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This also happened to me. So I decided to uninstall the snap and “apt install firefox” Guess what I got? A freaking snap. Yes, try it. I’m done with Ubuntu
by sockaddr 4y ago
This also happened to me. So I decided to uninstall the snap and “apt install firefox”
Guess what I got?
A freaking snap. Yes, try it.
I’m done with Ubuntu
- friend_and_foe 4y agoEveryone's done with Ubuntu. It's just not good. Its got a stereotype at this point for being the easy noob distro but that's not even true. Its top to bottom awful and has been for many years.
- Spooky23 4y agoMy favorite fail with Ubuntu is every version changes how DNS configuration works.
- hedora 4y agoThis was my last straw. I installed some 6 month old LTS release, and it had to go through a 2-5 second timeout step on the initial lookup of each new dns name. Then, it would populate a local cache, and work well until the TTL expired or whatever. Anyway, if you are looking for a noob distro, I recommend manjaro. (The AUR packages are extremely unstable, but other than that, it’s pretty competitive with what Ubuntu was 10-15 years ago.)
- Sohcahtoa82 4y ago> manjaro Is Manjaro really that noob-friendly? All I know about Manjaro is that it's based on Arch, which I always understood as being the LEAST noob-friendly distro besides LFS.
- entropicdrifter 4y agoIt's middle-of-the-road IME. Arch with good (but not amazing) defaults and a team that has had a number of controversies that kinda give them a shady vibe overall.
- friend_and_foe 4y agoArch isn't really noob unfriendly, it just requires an intimidating procedure to begin setup, which manjaro used to just do automatically for you, that was basically it's selling point, "arch without manually installing all your software." Now it's just adware and unstable crap, not near as bad as Ubuntu but I won't recommend Manjaro anymore. There are several less noob friendly distributions than Arch, I'd say NixOS, Void and Alpine probably top that list. Theyre great distros but they deviate significantly from what you'd expect from mainstream Linux.
- kop316 4y agoPlease do not use Manjaro. They are known to ship half baked WIP patches that cause massive breakages in their distro. Here is one of their latest instances: https://fosstodon.org/@alyssa@treehouse.systems/110049699665835743 https://fosstodon.org/@alyssa@treehouse.systems/110049699665... I personally have had them ship out WIP patches not meant for production, which has wasted a lot of my (volunteer) time chasing down phantom bugs in software I maintain. This has personally happened to me on at least four different occasions. A lot of other FOSS maintainers I know have similar stories. More info: https://manjarno.snorlax.sh/ https://manjarno.snorlax.sh/
- michaelcampbell 4y agoI have meager needs so I haven't run into (m)any of the issues here, but what's a deb based alternative that isn't meant for absolute stability at the expense of anything modern? (I ask with actual curiosity; I'm ignorant to most distros.)
- gmassman 4y agoFWIW I’ve been using Linux Mint for years and have never had a major issue. Most minor issues are with out of date repository packages which can usually be installed by other means.
- michaelcampbell 4y agoIsn't Mint an ubuntu offshoot, or does it avoid the flatpak/snap issues?
- hoppyhoppy2 4y agoLinux Mint is an Ubuntu offshoot that doesn't use Snaps but does include Flatpak support.
- entropicdrifter 4y agoNot only does it include Flatpak support, but as of 21.1 it can even handle Flatpak updates through the GUI Update Manager alongside .deb packages from standard repos/PPAs.[1] [1] https://linuxmint.com/rel_vera_cinnamon_whatsnew.php https://linuxmint.com/rel_vera_cinnamon_whatsnew.php
- denton-scratch 4y agoSid?
- linux_is_nice 4y agoI've had several people recommend the testing branches of Debian for relatively up-to-date software while still being stable FWIW
- eYrKEC2 4y agoCall me a noob if you like, but I don't like hunting down drivers. Tried to go to debian on my last dev machine upgrade, but reverted straight back to ubuntu. I may be lazy, but I really don't want to hunt down drivers. I'll try debian again next cycle.
- entropicdrifter 4y agoI run Mint on my primary desktop and it's fantastic. What Ubuntu LTS would've become if it had continued to focus on a good desktop experience and pushed Flatpak instead of Snap
- at-fates-hands 4y agoI came here to say this too. Ironically I was about to set up a new Linux Dev machine with Ubuntu and now I'm more inclined to go back to Mint since I never had a bad experience with it. I was fortunate to skip the Gnome 3 days and the Cinnamon and Xfce implementations have been very stable for a while now.
- webkike 4y agoI haven't had trouble with drivers using Fedora in years. RPM fusion handles Nvidia drivers just fine. It's a far cleaner and "noob friendly" distro in my opinion, so long as you're able to google "how to install nvidia drivers fedora"
- GlumWoodpecker 4y agoThis is mostly just a Debian problem, due to their "no non-free software" philosophy, which extends to device drivers. I have never in my days booted a Debian install that worked with wifi out of the box, and I suspect I never will, due to that philosophy.. For that reason, I've stopped trying and I default to Ubuntu (-based) distros instead. All it takes to get rid of snaps forever is `sudo apt purge snapd`.
- kej 4y ago
- five82 4y agoCanonical makes decisions based on their own self interest. Not for their users and not for the benefit of the greater community. That's what drove everyone away.
- raffraffraff 4y agoBut driving everyone away isn't in their own best interest. They're basically shitting in their own well.
- phendrenad2 4y agoThey're probably doing just fine selling support for Ubuntu Server.
- eadmund 4y agoUbuntu can be a bit easier to get a laptop running than Debian (although I personally use Debian). But whenever I see someone running Ubuntu on a server I think that there is a very real competence issue. Ubuntu should be kept as far from the server room, data centre or cloud as possible.
- nightfly 4y agoI've been angry at Canonical for lots of things, but no longer having native apt package for Firefox was forced by Mozilla...
- andrewshadura 4y agoNot true.
- nightfly 4y agoPlease read https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/feature-freeze-exception-seeding-the-official-firefox-snap-in-ubuntu-desktop/24210 https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/feature-freeze-exception-seed...
- tehbeard 4y ago*sigh Another firefox blunder to add to their growing list.
- tuukkah 4y agoIf someone (Ubuntu) wants to package and distribute free software (Firefox) in their own format (Snap), the upstream maintainers (Mozilla) shouldn't hinder it no matter how bad the format is - it's not their job.
- nightfly 4y agoPeople are free to distribute Firefox however they want... Without the logo and Firefox branding. If they want to distribute it _as_ Firefox they have to meet Mozilla's conditions
- tuukkah 4y agoYes, Mozilla (and any other upstream maintainer who owns a trademark on free software) can set such conditions but no, it's not their job.
- Filligree 4y agoFedora's really nice. Try it~ Alternately, I could shill for NixOS. It's also really nice. Eventually.
- kibwen 4y agoNote that Fedora has an immutable version of the OS that's similar in intent to NixOS. It's called Fedora Silverblue.
- Filligree 4y agoI've tried it. And while I'm not sure why, its updater never worked for me -- hung while downloading, I think, but there was no feedback. Honestly, I prefer NixOS. It's far more configurable, which is a nice thing to have in an immutable OS.
- cozzyd 4y agoyes, I tried Ubuntu briefly in 2006 before switching to the Fedora/EL ecosystem since then. Fedora seems to have won every "battle" so far (systemd vs upstart, gnome-shell vs. unity, etc.)
- spaniard89277 4y agoI went for OpenSuse & Linux Mint, no complaints.
- alias_neo 4y agoIt is possible to get an apt package, you have to jump through a few hoops but it can be done; I do it every time I install Ubuntu (frequently) because I won't touch that snap shite again. I can't move work off of Ubuntu; it's too embedded now, but I'm looking for something else for home. Switching distro-base isn't so easy when you've been using it for decades though; I tried NixOS but it wasn't comfortable (Nix is a steep learning curve), though their community is top notch, and everything I do is deb based. Looking for a way to get a modern debian (something akin to non-LTS Ubuntu) or just go all out and switch to something Arch based like EndeavourOS.
- ttctciyf 4y agoManjaro was a very smooth transition from an ubuntu-based system (neon, in fact) for me.
- alias_neo 4y agoI ran Manjaro on my gaming desktop for a couple of years but I hated KDE, it felt so clunky, always misbehaving compared to Gnome where I've had relatively few issues.
- ttctciyf 4y agoYou can choose the desktop before install time: Gnome, XFCE, and KDE have official support; just download the appropriate ISO from https://manjaro.org/download/ https://manjaro.org/download/
- Iolaum 4y agoI moved from Ubuntu to Fedora when Canonical started pushing snaps 4 years after the auto update debacle that's also mentioned elsewhere here. Couldn't be happier. Key differences I noticed: - apt vs dnf - Intalling on a new computer. Would totally recommend.
- beardbound 4y agoI’ve been considering switching and haven’t used fedora in years. I’ll have to give it another chance. Snap has seriously annoyed me.
- unicornporn 4y agoLooking at the responses to this post, a more expected headline would've been “Ubuntu stops shipping Snap by default”.
- jrsj 4y agoIf they actually wanted Ubuntu desktop usage to go up instead of down this is exactly what they would have done
- jrsj 4y agoI can't recommend EndeavourOS enough. You get all the good parts of Arch with an easy to use graphical installer, XFCE or another DE + great Nvidia support out of the box.
- colordrops 4y agoAnd if you are down to install and configure your distro from the CLI, NixOS is amazing.
- jrsj 4y agoIt's not really what I would want on the desktop, but I did mess around with it a little and it's pretty interesting. Next time I need to set up a server for something I think I'll probably use it.
- vetinari 4y agoNot userfriendly at all, but there is a solution: sudo tee <<EOF /etc/apt/preferences.d/firefox-no-snap >/dev/null Package: firefox* Pin: release o=Ubuntu* Pin-Priority: -1 EOF sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mozillateam/ppa sudo apt update sudo apt install firefox I'm getting old for this; Canonical is getting Microsoft's manners.
- TazeTSchnitzel 4y agoOh so that's why both the Snap and the APT-installed versions of VLC were broken, they were the same one???
- ur-whale 4y ago> A freaking snap Here's how to properly install firefox on ubuntu https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/04/how-to-install-firefox-deb-apt-ubuntu-22-04 https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/04/how-to-install-firefox-d... and, once you're done: apt-get purge snapd
- raffraffraff 4y agoThis was what made me find an alternative distro. When I say "apt install", I mean "apt install"
- blacksmith_tb 4y agoYes, I followed this procedure[1] to get a real .deb version again, which has been working fine. 1: https://fostips.com/ubuntu-21-10-two-firefox-remove-snap/ https://fostips.com/ubuntu-21-10-two-firefox-remove-snap/
- dzamo_norton 4y agoCome back to Debian (testing, if you want new package versions).
- ElCapitanMarkla 4y agoI had to do this, after an update installed the snap version. I had crashes, UI that wouldn't render, all sorts of deal breaking bugs. And I don't really care how I have to install something, as long as it's painless. No idea why the snap copy had those issues but 0 issues with the apt.