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Banksy ship saving migrants at sea detained in Italy for 'breaking rules'
- emptyfile 4y ago[dead]
- xwdv 4y agoHow does Banksy have so much money?
- dopidopHN 4y agoSelling goods and services for money? Plus, it looks like a relatively humble boat, compared to the numerous superyachs you see a few hours sailing away in Cannes / Nice / St Tropez for instance
- 6510 4y agohah, his works are worth millions. edit: He should just buy 10 more boats and ignore the bureaucrats. People would probably give him money to do it. (I would)
- expotesticle 4y ago[flagged]
- expotesticle 4y ago[flagged]
- nickthegreek 4y agoTheir art sells for millions and they have several published books.
- yamtaddle 4y agoI'd expect it's some combination of "can sharpie a rock and immediately sell it for a hundred thousand dollars" and rich patrons who are willing to fund things like this to say they did a project with Banksy.
- Santanlan 4y agoWhy is breaking rules in quotation marks? They did break the rules....
- potsandpans 4y agodo you really not understand it? or are you asking a rhetorical question to make some kind of point?
- bruceb 4y ago"the far-right government led by Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni" amusing how no leader is ever referred to as far left.
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- cwmma 4y agoBecause they call those socialist or communist governments. The real question is why they call them far-right and not something else.
- ljf 4y agoBecause fascist is too loaded? Nationalist doesn't really cover the ideals this party represents. I wonder if this party would agree with 'far-right' as a descriptor? Some political movements here in the UK are (sadly) happy to be called far-right and trade on it.
- burkaman 4y agoMeloni does not like being described as far-right, but I think it's an especially sensitive term in Italy as that's the birthplace of fascism.
- wongarsu 4y agoI think Giorgia Meloni isn't that opposed to the term Fascism, as long as it's clear that she doesn't share Mussolini's ideas on race. > Some political movements here in the UK are (sadly) happy to be called far-right and trade on it. Which is good, we should encourage honest labeling of political parties. The bad thing isn't that these parties are far-right or that they call themselves far-right, but that people vote for far-right parties (I would extend the same to far-left, in a European context). That problem won't go away by calling them something else though.
- YellowStuDregg 4y agoI see it frequently used in the context of Podemos or Syriza
- expotesticle 4y agoUsing quotes and using derogatory words like far-right, many think they are entitled to skip using logically sound arguments
- ausbah 4y agoItaly's government is far right, it's the most rightward government since WW2
- expotesticle 4y ago[flagged]
- ljf 4y agoSerious question, Do you not know of the the terms left and right wing politics? Have you not previously heard of far-right, or do you feel it does not apply to this party? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics Just trying to ascertain exactly your issue with the term.
- kurthr 4y agoWell it seems like large institutions like Foreign Policy understand what it means. https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/11/24/italy-meloni-government-far-right/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/11/24/italy-meloni-government... “Yes, neofascists were ‘criminalized’ because they were bombing trains,” said David Broder. The new government, he added, “seems to be under the strange impression that neofascism was ‘criminalized’ by others rather than ‘criminal’ when its members planned terrorist attacks and coups.”
- goodcanadian 4y agoThe Italian coast guard accused the ship of “complicating a delicate rescue coordination operation” and putting more pressure on the migrant reception centre in Lampedusa. The first part is sort of plausible. Having a bunch of cowboys running around can be a big headache for coordination, but the second part? Um, yeah, I guess live migrants do put more pressure on the reception centre than dead ones.
- wongarsu 4y agoEvery dead migrant reduces pressure on the reception centre by some number greater than one, by discouraging other people from trying the same journey. But if we want to be more charitable, the comment could also be about how Italy tries to find ways to rescue people and dump them on the African side of the Mediterranean instead of in Italy, while the Banksy ship doesn't care about that effort.
- schnitzelstoat 4y agoWill Banksy pay for them to be housed, employ them etc. too?
- TheLoafOfBread 4y agoSorry, that's somebody's else problem. NGOs have high moral ground, this means that they are automatically right. Can't expect them to solve practical things.
- slaw 4y ago> After rescuing a boat of migrants near Libya, So they pickup migrants from Libya and transfer them to Italy. They should be simply jailed.
- adamrezich 4y agono man borders aren't real, you can't see them from space, man, national sovereignty is an antiquated concept man, everyone should just let everyone into their borders who wants in, in as large of quantities as possible, having a high-trust society is an outdated ideal, man, who even wants that anymore? national cohesion, prioritizing the welfare of existing citizens over everyone else—can you even imagine such barbarism? man
- OliverGuy 4y agoFrom the article: brought in rules which ban NGO vessels from performing more than one rescue at sea at a time This seems like a bit of an over reach. Maybe someone can provide some context that is missing in the article 1. If a commercial vessel (container ship etc) finds a migrant boat in need of rescue and then later finds another also in need of rescue, are they supposed to just leave them? 2. How come Italy can dictate what foreign vessels (Banksys ship is registered in German as per the article) do in international waters? How can they prosecute a captain of a vessel for something they did while in international water? (that isn't piracy, or something of that nature)
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- AS37 4y ago> 2. How come Italy can dictate what foreign vessels (Banksys ship is registered in German as per the article) do in international waters? The answer is basically they can because they can. The ship isn't picking people up and delivering them to Germany, they're picking people up and delivering them to Italy. When the ship is docked in Italy it is at the whim of the Italian authorities.
- buraktamturk 4y agoLegally speaking, they can't. It doesn't matter where the ship will be docking. Anything otherwise is a crime against humanity. International laws and EU laws are bigger than any Italian authority and Italian laws that has been ever established.
- fnmron 4y agoNot really, italian law rules in italy, that's out of question.
- buraktamturk 4y agoNot at all. Laws has to be compatible with universal laws, international treaties/laws such as UN Geneva Convention and for Italy also the EU laws. Along many other conditions such as arbitrariness.
- gibspaulding 4y agoI hope that this can get cleared up and the ship can get back out to sea and back to work. I'd been noticing for a while reading Wikipedia's current events that seemingly every week there is at least one case of "boat carrying migrants sinks killing dozens of people". Glancing back, there were 29 reported drowned on the 26th, 5 the 23rd, 14 on the 9th, and 2 on the first. All of these in the Mediterranean. This is ugly.