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Looking at the relevant tweet: https://twitter.com/earcity/status/1638582541706829824 https://twitter.com/earcity/status/1638582541706829824 It's not just add

Looking at the relevant tweet: https://twitter.com/earcity/status/1638582541706829824 https://twitter.com/earcity/status/1638582541706829824 It's not just adding teeth it's actually changing the facial features which seems completely insane to me. Is it just me? Like this is a terrible application of this technology.

jeron 4y ago
Samsung features have always overpromised, undelivered. Remember the facial unlock that would allow a photo of someone to unlock the phone?
- barbazoo 4y ago
  That was a thing with one of the later Google Nexus phones, too.
  - MBCook 4y ago
    Didn’t Windows have the same issue too?
    - barbazoo 4y ago
      The mobile OS? Did that even have face unlock? I don't recall that being a thing.
  - Gigachad 4y ago
    Android added face unlock way back around 2012 for the Nexus 7 which was incredibly insecure. I think they eventually removed it.
- flangola7 4y ago
  Pixels are pixels. How is a camera supposed to know if a face is real or a color print? Facial recognition is a bunch of snake oil
  - kalleboo 4y ago
    Apple uses a laser infrared dot projector. Other manufacturers cheap out on that part, or prioritize design (no notch/camera hole) over security.
    - ttt3ts 4y ago
      "Cheaping out" is not the best description. Apple has riddled the space with a ton of patents. https://insights.greyb.com/apple-facial-recognition-patents/ https://insights.greyb.com/apple-facial-recognition-patents/
      - kalleboo 4y ago
        Microsoft is using IR to do Windows Hello so there must be some workaround to the patents.
  - edgyquant 4y ago
    How does Apple do it?
    - jacquesm 4y ago
      "The technology that enables Face ID is some of the most advanced hardware and software that we’ve ever created. The TrueDepth camera captures accurate face data by projecting and analyzing thousands of invisible dots to create a depth map of your face and also captures an infrared image of your face. " https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208108 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208108
  - astrange 4y ago
    How do your eyes do it? (You can do it securely without a lidar by thinking about this.)
- MikusR 4y ago
  You mean the iris unlock? Turned out all those videos were fake. By eiter pressing the fingerprint sensor on the back. Or using a store demo unit.
csomar 4y ago
Yeah, I noticed that. It's making the eyes more asian looking... The Koreans are into something... /joking of course
ssnistfajen 4y ago
Unfortunately excessive retouching/filtering of digital photos has been a significant problem in East Asian cultures and that is spreading elsewhere quickly. Samsung is merely catering to the target market that has a demand for these things because beauty standards in most human societies are messed up.
- hungryforcodes 4y ago
  A problem for who exactly? Asians seem to love it.
  - zht 4y ago
    Do they? It’s highly problematic because it’s basically an arms race. Everyone bemoans it but they do it anyway because otherwise you feel like you can’t compete. It leads to wide spread body dismorphia and severe self image issues
    - bongobingo1 4y ago
      Long term AGI play to make humans progressively less comfortable in meatspace. Reality getting you down? Just plug yourself into the ~~battery~~ Metaverse. Our self-disconnect system has a remarkably low failure rate, we promise.
      - reassembled 4y ago
        Now the Meat-a-verse is something I could get behind.
  - pdntspa 4y ago
    Yes lets defend bullshit beauty standards that make people even less comfortable in their own skin.
    - hungryforcodes 4y ago
      That's your western opinion though.
signal11 4y ago
And this after they were caught “faking” photos of the moon: https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/13/23637401/samsung-fake-moon-photos-ai-galaxy-s21-s23-ultra https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/13/23637401/samsung-fake-moo... To be clear, they’re adding detail that the camera can’t see. What they’re doing is more sophisticated than substituting a reference moon.png in place of your shot, but it’s adding Samsung-provided detail if it detects a moon either way. So if a new crater appeared on the moon tomorrow, their camera would need a software update to capture it.
- edgyquant 4y ago
  > a new crater appeared on the moon tomorrow, their camera would need a software update to capture it. Source? Afaik it was using ANNs to upscale, not dropping in previously taken images.
  - anonymousab 4y ago
    The Reddit user tested at one point by completely removing/whiting-out areas of the image, to remove any possible detail to upscale. And it still manages to create the same sort high detail upscaled image.
  - alpaca128 4y ago
    You cannot upscale something that doesn't exist in the image data. The moon image test involved a massively downsized and blurred image. The detailed information about craters was simply destroyed and cannot be recovered, simple as that. On top they also tested it with a halved copy of the moon in the same picture and only the full moon in the picture got more detailed as the AI didn't recognize the halved moon. Samsung made use of the fact that the moon always looks the same from our perspective as it's tidally locked, meaning image "improvement" algorithms can more or less copy-paste moon surface details into the image (yes, of course it's more complicated than drawing moon.jpg over the picture, but the end result is the same).
    - MikusR 4y ago
      People added additional craters and as long as it was recognized as moon also the added craters were enhanced.
kristopolous 4y ago
These features have been on Asian made phones for a while. Sometimes you'll see a "beautify" filter which will feature things like "lighten skin", "make eyes rounder" or "thin face". I know how strangely offensive this all sounds but it's completely factual - there's some lost in translation thing that is I'm assuming benign and normal in some other culture which comes across as pretty inappropriate and even a bit racist to Americans.
- Dalewyn 4y ago
  Particularly common with selfies, because most people see photos of themselves and think it looks horrible (they're used to seeing themselves mirrored!) and want to "touch up" the picture. Incidentally on a tangential note, this is why most front facing cameras on phones, tablets, and laptops mirror the video feed on your own screen: To trick your brain into thinking you look OK.
  - solarkraft 4y ago
    "trick your brain into thinking you look OK" -> show you the version of your face you're used to, since most people most often look at themselves in ... mirrors.
- practice9 4y ago
  That does sound like there are some remaining effects of colonialism (white=beautiful, etc.)
  - webmobdev 4y ago
    Yes, but it's also historically associated with class too (even in the west) - the lower class had to do manual labour outdoors and thus were exposed to the sun longer. As a result, they tended to be sun burnt and darker. Thus, dark skin was associated with lower class / poverty, and fairer skin implied that the person lead a more a sheltered life (due to their wealth).
    - 4y ago
j16sdiz 4y ago
Just checked twitter thread. Lots of reply was just "so what?" Obviously lots of people just don't care .

jeron 4y ago

Samsung features have always overpromised, undelivered. Remember the facial unlock that would allow a photo of someone to unlock the phone?

barbazoo 4y ago
That was a thing with one of the later Google Nexus phones, too.
- MBCook 4y ago
  Didn’t Windows have the same issue too?
  - barbazoo 4y ago
    The mobile OS? Did that even have face unlock? I don't recall that being a thing.
- Gigachad 4y ago
  Android added face unlock way back around 2012 for the Nexus 7 which was incredibly insecure. I think they eventually removed it.
flangola7 4y ago
Pixels are pixels. How is a camera supposed to know if a face is real or a color print? Facial recognition is a bunch of snake oil
- kalleboo 4y ago
  Apple uses a laser infrared dot projector. Other manufacturers cheap out on that part, or prioritize design (no notch/camera hole) over security.
  - ttt3ts 4y ago
    "Cheaping out" is not the best description. Apple has riddled the space with a ton of patents. https://insights.greyb.com/apple-facial-recognition-patents/ https://insights.greyb.com/apple-facial-recognition-patents/
    - kalleboo 4y ago
      Microsoft is using IR to do Windows Hello so there must be some workaround to the patents.
- edgyquant 4y ago
  How does Apple do it?
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    "The technology that enables Face ID is some of the most advanced hardware and software that we’ve ever created. The TrueDepth camera captures accurate face data by projecting and analyzing thousands of invisible dots to create a depth map of your face and also captures an infrared image of your face. " https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208108 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208108
- astrange 4y ago
  How do your eyes do it? (You can do it securely without a lidar by thinking about this.)
MikusR 4y ago
You mean the iris unlock? Turned out all those videos were fake. By eiter pressing the fingerprint sensor on the back. Or using a store demo unit.

csomar 4y ago

Yeah, I noticed that. It's making the eyes more asian looking... The Koreans are into something... /joking of course

ssnistfajen 4y ago

Unfortunately excessive retouching/filtering of digital photos has been a significant problem in East Asian cultures and that is spreading elsewhere quickly. Samsung is merely catering to the target market that has a demand for these things because beauty standards in most human societies are messed up.

hungryforcodes 4y ago
A problem for who exactly? Asians seem to love it.
- zht 4y ago
  Do they? It’s highly problematic because it’s basically an arms race. Everyone bemoans it but they do it anyway because otherwise you feel like you can’t compete. It leads to wide spread body dismorphia and severe self image issues
  - bongobingo1 4y ago
    Long term AGI play to make humans progressively less comfortable in meatspace. Reality getting you down? Just plug yourself into the ~~battery~~ Metaverse. Our self-disconnect system has a remarkably low failure rate, we promise.
    - reassembled 4y ago
      Now the Meat-a-verse is something I could get behind.
- pdntspa 4y ago
  Yes lets defend bullshit beauty standards that make people even less comfortable in their own skin.
  - hungryforcodes 4y ago
    That's your western opinion though.

signal11 4y ago

And this after they were caught “faking” photos of the moon: https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/13/23637401/samsung-fake-moon-photos-ai-galaxy-s21-s23-ultra https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/13/23637401/samsung-fake-moo... To be clear, they’re adding detail that the camera can’t see. What they’re doing is more sophisticated than substituting a reference moon.png in place of your shot, but it’s adding Samsung-provided detail if it detects a moon either way. So if a new crater appeared on the moon tomorrow, their camera would need a software update to capture it.

edgyquant 4y ago
> a new crater appeared on the moon tomorrow, their camera would need a software update to capture it. Source? Afaik it was using ANNs to upscale, not dropping in previously taken images.
- anonymousab 4y ago
  The Reddit user tested at one point by completely removing/whiting-out areas of the image, to remove any possible detail to upscale. And it still manages to create the same sort high detail upscaled image.
- alpaca128 4y ago
  You cannot upscale something that doesn't exist in the image data. The moon image test involved a massively downsized and blurred image. The detailed information about craters was simply destroyed and cannot be recovered, simple as that. On top they also tested it with a halved copy of the moon in the same picture and only the full moon in the picture got more detailed as the AI didn't recognize the halved moon. Samsung made use of the fact that the moon always looks the same from our perspective as it's tidally locked, meaning image "improvement" algorithms can more or less copy-paste moon surface details into the image (yes, of course it's more complicated than drawing moon.jpg over the picture, but the end result is the same).
  - MikusR 4y ago
    People added additional craters and as long as it was recognized as moon also the added craters were enhanced.

kristopolous 4y ago

These features have been on Asian made phones for a while. Sometimes you'll see a "beautify" filter which will feature things like "lighten skin", "make eyes rounder" or "thin face". I know how strangely offensive this all sounds but it's completely factual - there's some lost in translation thing that is I'm assuming benign and normal in some other culture which comes across as pretty inappropriate and even a bit racist to Americans.

Dalewyn 4y ago
Particularly common with selfies, because most people see photos of themselves and think it looks horrible (they're used to seeing themselves mirrored!) and want to "touch up" the picture. Incidentally on a tangential note, this is why most front facing cameras on phones, tablets, and laptops mirror the video feed on your own screen: To trick your brain into thinking you look OK.
- solarkraft 4y ago
  "trick your brain into thinking you look OK" -> show you the version of your face you're used to, since most people most often look at themselves in ... mirrors.
practice9 4y ago
That does sound like there are some remaining effects of colonialism (white=beautiful, etc.)
- webmobdev 4y ago
  Yes, but it's also historically associated with class too (even in the west) - the lower class had to do manual labour outdoors and thus were exposed to the sun longer. As a result, they tended to be sun burnt and darker. Thus, dark skin was associated with lower class / poverty, and fairer skin implied that the person lead a more a sheltered life (due to their wealth).
  - 4y ago

j16sdiz 4y ago

Just checked twitter thread. Lots of reply was just "so what?" Obviously lots of people just don't care .