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Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage
- a_c 4y agoI don't know if banning lab grown meat can protect Italian food heritage or of their food heritage is at risk at all. But as someone living in the UK and loving Italian food, please do whatever to keep Italian food great.
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- bl4ckm0r3 4y agoI am italian, not sure i agree with this. I would have rather allow it (even if I would have probably not bought lab grown meat) and be sure it's well communicated during the sale (either on the package or from the vendor in case it's a butcher shop). Especially because we can't ban Monsanto's GMOs and I don't see how this is worse...
- bovermyer 4y agoYeah, allowing Monsanto or other seed tyrants to operate with impunity is not indicative of protecting "food heritage." This is just another example of an old but still powerful industry attacking what it perceives as a threat. The same sort of thing happened to absinthe in France, and that campaign was so successful absinthe became taboo for over a century.
- pfdietz 4y agoGMO banning is another example of protectionism masquerading as something else. The demonization of Monsanto is diagnostic of the derangement/dishonesty.
- bovermyer 4y agoI'm not in favor of banning GMOs, incidentally. The part of the-company-formerly-known-as-Monsanto I take issue with is their predatory practices, like suing farmers for inadvertently cross-pollinating their crops from Monsanto-copyrighted seeds from a neighboring farmer's fields.
- pfdietz 4y agoYou're being a useful fool here, repeating that outright lie, which has been well debunked even here on HN. The scoundrels committing this blood libel against Monsanto and GMOs count on people like you to propagate their poison.
- yamtaddle 4y ago> The scoundrels committing this blood libel against Monsanto and GMOs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel Ahem. Dafuq?
- bovermyer 4y ago"Blood libel?" What in the actual f**? Well, if you're going to be antisemitic, then we're done here. Maybe consider getting some help.
- pfdietz 4y agoI'm being the opposite of antisemitic. Perhaps you could cry "Godwin" and make sense.
- mrguyorama 4y agoComparing people being fooled by propaganda to "Blood libel" is atrocious and just as stupid, hollow, and heartless as the american conservatives who said not being able to get a haircut during the pandemic was comparable to the holocaust. Get a fucking break man. You can educate people that GMOs aren't on their own a danger and that there is a lot of misinformation about these things without being a miserable asshole.
- psychoslave 4y agoI guess it's far worst from a Monsanto point of view, which has surly more efficient lobbyists
- warrenm 4y agoI'm sure you just missed typing the 'e' ... but a group of arrogant, impetuous, fierce looking lobbyists made my morning :)
- nemo44x 4y agoI am not Italian but think it’s a step in the right direction, but overreaches. I think they should make it law that synthetic meat can’t be called “meat” and that insect ‘flour’ can’t be called “flour”. And should have to be prefaced with “unnatural food product” or similar on all sides of packaging.
- 000ooo000 4y agoDefine 'natural product'. I bet there are thousands of items on shelves now that aren't 'natural' but still escape this scrutiny, just due to having been around a while and flying under the radar.
- fbn79 4y agoAs another Italiano I can totally confirm this.You can find here the most disparate and crazy proposals that are just clickbait nor will never be approved.
- AlecSchueler 4y agoCould you explain your reasoning? The unnatural food product stickers sounds like a health warning but for what? I already buy stuff like oat milk and it never bothered me that it's not actually milk. Same with plant based butters etc
- nemo44x 4y agoWell, it’s unnatural to begin with. Other good movements like “organic” worked hard for that label and the producers of those products work hard. I don’t believe oat milk should be allowed to use the word “milk” and if it wants to then should be prefaced with words describing it as “imitation milk” or similar.
- __void 4y ago> Especially because we can't ban Monsanto's GMOs and I don't see how this is worse... why should GMOs and Monsanto, which has now been taken over and is one of the lesser producers, be banned? and why do we always have to make ourselves known with our mediocrity of repeated bar ideas, dear fellow Italian?
- bl4ckm0r3 4y agoThanks for the free-of-charge judgement, i am not against GMOs, I am against monsanto policies and monopoly that are sales focused and not quality focused (like gmos that only last one crop so you have to buy them again :) ). We tried to block them but eventually they won the right to sell. I just used that as an example on how we allow terrible companies and their terrible product (not gmo in general) to be sold, but not lab produced meat...it seems a bit weird to me!
- mdrzn 4y agoItalian here: that's such a stupid move. They recently got scared with a couple articles about how some types of flour or dyes are made with animals and "insects", this triggered a bigger discussion about real food and fake food and now they have had to make this power move to show the people that they want to "respect" Italian history and food heritage. Soooo dumb.
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- 000ooo000 4y agoIf food heritage is so important to the people of Italy, and they agree that lab-grown meat is vastly inferior for all of the claimed reasons, I imagine lab-grown meat as a product would just flop. Why ban it, unless it's all just political theatre?
- cmrdporcupine 4y agoSounds like you answered your own question. Conservative national-chauvinist gov't enacts national-chauvinist legislation. It's "throwing red meat to your base" ... except actually literally, not metaphorically.
- briandear 4y agoIf “climate” is so important to the people of California, and they agree that the ICE vehicle is vastly inferior for all the claimed reasons, I imagine ICE vehicles as a product would just flop. Why ban it, unless it’s all just political theater?
- wolfi008 4y agoPollutants of your ICE are hurting others, while the taste of meat is solely on the consumer themselves. That's why you are being downvoted.
- stu2b50 4y agoNegative externalities require external interference in market economies to produce the socially optimal outcome. Climate change and pollution are clear examples of negative externalities. As it happens, the farming of meat actually has severe negative externalities in this case. If anything, it's farmed meat that should be restricted by the government in that model.
- __void 4y agobecause in government right now are far-right populists who have to distract the masses from the fact that they are not doing anything they promised in the election campaign in recent months the issues have been banning rave parties, banning documents for children of lgbt couples and war on cricket flour
- kubb 4y agoBBC journos have a specific editorial style, and no doubt it influenced this headline, but this isn't to "protect food heritage". Food and drink accounts for a quarter of Italy's GDP. It's about money. Italy has a far-right government, which is extremely open to lobbying from that sector, and "heritage" is aligned with their nationalistic stance. Try to look a bit deeper.
- scratcheee 4y agoYeah, pretty dubious phrasing. On the other hand, "protect food heritage" is so obviously a reframing that I didn't even concider that as the whole story.
- lm28469 4y agoYou don't have to be "far right" or "nationalistic" to not want to destroy your economy
- deergomoo 4y agoThis seems no different than the ridiculous laws proposed in some US states recently that would ban EV sales to protect the oil and gas industries. I’m sorry that people could one day lose jobs over this, but if lab-grown meat is proven to be a safe and cost/energy/carbon efficient alternative to raising and killing animals, then it would be insane to not pursue that.
- sokoloff 4y agoWe could have equally banned internal combustion engines to protect the steam engine and buggy whip industries or phase change refrigeration to protect the jobs of the ice delivery companies.
- jacquesm 4y agoNot quite a ban on ICEs but nevertheless analog attempts were made: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_flag_traffic_laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_flag_traffic_laws These laws didn't last long, fortunately, and ostensibly they were to protect cattle, horses and carriage riders but clearly the idea was to slow the car down to the speed of a pedestrian effectively hobbling it to the point that driving a car didn't make sense.
- CalRobert 4y agoInstead, we made our cities so unpleasant and poorly designed that walking doesn't make sense.
- bluGill 4y agoBut we made it possible to get to a lot more things in our cities than you can by walking, and enjoy a lot more space. A walk only city is not a pleasant place to live. Your counter to the above should be building more transit. However in the English speaking world we are incompetent in that these decades, and we refuse to learn from anyone else.
- dotsam 4y agoOn the topic of food traditions in Italy: 'Everything I, an Italian, thought I knew about Italian food is wrong', in the FT recently - https://archive.is/4gwGh#selection-1454.0-1454.1 https://archive.is/4gwGh#selection-1454.0-1454.1
- youngNed 4y agothis article is what i thought of when i saw this post to HN. I am dying to hear an Italian tell me how controversial this opinion / person is and what conversation is around it/him
- __void 4y agothat article here in italy sparked endless controversy, low-level dumbass jokes and even some minor politicians had to have their stupid say; obviously, as italians, no one read the article or even a single line. that said, for those in the industry, nothing in that article is new. regarding some things about food, here in italy the rule is don't ask and don't tell
- Digit-Al 4y agoInteresting. Thanks. I think the following was particularly pertinent: > Indeed it’s hard to imagine that people who survived the second world war eating chestnuts, as my grandfather did, would be concerned about using pork jowl instead of pork belly in a pasta recipe. Or as Grandi puts it, “Their ‘tradition’ was trying not to starve.” I think it's wise to remember that for most of history the majority of people have been too poor to be picky.
- riffraff 4y agofun fact, the draft decree (yet to be presented to the parliament and voted upon, and likely to get lost there as this is mostly a propaganda stunt) seeks to ban "food derived from cultured vertebrate cells". So technically if you can derive meat from slugs, you're good.
- meepmorp 4y ago> So technically if you can derive meat from slugs, you're good. That's basically escargot, right?
- thanatropism 4y agoUnpopular opinion: some controversial cultural heritages need protection. I single out tauromachy, which is incomprehensible to most, moreso the younger generations. The world is a tangle of Chesterton fences, and our righteous moral clariy is our own's worst enemy.
- meghan_rain 4y ago> The world is a tangle of Chesterton fences, and our righteous moral clariy is our own's worst enemy. Intersting take.
- 000ooo000 4y agoProtection from what? A majority forming around updated views on what's acceptable? Laughable
- dTal 4y agoYou're going to need to provide some justification for your unpopular opinion.
- 9dev 4y agoI wonder whether you’d say if tauromachy was about killing cute animals, or even humans. For the life of me, I cannot understand what is there to protect about killing other living beings for joy or taste.
- awestroke 4y agoSounds like a law that is incompatible with EU.
- Fragoel2 4y agoI think for now there's no EU law on the subject. When there will be one it will of course override the national one.
- fnmron 4y agoReally, how? Where does that sound come from?
- arlort 4y agoOne of the EU pillars is free movement of goods, meaning that you generally can't prevent someone from a different country from selling goods in your country. This means that the decree is either incompatible with EU law, or it is pointless as you'd just be killing your own domestic market while exposing yourself to other EU countries anyway GP's mistake was assuming that this isn't pure virtue signalling, the decree is compatible with EU law because it applies only to italian producers
- fnmron 4y agoSo if netherlands legalizes marijuana then Greece can't outlaw it because EU law? Seems pretty absurd! States have the right to set standards on the market regardless of Brussels.
- Fragoel2 4y agoAs an Italian, I can tell you this is just a move to grab some votes from their supporters. Lab meat is nowhere close to mass production so there is no real impact of this ban right now. When (and if) lab-grown meat becomes commonplace and, hence, cheaper than regular meat then the ban will be reverted as it would have negative implications on the country economy.
- hackernewds 4y agoSeems like conjecture on multiple different fronts
- capableweb 4y agoI'm not saying this ban is right or not, but if you're gonna ban something, doesn't it make sense to do it as early as possible, in order to minimize the negative effects from the ban itself? If alcohol was to be banned today, we'll probably see protests and black markets appearing very quickly. But if alcohol was just invented yesterday and today a ban is implemented, the reaction would be much smaller. In that view, it makes sense to ban as early as possible, when the ban as the least amount of effect and used as prevention, rather than to hammer down something that is already large. But again, I think the whole ban is stupid, just trying to understand why it'd be implemented so early.
- mrguyorama 4y agoIf the ban itself is stupid, there is no justification or argument for banning it ASAP
- throw_pm23 4y agoSomething can be a populist vote-grab and a good idea at the same time.
- magic_hamster 4y agoLab grown red meat is actually closer than you think. Factories are being set up around the world. My guess is that in around a year, two years tops, you'd be able to see some general availability.
- andrewclunn 4y agoA nation that has a huge investment in food production establishes protectionist policies to secure those industries in the name of protecting its culture and its people's livelihood. Whether people on "the left" or "the right" agree or disagree comes down to the industry in question and never has anything to do with principle. Hypocrites all the way down.
- qikInNdOutReply 4y agoImagine the scandals of tomorrow. "Animal activists smuggle vat-grown prosciutto into gourmet food tasting. Recieve highest acclaim."
- 000ooo000 4y ago"Anti-vegan sausage expert tricked on live TV" https://youtu.be/Di55DEnNkUs https://youtu.be/Di55DEnNkUs
- ReptileMan 4y agoGood idea. Europe has enough fertile land to feed itself without GMO or lab grown stuff. No need to take long tail risks.
- pfdietz 4y agoOk, but then Europe should expect the rest of the world to neither conduct free trade with it, nor subsidize its defense. You want those benefits? You don't block out the products of our highly productive agriculture.
- ReptileMan 4y agoBanning a whole class of product is not protectionism. Especially ones with dubious safety and unknown long term effects. You are totally free to raise cattle and grains the normal way and ship them to Europe. We love black angus steaks here.
- mantas 4y agoEh. With all the „green“ stuff making euro food production expensive... All of that import shall be taxed through the roof.
- mantas 4y agoWhat's next, don't block your highly productive industry with CO2 import taxes?
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- kfk 4y agoI was reading somewhere that Poland will overtake Italy in GDP pro capita in 10-20 years. True or not Poland is doing much better than Italy already. I think it’s interesting that a country that was 50 years under a dictatorship was able to take over on a country that has not only had freedom and democracy, but also help and financial support from US and EU. Italy is not hungry for growth and it keeps consuming whatever capital is left. The ban on lab grown meat is basically that, no interest in growth or change, no interest in working for a better future, just nostalgia and protecting the “past”.
- JoeAltmaier 4y agoIt's one data point, sure. But it would take more than a passing resistance to lab-grown meat to convince me of some national character flaw. Maybe overstated?
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- hdhrufjdi 4y agoThough the lab grown meat dream in itself represents nostalgia, protecting the past and no interest in change as well (you could very well switch to a more plant based diet)
- gpderetta 4y agoItaly was a dictatorship not that far back, and the current government is in power primarily because fascist sympathies were never eradicated in the country. So yes, you are indeed right. -- an emigrated Italian.
- nforgerit 4y agoItaly was the lab for modern populism in politics for 20-30 years. The nation is suffering from corrupt politicians like Berlusconi having tight bonds with the mafia. Don't put this on "the people" who can barely do much if the whole system is undermined by their leadership for decades.
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- javajosh 4y agoYes, you must protect Italy's famous indigenous foods, especially tomatoes.
- InCityDreams 4y ago...why bring The Netherlands into this?
- anonyfox 4y agoexactly the laws a rightwing government would create, protectionism at its best. meanwhile many countries around will build up the new high-tech industries and once surpassing the "traditional" thing in price/quality/quantity/coolness/... leave the protectionist in the dust. short term populism, long term damages, as always
- justinzollars 4y ago> short term populism, long term damages, as always I worked for a lab grown meat company and the CEO would give "Lab Grown Foie gras" to the media and investors, that was actually Foie gras. They could feel good about climate change, and he would take your money. Have you ever looked into the inefficiency of a bioreactor? Probably not.
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- DaveSchmindel 4y agoA family member of mine used to be a buyer for the Italian foods department of a mid-market grocery chain in the US. His merchant for San Marzano tomatoes was a really down-to-earth dude. Occasionally, he would host my family member at his villa(s) in south-central mainland Italy. After just a couple of visits and tours of a few farms, it became clear to my family member that the business model of his supplier was more or less a legal Mafia, and the people at the top had a stranglehold on the farmers. I'm sure that _some sort_ of heritage will be protected with this ban.
- wiz21c 4y agoLess meat but better meat (yeah, provided it's not junk meat disguized in "heritage"-dress) , I can vote for that.
- JoeAltmaier 4y agoFolks will cry "Protectioninsts!" and "Luddites!" with glee. This issue is a fish in a barrel for simple views. Maybe it's more complicated. Maybe it's a good idea to put some kind of timeline on upsetting entire industries, overturning whole components of the economy and job market, maybe tap the brakes from time to time. Just thinking the world economy is maybe complicated, and everybody shouting about ideals mightn't be the best way to adjust this enormous system.
- pizzaknife 4y ago./dead cows: THEY TOOK OUR JOBS
- JodieBenitez 4y agoDon't ban it but make it very clear on the package what it is. Transparency is key.
- hdhrufjdi 4y agoI think you should do that as well for meat of animals that once lived, perhaps even with images (of the reality of course)
- JodieBenitez 4y agoYes, my butcher does that. When you enter the shop you have a beautiful picture of the cow that was used, as well as where it comes from.
- hdhrufjdi 4y agoWouldn't look that beautiful usually (90+% the cases)
- JodieBenitez 4y agoYes, but when you raise your cattle in the best conditions you get the best meat. And I only want the best meat. That 10% basically.
- Barrin92 4y agoIf traditional food production is such a foundation of Italian culture, why exactly do you need to ban synthetic products rather than merely demanding they be labeled cleary so that people can make an informed decision? The weakness of these culture warrior-ish positions is always proportionate to how quickly its proponents reach for the law.
- Waterluvian 4y agoThis kind of move is unfair to all the historical careers that weren’t protected from technological evolution.
- VoodooJuJu 4y agoJust seems like grandstanding, but it's a strange issue to grandstand over. Lab-grown meat isn't even remotely competitive with real meat, neither economically, nor aesthetically, nor nutritionally. The differentiating selling point for lab-grown is "cruelty-free", and the largest cohort who this selling point appeals to is vegans, who are a relatively small cohort anyway. Real meat and lab-grown aren't even in the same market - they're each targeting completely different prospects. Does the Italian government seriously think it's a threat?
- exabrial 4y agoI don’t care if it’s sold, as long as it’s clearly and exclusively labeled. Leave the choice to the consumer. I will not be partaking. I already try and limit my processed food intake, and this represents and entirely new problem.
- throwaway22032 4y agoI have no idea why people on here are so against this. It just reinforces the fact that we're so different. Politically divided. I just want meat. Actual meat from normal animals. I have no idea why this is controversial. I don't get any of it. A solution in search of a problem.
- staunton 4y agoThe issue is that mean production has externalities (e.g. climate, labor conditions, environment, biodiversity, animal suffering), some of which we will soon no longer be able to ignore. We can insist on ignoring the problems for as long as possible but that's still not forever. Eventually we will have to start paying the "real price", which would mean that meat gets a lot more expensive, as it used to be a few hundred years ago. But people will not like paying 3x for meat. They will have to eat less of it or look for alternatives, including insect-based foods. Such alternatives shouldn't be blanket-banned without good reason. (Not that I believe lab mean will be cheaper than animal meat any time soon)
- throwaway22032 4y agoHouses are too "consumptive", live in a pod. Not for me.
- pella 4y agoTLDR: The Italians only want to participate as a control group in a study of the long-term health risks of lab-grown meat. And they want to preserve the Mediterranean diet.
- voidee 4y agoItaly: The population is projected to drop from 60.5 million in 2020 to 54.4 million in 2050, a 10.1% decline. Hopefully they don’t ban lab grown people!
- gpderetta 4y agothey are not very tasty anyway.
- nickdothutton 4y agoAre we counting on the same regulatory authorities to determine the safety of lab meat as we did for things like the food pyramid, sugar intake, and so on?
- _the_inflator 4y agoA small reminder, that it does not cut the mustard in regards to climate protection, if we save guard any kind of meat consumption: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impacts_of_animal_agriculture https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impacts_of_ani... Besides that, lab-grown meat is still what I consider junk food.
- sickitaboy 4y agoFYI.. italy banned PRODUCTION of lab-grown meat.. but not IMPORTATION. We have a similar law for banning GMO, we cannot produce them but we purchase them from nations outside italy. pretty silly uh?
- kelipso 4y agoMight be because it'll cause issues with EU or WTO trade rules.
- lormayna 4y agoI am Italian, so I can provide a bit of context to better understand this decision. The right-wing government won the election with few key promises: reject the immigrants coming by the sea with a naval block, a sort of victimhood against UE that want to "fight" Italian habits (like forcing us to eat worms instead of pasta), and penalize Italian companies (like force Italy to liberalize sectors like taxi licenses or bathhouse concessions). Right now, the situation with illegal immigration is out of control and we are approaching a new record in the arrives with many tragic wrecks; moreover UE is menacing Italy to get back the funds from NextGenerationUE because the government is not able to spend them on the right way and time. So, as a populistic politician, what is the best solution to divert public opinion and keep consensus high? Talking about an attack on our traditions and our food. It's just internal propaganda, nothing more by someone that would like to live in the 80s
- giraffe_lady 4y agoSorry which wing?
- lormayna 4y agoJust a typo that I corrected, of course is right-wing.
- giraffe_lady 4y agoSorry I wasn't trying to be shitty, I'm just moderately ignorant of italian politics but aware that internal political vocabulary doesn't always line up with external expectations. Also, idk, maybe there is a much more right party I'd never heard of. Or like, I would describe the US as having a center-right party and a far-right party, could be a rhetorical choice like that. Anyway thanks for the clarification.
- lormayna 4y ago> Also, idk, maybe there is a much more right party I'd never heard of. There are, but luckily they are not relevant and outside of Parliament.
- pmontra 4y agoIf and when lab grown meat will be a thing for the masses, Italy will follow suit because "Italy would not be able to oppose the sale of synthetic meat produced within the EU when it does gain EU approval, because of the free movement of goods and services." Furthermore governments change and legislation follows them. Anyway, people will decide which kind of meat they prefer. Taste, cost, availability, etc. Italy didn't have to ban Starbucks when they eventually opened in the country. It did no harm to its espresso heritage. Some people went to Starbucks, nearly everybody didn't, even in the few cities where they had a shop. I think they have less than 20 shops in all the country. Espresso is still well alive, bars survived Covid, Starbucks too.
- xdennis 4y ago> Italy would not be able to oppose the sale of synthetic meat produced within the EU when it does gain EU approval, because of the free movement of goods and services. I'm not a EU expert, but I think freedom of movement means you can't ban based on country of origin, not that you can't ban a product generally.
- pchangr 4y agoI believe you are right as there are various products that can be bought in Poland that are not available in Germany and there’s a booming industry of specialized shops right in the border for this kind of products.
- whateveracct 4y agoImagine a hypothetical world where lab-grown meat and real meat taste the same and cost the same (externalities and animal cruelty accounted for) Which is better? On the one hand, there is no death and killing with lab grown meat. On the other hand, there is less life as well. Is it better for all those cows and chickens to never live at all than live and be killed for food? I'm not sure.
- Anyhao 4y agoDepends on your perspective. - A scarcity based mindset would argue that more life is inherently bad, see Malthus. - A longtermist would argue that more life at any cost is better because it increases the statistical likelihood that some good would happen even as it increases the scope of potential catastrophe. - An existentialist would argue that a life of captivity, born to die with no right to self-determination is not a life worth living - Socrates would likely argue it doesn't matter because the chickens and the cows won't examine their life to extract any meaning at all - Utilitarians would say people are getting fed either way, so go for the most efficient means. - etc etc This is a question of subjective valuation, and as such will never have a definite answer. It will also be subject to whatever framework the reader subscribes to. The questions surrounding environmental impact, scale, food pipeline stability, et al are more measurable and able to deliver a quantitative "better or worse" conclusion given sufficient framing. To my mind that makes them more interesting.
- magic_hamster 4y agoWhy is it that populism, no matter the country, field or language, is always painfully stupid?
- virtualritz 4y agoThis is comical. Even when ignoring any ethical reasons. I'd would dare guess that climate change will make farming animals much less feasible in many parts of Italy in the very near future. Lab-grown meat will become the only option for cash-strapped locals who want to cook (and thus preserve) local cusine meat dishes. Meat from livestock will have become too expensive for most people by then. I.e. when that happens you have to decide what 'heritage' you want to preserve: parts of Italian cusine that require meat to prepare or farming animals for meat production. The amount of water required to produce meat from livestock then will be so much that people will suffer water shortages because of it.
- AzzieElbab 4y agoHow much do you know about Italian farming? It is very different from US. Consumption is also declining due to demographics
- virtualritz 4y agoI have an Italian friend who runs a food business (aperitivo boxes) with locally sourced, organic products from Basilicata (he is from that region). I helped him out quite a bit when he launched it which included taking a detailed look at each producer that he ultimately selected. I lived in Veneto on a farm for almost a year in 2008/2009. So I would say I have above average knowledge about farming in this country.
- AzzieElbab 4y agoOk. As someone who knows more about the subject than I do, how would you estimate the impact of Italian agriculture on climate change?
- virtualritz 4y agoFrankly, I have no idea. I was talking about the opposite. The impact of climate change on Italian agriculture. The whole south of Europe will be severely affected very soon. The research/reports is/are public[1]. For the actual telltale signs just read any serious European news outlet these days. [1] For example: https://publications.jrc.ec.europa.eu/repository/handle/JRC133025 https://publications.jrc.ec.europa.eu/repository/handle/JRC1...
- User23 4y agoEating cancer is a hard no for me and that’s what lab grown meat from “immortalized” cell cultures is.