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I’m just not inclined to surrender my phone to anyone for any reason. Maybe my sense of security is out of date, but it was drummed into me over years and years
by snowwrestler 4y ago
I’m just not inclined to surrender my phone to anyone for any reason. Maybe my sense of security is out of date, but it was drummed into me over years and years that physical access was a big deal.
That said, I fully support the idea of being phoneless in personal conversations. I was having lunch earlier this week with someone I hadn’t seen in a long time, and was determined to keep my phone in my pocket. It definitely took some willpower to ignore it when I felt it buzzing a few times.
I heavily curate my alerts so I knew these were messages from someone important to me. But sure enough, when I checked them after lunch it was all things that were totally fine to wait for an hour or so. And it was nice to be fully present for lunch.
- sourcecodeplz 4y agoBut then again one of those notifications could have been from your bank/crypto alerting you that someone logged-in to your account from Pakistan.
- noAnswer 4y agoIf it is not an alert asking you whether you want to give access, it is already to late anyway. (And since you don't want to give someone from Pakistan access to your account, you want to ignore it anyway. But change your pw though.)
- tomjen3 4y agoEvery such prompt I have seen has been useless, incorrect location and only because I was logging in manually. But as long as I have to approve them, who cares if they are trying to log in in Pakistan? I won't approve the notification if I saw it right now, or later.
- kibwen 4y agoFor the security aspect, they could offer to lock your phone inside a pocket-sized faraday cage so that you can keep it on your person while rendering it useless.
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- guenthert 4y agoNope. It would have to be a sound-proof, EMF shielded cage. Otherwise it transmits just later what it learns while unable to connect upstream. I've been to places where I had to hand over my phone not long ago, the German consulate in S.F. being one. I don't think it's uncalled for. Generally I rather not carry such a device at all.
- wlesieutre 4y agoI don’t think they meant security as in taking it into a secure location, they meant security of your own data and software on the phone by not leaving it where strangers could have physical access for hours.
- travisjungroth 4y agoThe security of the even isn't in question. It's the security of the phone. If you have your phone in your pocket in a locked Faraday cage, it prevents compulsive checking and any network notifications. It also means coat-check folks don't have access to it. The fact it can record other attendees doesn't matter. They may have their phone just in their pocket. Typing that out, it makes me realize the Faraday cage is unnecessary. Just turn it off, lock it in a reinforced sleeve, people at the front hold onto the key for you. Surprised I didn't realize this immediately. I sometimes lock my phone in a bag and put the key in another room. If I'm really serious I put the key in an envelope and write on the outside why I'm doing this. Tearing the envelope makes a nice barrier.
- joshspankit 4y agoHad to do this recently at a show for a headliner comedian. I did expose a flaw in their system though: they only bagged one phone (I have a second one for work).
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- mey 4y agoConsidering the amount of MFA attached to my phone plus communication access, my phone is a potentially more useful thing to steal than my wallet. Then again I rarely have cash on hand any more.
- r00fus 4y agoMy Apple Watch + Duo/OktaVerify or a number of other apps = 2nd factor without a phone. It also receives email. All I need is Wifi. I avoid SMS 2 factor.
- dotnet00 4y agoDoes Duo on Apple Watch not make you unlock your phone? On Android it seems to refuse to allow you to approve access via Watch without unlocking the phone, and if I have to reach for my phone anyway, I don’t really benefit from trying to approve it from my watch.
- Aeolun 4y agoCan they get through your fingerprint or key lock? It’d be entirely useless to steal my phone unless you are confident you can unlock it in 10 attempts.
- jerry1979 4y agoBut I'm entirely confident I can DOS your phone in 10 attempts.
- ummonk 4y agoYeah I'll happily shut off my phone (not just put it on silent) but handing it over is too much.
- lozenge 4y agoYou can get reusable phone lock cases for that reason. https://www.overyondr.com/howitworks https://www.overyondr.com/howitworks
- judge2020 4y agoThey're opened by magnets, so not exactly something you can give to the 'phone valet' for peace of mind since they could open it and re-enclose it non-destructively.
- nanidin 4y agoWhen I saw Chappelle, they put phones in cases and let you hold onto the locked case. There was a way to get into the case in case of emergency without special tools, but security was kicking anyone out with a phone not in said case.
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- yieldcrv 4y agoHow would you scan the menu to order lunch?
- OJFord 4y agoNot GP but I wouldn't? If I've ever been anywhere that was possible it certainly wasn't required; if it were I'd leave.
- hackernewds 4y agoif there's a scan to order you would leave?
- JPws_Prntr_Fngr 4y ago“… if it were [required] I'd leave.“ If you read a sentence you just pretend to be obtuse?
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- OJFord 4y agoI wouldn't use it, so if it were the only way to order I'd leave, so that I could order somewhere else. It's not just about being a stick in the mud over the ordering process - it would signal to me that I had the wrong idea of the kind of place it was: I'm sure you can order like that at McDonalds, but I don't want to eat at McDonalds.
- JasonFruit 4y agoExactly my reaction. Yes, it's important to exercise self-control with your phone. Yes, there's a time and a place. No, don't trust likely-looking strangers with something that gives access to so much of value.
- throwaway1777 4y agoJust don’t bring your phone then.
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- ChatGTP 4y agoApple Watch has been awesome just for this reason
- leonidasv 4y agoI get so many unimportant notifications from my phone nowadays that my brain just learned to ignore the vibration. The only notifications I unconsciously listen for are the ones from my computer (when I'm using it) that are, guess what, Calendar, Slack, WhatsApp. E-mail notifications are delivered silently. Maybe I should just silence everything else on my phone too...
- nicbou 4y agoYou should spend a few hours turning the useless ones off, making the non-urgent ones silent, and filtering the important ones. For each notification, ask yourself "do I need to know this now?" If not, turn it off. My phone only lets calls and instant messages through. Bank notifications are silent. Everything else is turned off. Then filter email the same way. My inbox is a sacred space. It's similarly quiet. It made a big difference for me. I get sidetracked a lot, and reducing interruptions and unnecessary information helped. I wrote the exact steps I took here: https://nicolasbouliane.com/blog/silence https://nicolasbouliane.com/blog/silence
- d0gsg0w00f 4y agoI've done this years ago and it's been great. The only push notifications I have left are text/whatsapp. I just wish Android had better controls for notification sound. E.g., if my whatsapp groups get chatty I silence my phone. But if my wife calls I want it to ring.
- jsjohnst 4y ago> But if my wife calls I want it to ring. Turn on Emergency Bypass for her contact. I have an iPhone so don’t know what Android calls it, but I know it has the same feature.
- Zak 4y agoI think there's room for a feature here: for approved contacts, notify them I'm busy when they try to call or message and ask if they want to interrupt. I think some desktop IM apps had that some time ago, but I haven't seen it on popular mobile equivalents.
- dheera 4y agoI mean, I walk around with 3 phones, so I could just give them my least critical one. That said I'm usually the least phone-glued person in most events.
- version_five 4y agoWorking in some (tbh mostly theatrical) high security environments, I've had to surrender my phone before going into a room. In the organizations that do this, they have lock boxes outside the room for this purpose. You lock your phone in and take the key with you. Still requires some trust but better than just leaving it with a couple guys, and is common practice in some places.
- tnel77 4y agoI too have worked DOD. Good times.
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- jwestbury 4y agoNot just the DoD -- pretty much the entire intelligence community, in every developed country. Also, several private companies with high-stakes IP; I know this is the case at some quantitative trading firms, for instance, and I knew some people working in Prime Air at Amazon in the early days who not only had to surrender their phones, but had to arrive at the office (whose address was unpublished even internally) by way of unmarked bus from a park-and-ride (and weren't allowed to wear anything which would identify them as working for Amazon).
- sandworm101 4y agoYet, more often than not, everyone just drops thier phones (and car keys) in a pile on top of the provided lock boxes. There is always one or two boxes with labels for the boss and demi-boss, but they too just drop thier phones in the pile.
- warner25 4y agoTrue. That's what my hat is for (I'm in the Army): my phone goes in my hat, my hat sits somewhere near the boxes, and the name-tape on my hat helps me find my phone later (since all the phones are indistinguishable black rectangles). There are either way more people who work in the facility than boxes, or nobody trusts that the cheap combo lock will work again when they need to retrieve their stuff at the end of the day. I've had to help a co-worker pry his box open and I was like, "why would you put your stuff in there?" That same co-worker, by the way, later claimed that his ex-wife (or someone she hired) came to our facility and rooted his phone while it was sitting in our lobby next to the boxes. It turned out that he was deranged, but it made me think for the first time about the risks of everyone with a TS/SCI clearance predictably leaving a big pile of phones unattended.
- kolinko 4y agoFocus mode on iOS is great for situations like that - no huzzing, and nitifications are hidden until you tap to reveal them. As for the phone security - same for me, but because of that it needs such protections that I can leave it anywhere and I know that my data won’t be breached.
- castillar76 4y agoFor a lot of comedy shows, they’ve started using locking Faraday-cage bags, and I like that system a lot more. Your phone stays with you, it’s just locked in a bag to block signal. Those bags (without the lock) are pretty cheap, too—I’m thinking of picking one up for things like Blackhat, but also for times when I want to encourage myself to be offline without crippling my ability to use my phone.
- pxmpxm 4y agoThere must be a whole parallel universe of people that apparently have zero self control to a degree where these sort of stunts would resonate. I also am disinclined to hand my phone over, but entirely because the premise of doing so silly. Set it on mute and go about your life...
- Abishek_Muthian 4y agoChat apps should further user level message priority i.e. I prefix a preset keyword set on mine & my Friend's chat app for urgent messages so that the chat app needn't notify them when I send them cat pictures.