japanese but I am a recluse and I strongly believe that this type of thing is not even slightly limited to Japan. For the last ten years or so I generally avoid going out and rarely attempt socialization. Not even online. But I think that it is very stupid if people think that someone is a recluse to the same degree if they do a lot of online socializing but don't go out. The online world is part of this equation. I think that this is wrongly painted as a psychological problem. I think it is an economic problem first with a psychological component that it probably a lot smaller than people realize. I have been doing freelance programming contracts for most of my adult life and/or bootstrapped startups (my own or individual's). Contrary to the false information that may be spread by privileged people on HN, the vast majority of such contracts available have relatively modest budgets. And it is vastly easier to get this kind of work online than projects that are well-funded. So it comes down to a few factors for me. I have always had some socialization problems. I am usually pretty broke. Going anywhere is going to end up costing easily $20-30. On the weekend it could be closer to $40 just for the Lyft rides (I work remotely and sold my car in 2013). When I am broke it doesn't make sense to go out. It's very unwise in fact. But beyond that, even online I am tired of saying something to the affect of "I have a lot of hope for the income from this latest startup". So telling people honestly how it's going is kind of a bummer for them unless I lie. Now I am trying hard to get my GPT4 powered VMs out. But even though I have plans for a lot of controls and screening, I believe that people will try to cancel this effort due to supposed safety concerns (again mediated by prompts and screening). And then others with better connections and funding will replicate the effort with inferior safety controls but better marketing for them. HN is the closest thing I get to a real social effort. Most of my comments aren't appreciated much. But I am authentic if nothing else.
charlieyu1 4y ago
Living really isn't that expensive once you have the home cost covered. Some people also work enough to cover the bills.

humanistbot 4y ago

Remote work and/or inheritance. When you don't need to pay rent or mortgage, you don't even need to work that much.

jstarfish 4y ago
The NEET grifter play is to feign hardship/trauma to be allowed to couch surf and pretend to be doing remote work while secretly living off of inheritance money (or misappropriated college tuition-- how dare you ask to see my transcript!). Bonus points if you publicly spread rumors and malign your hosts the whole time. When they catch on to you and kick you out, you net an invite to repeat the cycle with the next sucker by telling them you were kicked out for being gay.
- Llamamoe 4y ago
  I honestly don't believe that this is an actually common archetype. I have met enormous amounts of people with undiagnosed or undertreated chronic issues manifesting as varying degrees of fatigue preventing them from functioning, and your take just sounds like an attempt to justify the systemic discrimination against them that I see everywhere by vilifying them.

unixgoddess 4y ago

I'm one of them, so I can answer you first-hand. Currently living off my parents, will probably kill myself after they die --- that's the only reason why I haven't killed myself yet after all. (Even though they only considered what was best for them when they decided to breed, I can't bring myself to hurt them)

mrelectric 4y ago
I used to comment similar things 10y ago, today I couldn't be happier and consider my life precious. I hope you manage to find your own purpose and meaning that will make you feel alive as well. In any case, wish you all the best, good luck in whatever you decide and do.
mgraupner 4y ago
Ever thought about changing continents? There are large Japanese communities here in Germany (and other places in Europe), perhaps you would get a more positive outlook on life there.
- unixgoddess 4y ago
  I'm already in europe and hate it fiercely... that's a big reason why I lost all hope, it's supposed to be the healthier area already..
drumhead 4y ago
I know how you feel. I'm not a lock in like you, I work and am relatively successful and well respected in my job, but I hate the stress and anxiety that goes with it and most days I just want to quit. I wouldn't kill my self though, I'd just get a lower paid, less stressful job. Stacking shelves or cleaning, where I can be by myself and not have much interaction with people. But I carry on working here even though I hate it because commitments.
50 4y ago
have you read emil cioran? i find hope in his dire hopelessness, oddly enough, but also a friend, a companion, someone who is there with you, sharing analogous feelings
- unixgoddess 4y ago
  I get what you mean, but I'm the type that would rather read middle grade fluff than stick my finger in the wound...

boogersnbananas 4y ago

I’ve heard that those folks will typically stand in areas of a particular city where day labor is sought after - and most can get day labor through this process at meager wages. Lots of hotels with low daily rates that attract the “evaporated” people there to work daily and be done with work daily. Watched an interview with an older gentleman who was well-spoken, had been “evaporated” for like his whole life, such a beautiful spirit laden with regret. The whole “evaporation” movement has this weird reset ideology baked in too - so I’d imagine some folks come to this place to start-over, not realizing what a trap it can be societally. My understanding is few people if any go from “evaporated persons” back into structured society.

ilaksh 4y ago

I am not Japanese but I am a recluse and I strongly believe that this type of thing is not even slightly limited to Japan. For the last ten years or so I generally avoid going out and rarely attempt socialization. Not even online. But I think that it is very stupid if people think that someone is a recluse to the same degree if they do a lot of online socializing but don't go out. The online world is part of this equation. I think that this is wrongly painted as a psychological problem. I think it is an economic problem first with a psychological component that it probably a lot smaller than people realize. I have been doing freelance programming contracts for most of my adult life and/or bootstrapped startups (my own or individual's). Contrary to the false information that may be spread by privileged people on HN, the vast majority of such contracts available have relatively modest budgets. And it is vastly easier to get this kind of work online than projects that are well-funded. So it comes down to a few factors for me. I have always had some socialization problems. I am usually pretty broke. Going anywhere is going to end up costing easily $20-30. On the weekend it could be closer to $40 just for the Lyft rides (I work remotely and sold my car in 2013). When I am broke it doesn't make sense to go out. It's very unwise in fact. But beyond that, even online I am tired of saying something to the affect of "I have a lot of hope for the income from this latest startup". So telling people honestly how it's going is kind of a bummer for them unless I lie. Now I am trying hard to get my GPT4 powered VMs out. But even though I have plans for a lot of controls and screening, I believe that people will try to cancel this effort due to supposed safety concerns (again mediated by prompts and screening). And then others with better connections and funding will replicate the effort with inferior safety controls but better marketing for them. HN is the closest thing I get to a real social effort. Most of my comments aren't appreciated much. But I am authentic if nothing else.

charlieyu1 4y ago

Living really isn't that expensive once you have the home cost covered. Some people also work enough to cover the bills.