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> Suggested alternative: The "End Political Corruption Proposal" I'm probably in the minority on HN, but I think this is a good thing. It should be a matter of

> Suggested alternative: The "End Political Corruption Proposal" I'm probably in the minority on HN, but I think this is a good thing. It should be a matter of course, in a democratic society. Free speech doesn't live solely in digital communication (universally owned by some company) any more than it does in the classified ads in a newspaper.

worik 4y ago
It would be world changing, the complete abolition of all privacy. Little drones that followed everybody around, everywhere, broadcasting and storing every thing everybody does, or says, everywhere they go, and what they do. No. I do not recommend it. But the thought experiment is interesting.
- Supermancho 4y ago
  > It would be world changing, the complete abolition of all privacy. > Little drones that followed everybody around, everywhere, broadcasting and storing every thing everybody does, or says, everywhere they go, and what they do. That's an interesting 0-100% (eclipse all possible free speech possibilities!) imaginary scenario. I don't subscribe to it.
- atlgator 4y ago
  It's an opt-in scenario. People aren't forced to be politicians.
  - landoftheice 4y ago
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  - fanagra32 4y ago
    Politics already suffers heavily from not getting the best-of-the-best. Making it even less attractive to become a politician is unlikely to improve upon that. In the totality of all politicians out there that you have an opinion about, which fraction of them do you like, in terms of thinking they are the right person for the job? Do you think this fraction would improve with that opt-in scenario implemented?
    - hutzlibu 4y ago
      "Politics already suffers heavily from not getting the best-of-the-best" It is repeated often, but is this really true? Number 1 trait of a politician should be honesty and integrity in my opinion - and I don't think that you can increase that factor, just with throwing more money on them. Then you maybe just get more smart people, who are in it for the money and use their smarts and cunning to extract even more money. I think politicians should want that job, because they primarily feel the call to achieve something bigger. So a adequate payrise is alright in my opinion, but I don't want the top managers who run a big compony for profit to also run states. As states are (or should not be) profit orientated, but to serve the greater good of its people.
      - _trampeltier 4y ago
        If H. Clinton vs D. Trump or D. Trump vs J. Biden are the only choice for the most powerful politic job in the world .. I think they are really not the-best-of-the-best
        michaelmrose 4y ago
        This is a better argument for the American public making in general poor choices and political parties giving them the kind of people they are apt to vote for rather than paying insufficient salaries.
        atlgator 4y ago
        "Tail wagging the dog" argument.
        michaelmrose 4y ago
        There is no reason to believe that the factor dragging political quality into the gutter is insufficient salaries. The fact that the Republican party turned down higher caliber more capable candidates in favor of trump suggests that candidate quality is limited by voter choice not insufficient compensation. These folks really are in fact deplorable and you need to appeal to at least a substantial minority of awful idiots to be elected president or if on team red most of them. This is why every Republican president in half a century has been an embarrassment and every democratic relatively conservative because nothing else flies here and upping the ante won't help.
  - sidlls 4y ago
    Politicians aren't isolated: the people they interact with would be impacted, too.
- tauwauwau 4y ago
  That is the premise of TV Show Omniscient, I found it interesting. They dont broadcast everything, but data is shared with appropriate authorities https://m.imdb.com/title/tt11542920/ https://m.imdb.com/title/tt11542920/
- lordnacho 4y ago
  I'm not sure privacy as a concept should be off limits. It wasn't always a thing, in fact it's fairly recent. However there's a fairly big leap from "you can't always expect privacy" to "drones recording your whole life".
- kwhitefoot 4y ago
  The thought experiment has been done at novel length by Stephen Baxter: The Light of Other Days, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Light_of_Other_Days https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Light_of_Other_Days In the novel it is extremely disruptive, but perhaps that is what is needed.
dreen 4y ago
I'm with you. For the duration of you holding public office there should be no expectation of privacy.

worik 4y ago

It would be world changing, the complete abolition of all privacy. Little drones that followed everybody around, everywhere, broadcasting and storing every thing everybody does, or says, everywhere they go, and what they do. No. I do not recommend it. But the thought experiment is interesting.

Supermancho 4y ago
> It would be world changing, the complete abolition of all privacy. > Little drones that followed everybody around, everywhere, broadcasting and storing every thing everybody does, or says, everywhere they go, and what they do. That's an interesting 0-100% (eclipse all possible free speech possibilities!) imaginary scenario. I don't subscribe to it.
atlgator 4y ago
It's an opt-in scenario. People aren't forced to be politicians.
- landoftheice 4y ago
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- fanagra32 4y ago
  Politics already suffers heavily from not getting the best-of-the-best. Making it even less attractive to become a politician is unlikely to improve upon that. In the totality of all politicians out there that you have an opinion about, which fraction of them do you like, in terms of thinking they are the right person for the job? Do you think this fraction would improve with that opt-in scenario implemented?
  - hutzlibu 4y ago
    "Politics already suffers heavily from not getting the best-of-the-best" It is repeated often, but is this really true? Number 1 trait of a politician should be honesty and integrity in my opinion - and I don't think that you can increase that factor, just with throwing more money on them. Then you maybe just get more smart people, who are in it for the money and use their smarts and cunning to extract even more money. I think politicians should want that job, because they primarily feel the call to achieve something bigger. So a adequate payrise is alright in my opinion, but I don't want the top managers who run a big compony for profit to also run states. As states are (or should not be) profit orientated, but to serve the greater good of its people.
    - _trampeltier 4y ago
      If H. Clinton vs D. Trump or D. Trump vs J. Biden are the only choice for the most powerful politic job in the world .. I think they are really not the-best-of-the-best
      - michaelmrose 4y ago
        This is a better argument for the American public making in general poor choices and political parties giving them the kind of people they are apt to vote for rather than paying insufficient salaries.
        atlgator 4y ago
        "Tail wagging the dog" argument.
        michaelmrose 4y ago
        There is no reason to believe that the factor dragging political quality into the gutter is insufficient salaries. The fact that the Republican party turned down higher caliber more capable candidates in favor of trump suggests that candidate quality is limited by voter choice not insufficient compensation. These folks really are in fact deplorable and you need to appeal to at least a substantial minority of awful idiots to be elected president or if on team red most of them. This is why every Republican president in half a century has been an embarrassment and every democratic relatively conservative because nothing else flies here and upping the ante won't help.
- sidlls 4y ago
  Politicians aren't isolated: the people they interact with would be impacted, too.
tauwauwau 4y ago
That is the premise of TV Show Omniscient, I found it interesting. They dont broadcast everything, but data is shared with appropriate authorities https://m.imdb.com/title/tt11542920/ https://m.imdb.com/title/tt11542920/
lordnacho 4y ago
I'm not sure privacy as a concept should be off limits. It wasn't always a thing, in fact it's fairly recent. However there's a fairly big leap from "you can't always expect privacy" to "drones recording your whole life".
kwhitefoot 4y ago
The thought experiment has been done at novel length by Stephen Baxter: The Light of Other Days, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Light_of_Other_Days https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Light_of_Other_Days In the novel it is extremely disruptive, but perhaps that is what is needed.

dreen 4y ago

I'm with you. For the duration of you holding public office there should be no expectation of privacy.