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Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more
- pcardoso 4y agoNice, but sadly the shipping options still don’t include my country (PT). I wonder why, since they ship to some other EU countries.
- samtheDamned 4y agoEvery time Framework is brought up, there's a chorus of people saying they won't buy until they release an AMD edition, and as one of them this is great to see. Edit: Also the input deck and the ability to attach an egpu as well as upgrade to a newer egpu in the future are huge. This is a fantastic leap forward for Framework.
- brucethemoose2 4y agoOr some arbitrary AI accelerator! Jim Keller should make a Tenstorrent board. They already want to make desktop cards, and that would be a great way to market them.
- samtheDamned 4y agoYeah the possibilities are exciting to say the least, the ability to specialize your laptop into an AI processing powerhouse on the fly could be very valuable.
- haneefmubarak 4y agoIIRC Jim Keller is now working on a Atomic Semi (new semiconductor fab startup) with Sam Zeloof, so he's probably not at Tenstorrent anymore?
- brucethemoose2 4y agoHe was just interviewed a month ago! https://morethanmoore.substack.com/p/interview-with-jim-keller-tenstorrent https://morethanmoore.substack.com/p/interview-with-jim-kell... If he quit Tenstorrent, that must have been very recent.
- nrp 4y agoWe would absolutely love to see a Tenstorrent Expansion Bay Module.
- brucethemoose2 4y agoYou should reach out! Their e75 is 75W and could probably be trimmed further down: https://tenstorrent.com/grayskull/ https://tenstorrent.com/grayskull/ Not only would they get exposure, but they would love to see Framework-owning devs experimenting on Grayskull like its an RTX 3060. Of course it would probably be linux only, but still...
- nrp 4y agoAwesome! The e75 looks like it should be feasible. I've just reached out.
- seanp2k2 4y agoI’m one of the chorus. I actually preordered a TOTL Asus Zephyrus Duo about a month ago, and it came in last week. It’s been a dream so far — 16 real cores of AMD 7945HX, laptop 4090, hybrid graphics, two real screens! Main display is a quite color-accurate 16:10 miniled with 240hz freesync, lower display is a high-PPI IPS touch panel, dual raid-able M2 slots (I put in dual WD SN850Xs in raid0 and that’s showing ~14.5GB/s reads and ~13Gb/s writes in CrystalDiskMark), decent sound and webcam, keyboard is at the bottom edge…the only downsides are the touchpad size is a bit strange (portrait orientation) and the click on it doesn’t feel quite Macbook nice, no USB4, and the power brick is very brick-like, with a thick cable that doesn’t flex very well. Cooling is excellent due to the intake fans under the second screen combined with the lower heat output of the AMD chip, allowing it to run maxed out without throttling…they did this right. I can’t get Pop_OS to install yet, guessing it might need the AMD raid driver like Windows did, requires further investigation. Anyway, excited for a Framework version too! While I prefer AMD integrated graphics to Intel, NVidia dGPU would be even better, and even better still if it was upgradable. Are laptop GPUs still available on MXM cards?
- Brian_K_White 4y agoWhy even try to use the hardware raid? I can't imagine it actually performs any better than mdraid, and with mdraid the drives are as portable as plain drives. You could destroy the special laptop and stick the drives into usb enclosures and access the array again on any other machine.
- ChuckMcM 4y agoTell me you work in ops with out saying you work in ops. :-) Btw, this is excellent advice. Funny story, I have a FreeNAS device and the motherboard died and I thought "Oh my, I need to bring my ZFS volumes up on another machine, but I didn't have another machine with 6 SATA bays! I ended up having the drives all sitting out on the workbench connected a mainboard with 8 SATA ports so that I could create an archive of the data, and then got the mainboard fixed so I could re-assemble and re-use the FreeNAS but still it alerted me to the fact that I really needed a 6-8 drive cabinet if I wanted to do this again.
- vanilla_nut 4y agoReally exciting to see. I almost got a Framework for my work setup last month, but lack of an AMD option held me back. My personal laptop is still chugging along, but the AMD Framework is at the top of my list now! If only I'd waited an extra month to order my new work equipment.
- _skel 4y agoThere is always going to be a chorus about something. Power users are impossible to please because they all have strong opinions but not the same opinions. People will still want different screen resolutions, aspect ratios, keyboard layouts, etc. Now that AMD is available people will want particular CPU SKUs. It will never end. I wish Framework luck, because they are targeting the pickiest userbase that exists.
- chaosharmonic 4y agoI personally held off on getting one until my previous device (a Spectre x360) got smashed up in a car crash, but don't in any way regret this purchase even if I do still sort of miss touchscreens (and probably also would have waited for an AMD option otherwise). But yeah, when I was suddenly in the market for a new laptop anyway, the extensive freedom to upgrade and configure this made it an extremely easy sell compared to anything else that would have been on my radar.
- klardotsh 4y agoAMD 3:2 thin-and-light at a small overall screen size (but still usable) and with replaceable parts checks an enormous amount of power-user boxes. Getting off Intel was their last critical hurdle, and while for whatever reason it took them an eternity to listen to that (rather overwhelmingly loud) feedback, they finally did it. I suspect the choruses will be much quieter now. If I hadn't already landed on a Beelink GTR6 mini-PC desktop + MNT Reform laptop, I'd be considering this finally - indeed, one of many reasons I went Reform over Framework originally was because Framework was married to Intel. And frankly, 3:2 still makes Framework tempting despite my lack of need for it.
- tracker1 4y agoI think USB4/TB3 was a huge box for the latest gen AMD mobile platform. Can't speak for others, but I'm generally docked with power over TB3 at home, and when I was in the office before. It's the one thing I wanted out of AMD that was missing for general use. Glad to see it here. Definitely going Framework for my next laptop in a couple years... really tempted to get one sooner than later and pass down my M1 air to my daughter.
- yandrypozo 4y agoI'm very curious why people prefer AMD chips (I've never used one), would you share why do you and/or people you know like AMD so much?
- slaw 4y agoI have a Dell laptop with Intel i9-12900H. It is very noisy and hot.
- amiga-workbench 4y agoAMD have been thrashing Intel in performance, thermals and battery life for several years now. Intel are also a rather unpleasant company, I'll happily go with a competitor whenever it makes sense.
- bityard 4y agoAMD CPUs often offer high performance at a lower cost than Intel's equivalent offerings. But some people just like supporting the underdog.
- samtheDamned 4y agoOn Linux AMD drivers are by far some of the best, and the driver support is miles better both on the end of the 1st party support as well as 3rd party software support. There's a few instances where AMD GPU drivers even outshine their windows counterparts like in OpenGL performance. Intel's driver support is great as well, but their performance recently has not matched AMD, and their iGPUs don't compare to AMD's iGPUs. Also for beefier laptops with discreet GPUs, intel up until very recently would need an NVIDIA card to get decent performance which would require NVIDIA drivers, which are notorious for complicating things on Linux. On the other hand AMD laptops with discreet AMD gpus already have their drivers built into the kernel which removes almost any potential complication. Also there's personal preference, which in my case leans toward AMD because of their generally more open stance with their new technology, like raytracing and FSR which is contrasted by NVIDIAs typically closed off approach to the same things. Intel isn't as bad as NVIDIA in this department either but this is just personal opinion. Lastly AMD CPUs are generally cheaper than intel, and in the last few generations performed better overall than intel. TL:DR AMD on linux has great drivers with good support, the synergy between AMD's CPUs and GPUs and their combined APUs are very good, and personally I appreciate AMD's more open approach to technology like FSR, even if they aren't anywhere near perfect.
- miloignis 4y agoI'm one! Just preordered the Ryzen 7, and very excited. Have held and messed with my friend's current Intel 13, and I was a big fan.
- FullyFunctional 4y agoGood thing too, as if there’s one thing Intel 13 needs, it’s a big fan. (worth the down votes) I really don’t need another notebook, but I like what Framework is doing, and I’ll be watching the reviews.
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- ttanev 4y agoI for one was waiting for a touch screen option as well, but this sounds easier than the AMD part sounded awhile ago. And they will probably add it as an option at some point, their track record for listening to what their users are saying in their forums is awesome so far.
- pimterry 4y agoWebsite has immediately collapsed, but the full announcement video is on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccpsyRipHlk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccpsyRipHlk
- aestetix 4y agoThey even said they had beefed up their servers to meet demand. I guess they need to add even more servers.
- wmf 4y agoClearly they need repairable and upgradeable servers.
- tough 4y agoSite is back (with a warning/notice of it being slow) now
- kouteiheika 4y agoI wonder what exact tech stack are they using for the website? It genuinely seems to me that this kind of a website should be able to handle this level of traffic on a single $10/month VPS, nevermind require multiple servers. But I'm probably just out of touch with how modern webdev is done.
- seanp2k2 4y agoEspecially if they’re fronting it with a CDN. The only things they should be hitting a DB for would be order process stuff and account mgmt.
- deburo 4y agoHah, even the youtube video is constantly buffering for me. I guess I'll wait for a summary article.
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- saligne 4y agoSome major issues with the livestream too, audio out of sync, horrible noise, looked like it was filmed with a potato (lighting was godawful). Did not exactly inspire confidence, but the upgrades do look nice. Glad there's an AMD option now.
- dmayle 4y agoWhen the Framework came out, I was excited, but not in the market for a laptop. I've been waiting for the chance to buy one, especially as they announced more and more things that I'm interested in. Now that I'm finally in the market, I was waiting eagerly for this new announcement. The only question I'm left with now, which Framework to get? Do I pre-order the AMD 7040, or do I wait for the new 16 so that I can get a GPU? I'm thinking about going the AMD route now, buying the dGPU option they have and using it as an eGPU when it becomes available, and then switching to the 16-inch chassis when I'm ready...
- brucethemoose2 4y agoThe AMD 7040 series is gonna be amazing. They even have an NPU which (theoretically) should run models reasonably well without a dGPU, M1 style... but we will see how that shapes up. The 16" will provably perform better though, if you can wait.
- schmorptron 4y agoHave AMD said anything about whether the NPU will be OK for a little bit of training as well, or just inference?
- noveltyaccount 4y agoThe 780M integrated graphics on the 7040 apu is supposed to be something like 30% better than in the current-gen 680M. Search YouTube for 680M gaming and see if it's good enough for you! https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-s-Radeon-780M-iGPU-beats-the-Nvidia-GTX-1650-Max-Q-laptop-dGPU-in-new-Geekbench-test.701261.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-s-Radeon-780M-iGPU-beats-t...
- schmorptron 4y agoIt's going to be exciting to see which GPU manufacturer they went with. Intel salvaging arc? This eGPU that can be slotted in is exactly the thing I'd been hoping they would do if they added GPUs and the AMD option is incredible. Gonna have to put my money where my mouth is once it's time for a new laptop now... I also think it's important to not underestimate the flexibility and marketing aspects of the eGPU design they went with. Someone who has a laptop they use for playing games with a still fine CPU but outdated GPU might look at this and just buy the eGPU. Then when it comes time to upgrade the laptop itself they might be all-in on the value of an upgradable system.
- tuukkah 4y ago> which GPU manufacturer they went with The beauty of this is they don't have to choose. The GPU can be anything that communicates over Thunderbolt and fits in the physical module specs.
- wmf 4y agoanything that communicates over Thunderbolt and fits in the physical module specs In other words, only the GPU modules that Framework chooses to make.
- tuukkah 4y agoPlus any that anyone else chooses to make.
- ncallaway 4y agoYea, that’s true in a world where no other company is capable of manufacturing a GPU enclosure with the physical specs they’ve defined. Thankfully, I’m pretty skeptical we live in that world. If the framework laptop grows in market size that there’s enough demand for it, then anyone could manufacture and sell those components, which is kind of the point.
- nrp 4y agoWe’ve opened the specs specifically to avoid this scenario! The information we have up on GitHub today is enough to get started on module development, and we’ll share any additional information that is useful to enable third party board makers.
- renewiltord 4y agoProbably a good architecture for launch is a Cloudflare Pages static landing page that has the CTA link to your website that goes through a queue intermediary (invisible most of the time). That way you ensure you don't drop any visibility and you capture all sales. Festival and concert tickets are frequently done this way and the queue renege rate lets you model how many you would have lost if your site failed to load and at what duration.
- O_H_E 4y agoWow RPI-based QMK-enabled input modules. That is something else.
- JonChesterfield 4y agoQMK sounds like the keyboard thing. What things can you do with an arm chip sending input to a laptop? Imagination failure here.
- starkparker 4y agoProgrammable per-key remapping, layered modifiers that you can toggle per app or workflow (ie. quick language layout swaps, temporary low-level remaps for games that don't support remapping, Blender/Photoshop/editor-specific remaps for personal ergonomics, etc.). Tap-hold functions to send different keycodes or modifiers when you tap vs. hold down a key, often used for home-row mods that move modifier keys into the home row when you hold, say, an HJKL key.
- fomine3 4y agoJust curious why they chose RPi instead of cheaper AVR. Maybe because it's more hackable thanks to overkill resources.
- KRAKRISMOTT 4y agoHow does it compare to the Starfighter? https://us.starlabs.systems/pages/starfighter https://us.starlabs.systems/pages/starfighter
- brucethemoose2 4y agoThe starfighter is a platform generation behind, and very expensive. $1600 would buy you a (same generation) Asus G15 with a huge dGPU and good linux support. TBH I am kind of shocked Framework picked up the AMD 7040 series so quickly. Usually small manufacturers are stuck with older gens.
- runnerup 4y agoStarfighter doesnt have upgradeable / repairable RAM so it doesn’t compete in the same niche as Framework. Starfighter doesn’t look nearly as repairable. Starfighter doesn’t have the proven “longevity” and true commitment to mission that Framework has had time to demonstrate, now through its second major release. That all said, Starfighter looks like it has some really cool features between open source boot firmware, removeable camera and Wi-Fi kill switch.
- starkparker 4y agoApples and oranges, kind of. Frameworks are repairable and have some hardware transparency, but aren't open, libre, free-as-in-freedom, or privacy focused like StarLabs. (EDIT: Looks like the 16" Frameworks are 16:10 like the Starfighter, vs. the 3:2 13" Frameworks.) Starfighters are Linux-first, Frameworks are Linux-compatible, and there are rougher edges on Linux Frameworks. If you want a better or more libre Linux laptop right now, get a Starfighter. If you want a laptop with more hardware hackability and replacement options, at the expense of libre/privacy features, battery life, supported Linux options, and high-end performance, Framework's an option.
- WorldPeas 4y agoI can't wait for them to announce an arm-based cpu board, it's only a matter of time(I keep telling myself)
- samtheDamned 4y agoI've been wishing for something similar, I think it's a great opportunity for desktop-style arm computing to shine.
- rejectfinite 4y agoAlready a thing? And is hardware the limiting thing here? Not the terrible arm OSes? https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/02/lenovo-announces-the-first-arm-based-thinkpad/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/02/lenovo-announces-the...
- adgjlsfhk1 4y agoArm on linux works pretty well.
- starkparker 4y agoAnd Framework already ships a 13" model and parts with Chromebook certification, which has great ARM support.
- sedatk 4y agoARM on Windows works great too. I don't know what they're talking about.
- samtheDamned 4y agoI hadn't heard about the ARM Thinkpad, that's very interesting. For me the reason ARM on the Framework is an exciting possibility is that you can switch out the mainboard with the processor. The X13s is $1,300 which is quite the investment into such an early platform. With a framework laptop, you could have an ARM mainboard, but with the ability to switch it out with an x86-64 mainboard without having to invest in a whole new laptop. It could also go the other way, having a laptop on hand and wanting to dive into ARM, you would just have to buy an ARM mainboard instead of an entire laptop.
- brucethemoose2 4y agoOh there we go, modular GPU add in boards. Heyoooo! And they support other stuff! I wish the framework site was up, as I want to see what this specification looks like. If you look inside an Asus Zephyrus or whatever, the cooling setup needed to support such a thing in a thin laptop is mad. The 13", for instance, has a pancake sized 2D headspreader + liquid metal TIM, which very much goes against repairability. The 16" is a wall of heatpipes. I wonder how framework is addressing this. EDIT: specification is here, but down at this moment: https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/ExpansionBay https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/ExpansionBay
- Tade0 4y agoI repasted and changed the fans in my Zephyrus (turns out mattress pumps and fans don't mix) and fortunately the whole heatsink assembly comes off in more or less one go. It is bulky though. Moreover, this bulk is not enough to keep the keyboard from getting really hot under load.
- brucethemoose2 4y agoThe newer ones are much trickier because of the liquid metal TIM. You want to avoid lifting it off the CPU/GPU if you can.
- nrp 4y agoThe Expansion Bay interface repository is now up (as well as the Framework website).
- KeepingItToasty 4y agoQuick summary for those couldn't watch the livestream/load the website. - New Framework laptops are available using Intel 13th Gen and AMD 7040 series. - New 61Wh battery, new matte display option & a Cooler Master mainboard case for $39. - New 16 inch Framework laptop. Allows you to have a number pad or not, up to you and customizable. If I understood the livestream correctly, there are upgradable dedicated GPUs that connect to the 16 inch laptop.
- brightball 4y agoThe 16 seems like the version that will open the door for me.
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- tristor 4y agoIs one of the models of CPU available the 7840HS? This sounds fantastic, I very well may buy a Framework laptop later this week/weekend. EDIT: Their site came back up, after reading the blog post I pre-ordered the Ryzen 7 13" to be my new Linux laptop.
- KeepingItToasty 4y agoWe don't actually know what specific version of AMD CPU is available. Just that one option is Ryzen 5 and the other is Ryzen 7: "For the AMD Ryzen™ 7040 Series processors, we’ll be sharing more detailed specifications as we get closer to shipment." Source: https://frame.work/gb/en/blog/framework-laptop-13-with-13th-gen-intel-core-and-amd-ryzen-7040-series https://frame.work/gb/en/blog/framework-laptop-13-with-13th-...
- schmorptron 4y agoThe big question is whether the cooling system in the 13" would be able to handle the HS. Is there any data on Zen 4 laptop chips that has tested the efficiency vs performance considerations on the U vs the HS series?
- o8o8o8o 4y agoWow that's the fastest I've ever seen a site go down. Site was vaporized as soon as the announcement was made. I'm still happy with my 11th gen framework. Anybody who's looking into upgrading please consider re-using your mainboard. They have 3D printing schematics you can use to turn it into a mini desktop PC!: https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/Mainboard https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/Mainboard
- Entinel 4y agoAs part of their announcements, they partnered with Cooler Master to turn that 3D printed case into a full product they will sell on their website.
- JohnTHaller 4y agoFor folks who'd rather read than watch, Tom's Hardware has a summary: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/framework-laptop-13-16-amd-ryzen https://www.tomshardware.com/news/framework-laptop-13-16-amd... tl;dr: A 16" laptop with modular dedicated graphics (PCIe x8 either v4 or v5 with fans on the module), expansion bay cards (dual m.s SSDs), a new 'input system' with multiple keyboards in multiple languages and optional RGB lighting as well as support for numpads and secondary displays. Target launch is 'late 2023'.
- agloe_dreams 4y agoWhile I'm glad they are actually making a product for their actual niche... Personally, looking at the 16...it's just a 'You were supposed to be the chosen one.' gif. Damn near everything is proprietary, even if they were to open source it, they have basically created their own new standards for everything from the GPU to the new RGB modules that seem like insane distractions. Also those trackpad spacers are a solution but yikes that looks like trash. All I see is SKU overload and inventory problems all while they are distracted with solving RGB for some wild reason.
- alpsne 4y ago> they have basically created their own new standards for everything from the GPU to the new RGB modules that seem like insane distractions Reminded me of https://xkcd.com/927/ https://xkcd.com/927/
- ncallaway 4y agoHow many things have they created standards for that already have open standards in common use in the laptop space? If we’re going from 2 open standards to 3 that seems unnecessary. If we’re going from 0 open standards to 1 that seems like a huge step forward.
- agloe_dreams 4y agoMXM is an 'open-ish' standard that others build for. My real weird view is that they have really went a different direction and their GPU upgrade has a whole rear deck you install and all that rather than building it into the product. That deck will only ever work with the Framework 16. Like, this isn't a standard at all, it's just open for Framework to gain from. It reminds me of Google's Project Ara but for the wrong reasons. https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/23/23652967/framework-laptop-16-modular-upgradable-graphics https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/23/23652967/framework-laptop...
- chromakode 4y agoI love how this launch included new reuse paths for old components, including a new mainboard case [1] and battery / screen case designs. If Framework maintains mechanical compatibility between generations, things are going to get really interesting. [1] https://frame.work/products/cooler-master-mainboard-case https://frame.work/products/cooler-master-mainboard-case
- O_H_E 4y agosalvaging old laptop battery as a power bank made me actually lol in real life.
- nrp 4y agoIt makes total sense! A half worn out battery may no longer be useful to you inside of your laptop, but can still be useful as an external power bank.
- celestialcheese 4y agoThere's a big community of people out there doing just this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao1mwEcPsEk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao1mwEcPsEk https://cellsaviors.com/blog/how-to-salvage-18650-cells https://cellsaviors.com/blog/how-to-salvage-18650-cells
- bigredhdl 4y agoCame here to say the same thing. Having my old laptop board be a NUC for another screen somewhere seems like a good idea.
- starkparker 4y agoAlready preordered the 13" AMD board knowing that my old mainboard is going straight into my arcade cabinet as soon as it's out of the laptop.
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- wkat4242 4y agoHopefully a matte screen option??? That's the one thing holding me back from getting one. Those stickers they offer don't cut it. Amd vs Intel doesn't really bother me either way but a matte screen is an absolute must. Don't have time to check now with the site being so slow but will do later. Good to see the amount of attention this receives though.
- bioemerl 4y agoIf this lets me get a split keyboard I will be all over this 16 inch model.
- Agingcoder 4y agoI very much much agree with this. Laptop keyboards are incredibly painful, and I can't use a laptop because of this. a split keyboard would solve my issue and I'd definitely buy the laptop.
- Entinel 4y agoI'm excited for all of the announcements but they really need to hire a production company for these events in the future. Is there an upgrade path from the current Framework to the 16 inch chassis or will you have to buy an entirely new laptop?
- o8o8o8o 4y agoThere is something charming about the amateurish feel of their livestream, like the money I've given them is going to real people doing real work and not into a bloated marketing budget.
- Entinel 4y agoI don't disagree but the audio actually gave me a headache. I don't need them to go full WWDC but lets get that audio fixed at least.
- bigredhdl 4y agoNot just charming, but also makes me feel like they value my money and want to make sure it goes toward the mission. It's easy to say "hire a production company", but personally, I can put up with a clunky PR event if they use the savings to keep pushing the mission forward.
- mroche 4y agoThe blog pages are functional for me right now: New 16" Model: https://frame.work/blog/introducing-the-framework-laptop-16 https://frame.work/blog/introducing-the-framework-laptop-16 New 13" Models with Intel 13th Gen and AMD 7000 series https://frame.work/blog/framework-laptop-13-with-13th-gen-intel-core-and-amd-ryzen-7040-series https://frame.work/blog/framework-laptop-13-with-13th-gen-in...
- brucethemoose2 4y agoWorks for me, thanks. But the linked Github repos for the (GPU) expansion bay and the input module are still private/dead. :/ https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/ExpansionBay https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/ExpansionBay https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/InputModules https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/InputModules
- pr0zac 4y agoI think the InputModules one is over at https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/inputmodule-rs https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/inputmodule-rs
- starkparker 4y agoThey seem to be live/public now.
- kitsunesoba 4y agoThe way the numpad is fully optional on the 16" is great. I get that numpads are non-optional for some but for my usage it's mostly a nuisance, which makes the non-optional numpads on a lot of laptops a near-dealbreaker.
- wkat4242 4y agoFor me they were completely useless too but I've remapped mine to a 3x3 desktop switcher and some other hotkeys on KDE. Now I can't do without it, it's like having 9 computers in one <3
- frankjr 4y ago> Coming later in 2023: Belgium, Taiwan, Italy, Spain Does anybody know why they do this country by country roll out? I'd be perfectly happy to order a US layout laptop but they don't allow me to place an order.
- marci 4y agoI would guess figuring out payment, shipping, returns, refunds, warranty...
- OJFord 4y ago..., taxes, consumer protection laws, ... It's probably harder being a US company selling into each EU country than it is for an EU-based company to sell to the rest of the EU and also the US, too? The alternative would be not selling directly to consumer, using some intermediary like Amazon or whatever.
- brucethemoose2 4y agoOr be a reselling manufacturer like Clevo, and let local companies deal with that stiff.
- cristiioan 4y agoI don't think is that harder. Also, my Framework(bought in Austria and than shipped it to Romania - still in EU) was actually sold by a company registered in Germany.
- fuzzbazz 4y agoMaybe they'd have a lot of extra returns if people from these countries didn't pay attention and bought a laptop expecting the usual keyboard layout for their languages.
- nrp 4y agoWe wrote a blog post a couple of years ago about what goes into launching into new countries: https://frame.work/blog/scaling-up-infrastructure https://frame.work/blog/scaling-up-infrastructure
- uxcolumbo 4y agoSeems to be down or slow. Do we have an option to add a keyboard with a Trackpoint?
- O_H_E 4y agoYeah website is down. He never mentioned a trackpoint unfortunately. But I guess theoretically someone could design one (╯°□°）╯ ┻┻ they are releasing hardware and software interface docs on github.
- ncallaway 4y agoI don’t think so (not mentioned during the talk, so probably not), but the input system is being opened up (with both hardware specs and some their keyboard software released), so it should be possible for a third party to do that.
- davidy123 4y agoI would probably switch after decades of thinkpads (and one Mac I just didn't like) if they offered a model with AMD chip, a good keyboard, Trackpoint, and OLED display.
- brucethemoose2 4y agoOLED is a tall order, unless there happens to be an existing (tablet?) display thats just the right size for their frames.
- davidy123 4y agoHmm there are quite a few 16" OLEDs on the market these days, I assume there is a common size for '16".' I'm hoping not to upgrade for another year, so will see then.
- humanistbot 4y agoIBM's trackpoint patent expired in 2017. I have no idea why there hasn't been a custom keyboard with a trackpoint out yet. Seems like that would be the first thing hacker-types would add.
- samizdis 4y agoSite still seems to be overloaded, but there's a decent piece in Ars: Framework gives its modular laptops 13th-gen Intel CPUs and (finally) an AMD option https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/03/framework-gives-its-modular-laptops-13th-gen-intel-cpus-and-finally-an-amd-option/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/03/framework-gives-its-...
- snicker7 4y agoI wish Framework had more color options in their Marketplace (e.g gold, torquise, pink), especially considering how they advertise themselves as being modular / customizable.
- nrp 4y agoWe're adding more Bezel colors throughout the year. We have Transparent available now for pre-ordering. We've improved our manufacturing infrastructure for Bezels recently to make it much easier to create new colors than it was previously.
- nrp 4y agoI’m happy to answer questions that everyone has about what we announced! It may be a little while until I’m able to jump back on though.
- zmk5 4y agoHey Nirav, thanks so much for the progress you and your team have done! Just had a question if there's been some benchmarking done for Linux on the new AMD and Intel mainboards.
- cooperadymas 4y agoWill the 16 have an AMD option at launch? This isn't clear to me yet. Already pre-ordered the AMD 13 but might hold off if it's available on the larger version.
- tzarc 4y agoAs one of the QMK Firmware maintainers, it's great to see you're going ahead with the customisable side of things even on the input side. Might I suggest engaging with QMK early so that we can avoid the usual manufacturer "hey can you merge this, we've shipped already and forgot to raise the PR until now"?
- nrp 4y agoAbsolutely! We’ve been chatting with Jack Humbert, and he’s actually been prototyping an ortholinear keyboard module for the Framework Laptop 16. There are likely some photos of it in press articles about the event today.
- grapesurgeon 4y agoi really hope the battery is much better than the pathetic 3 hours i get from my current one. as im writing this, ive used my laptop for around 3 hours, 20 minutes was to run a kvm and the rest is just a browser, and im at 18% remaining. i might have said before that i regret getting the framework, i might think about upgrading my mainboard and battery if it turns out to be working well. key word "maybe"...
- slaw 4y agoThat's why there will be AMD option.
- jareds 4y agoI'm in the market for a new laptop soon and am considering a Framework one. Would the 13th gen or the AMD version be good enough for basic photo editing? My wife is starting to get interested in photography. It would be nice if this could be a shared machine that I'd use most of the time and she would use for photo editing. If photo editing was something she wanted to do frequently she could always get her own machine specifically specked for that.
- seanp2k2 4y agoThe biggest advantage for AMD IMO is efficiency and thermals. AMD beats Intel perf per watt hands down — it’s not even close. Intel can’t shrink their process node fast enough because they use their own fabs. AMD uses TSMC and benefits from process advances. Intel has new fabs with better technology coming online in the coming years, but Apple M1/2 and AMD 5xxx but truly 7xxx have them well beat. Given that laptops have physical size constraints and a 100 watt hour battery max because of that stupid FAA rule (and mfgs don’t want to try to explain that they’ve made a laptop that you can’t technically take on a plane, even though mall cop TSA guards very likely wouldn’t catch it), there’s only so much heat you can dissipate with laptop heat sinks (around 200 watts for the latest and greatest cooling solutions, a lot less for thin and lights), so performance per watt is what laptop perf is all about. Intel 12th gen used to be better than AMD 6xxx in single-thread until it rapidly overheated and started throttling, but the 7xxx stuff matches or beats 13th gen Intel on single-thread. For multi-thread, the best current Intel designs are 8 fast cores and 16 Atom cores. The AMD 7945HX is 16 fast cores. Combined with the difficulty in scheduling on asymmetric cores (Win11 does a decent job and is aware of this but it’s not perfect), 16 real cores usually wins for tasks that require real horsepower. The Intel solution is decent for handling many small background tasks (chrome tabs, running Spotify, Slack, etc) but there’s still a lot of context switching happening.
- brucethemoose2 4y agoThat was true previous gen, but Intel's efficiency cores make them quite competitive this time around. The 7000 series's advantage is now everything else: IO, the GPU, faster memory and such. I dont even count the 7945HX as a laptop CPU though. That is a $2K+ desktop replacement, complete with the same hot idling the desktop chips have.
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- perihelions 4y agoHow's the keyboard on Frameworks? (Subjectively)
- SSilver2k2 4y agoI like it. Been running one for 6 months now and it's been great.
- Macha 4y agoI like it better than the macbook keyboard due to the higher key travel. There's a couple of oddities (the enter and # key for iso keyboards or enter and \ key for americans share the same cut out to reduce the number of case skus), and I miss the dedicated home/end/pgup/pgdown keys my previous dell had, but nothing deal breaking.
- ar_lan 4y agoWhoa. AMD has been a big, big ask for a long time. This is very welcome.
- cultofmetatron 4y agosame, I'm going to be buying a new laptop in a few months. was gonna get the system76 pangolin but this just changed all my plans
- agloe_dreams 4y agoAnd if you scroll down you can see the glowing review that they got from Linus Tech Tips.... Who owns a stake in their company...Yiiiikes.
- Hamuko 4y agoI think that review might be from before Linus invested in Framework. Not that I can verify it because the Linus Tech Tips channel is still banned.
- zmk5 4y agoThat and the Dave2D endorsements have been there since the first laptop.
- agloe_dreams 4y agoI think you are right but it still implies that LTT has a valid unbiased opinion on the product now.
- Macha 4y agoIf the opinion presented in that video was shared before any business relationship was concieved, I'd hardly consider the opinion invalid.
- laweijfmvo 4y agoIt might be before we knew about the investment...
- nrp 4y agoThere are detailed videos from Linus on this topic. No conversation took place about investment until after he did his review video. When we first saw the video (at the same time as everyone else did), we assumed he was joking about wanting to invest.
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- filmgirlcw 4y agoI love this! I got a Framework laptop back in 2021 and it has been one of my favorite non-Mac laptops in years (decades?) and I love seeing the company evolve and grow! Definitely looking at upgrading to one of these for my non-M1 Max laptop needs.
- NoboruWataya 4y ago16" model is great news - personally I like larger laptops and numpads, and dislike working on 13". I bought a Dell last year. Naturally I hope it lasts a long time, but if I were to have a need to buy a laptop in the next year or so it would almost certainly be a Framework.
- mixmastamyk 4y agoNice, matte display. Almost $200 with tax. Anyone in Calif. want to buy a used glossy? May be cheaper to put a film on it, hmm.
- starkparker 4y agoDefinitely cheaper, and some film manufacturers will custom cut to fit under the bezel. ViaScreens and Photodon both do this.
- galkk 4y agoHow much does it weight? I don't see it on the announcement page. This year I got 16" thinkpad P4, and suprised to see how much more comfortable it is for me than my 15" Extreme X1, especially given that it weights about the same (1.86kg)
- ChuckMcM 4y agoI think the Cooler Master case for your "old" mainboard is a pretty neat idea. In that you can upgrade your mainboard, take the old one and put it into the case to make a "mini" PC out of it. That is pretty awesome.
- starkparker 4y agoThere was already an official 3D-printable case, and Framework even links to it from the CoolerMaster case's product page. Still good to finally have a straightforward option for the printerless.
- ChuckMcM 4y agoI was aware of the The 3D printed case, it is nice but it is a challenging print. I think partnering with Cooler Master will get more Framework mainboards re-used than would otherwise be. I expect when you order a new mainboard it will be an option for checkout :-) We'll see.
- starkparker 4y ago> . I expect when you order a new mainboard it will be an option for checkout It's not yet, but soon, hopefully.
- mixmastamyk 4y agoHmm, 16" is great to hear but I see one issue. A decade or so ago big laptops let you plug things in the back. This was great because you didn't need cables running across your desk, which is kinda ridiculous for a desktop-replacement. This model seems to have the traditional top-mounted screen, leaving space in the back, but it is empty. Seems in the rush to copy Apple over the last decade, this knowledge was forgotten. That's a shame. Personally, I'd like all those ports/cables (minus two USB) in the back and off my desk.
- starkparker 4y agoThe back is where the expansion bay/eGPU expansion goes. The eGPUs jut out for cooling, and the expansion bay itself is modular and the design is open-sourced, so I'll be curious if there isn't a port bay.
- beilabs 4y agoIs the matte screen by default on 13"? Don't see any option to select when purchasing.
- Foomf 4y agoI'm still waiting for a touchscreen version. Once that is ready I can't wait to get one!
- starkparker 4y agoWhen they mentioned a new hinge I got my hopes up for a tent/360 hinge and top-cover option for a touchscreen. But it's just a heavier-weight version of the existing hinge.
- RedComet 4y agoThe heavier weight one was released awhile ago. I believe this one is intended to reduce wobble.
- metalforever 4y agoI realize this is a really fringe interest, but I want them to make a RISC laptop eventually, with open source firmware and an open source graphics stack.
- ac29 4y agoLooks like the Intel version is only using P series processors, which have higher multithreaded performance than the U series but are also more power hungry. Also, DDR4 only which is significantly slower than the DDR5 and LPDDR5 capabilities of the CPU.
- pcdoodle 4y agoI love what framework is doing <3
- foxandmouse 4y agoIs there any way I can interact with a framework laptop before buying it? I've always loved laptop hardware, something about having all the power of a computer to go seems so freeing to me. forever I've been searching for the 'perfect machine' (granted perfect is relative to the time). ThinkPads were my favourite when IBM owned the brand, and since apple switched to intel nothing came close to the complete package offered by a MacBook. Recently, I've fallen out of love with the hardware (but OSX is still amazing). Apple had made is so disadvantageous to dual boot Linux that it's not even worth trying, and their own operating system has laughably poor support for gaming. (I get that's not everyone's use case but I feel like it's because they haven't found the right genre of game for them, but that's another tangent, and I'm already rambling). The power of the M1 chip is so great, but what's the point of powerful hardware if you can't run the software you want. So now, after a decade of owning MacBook and loving every moment, I have the itch to find something else. Framework is one option, but I've never held one, and frankly they look quite ugly/ cheap. My "perfect" device today would be if someone put the internals of the steam deck in an iPad Pro body, but why sell one device when you can sell 3.
- uni_rule 4y agoThe Microsoft Surface devices feel pretty close to modern Apple in fit and finish while also being able to boot whatever else x86 you feel like playing with. Unfortunately their stance towards repair in practice is also pretty similar to Apple. Still, that doesn't change the fact that they physically feel quite nice as devices.
- ykl 4y agoIf anything Surfaces are even less repairable than MacBooks. At least you can take apart a MacBook with just a screwdriver (albeit with some special bits for Apple’s weird screws), but modern Surfaces are basically filled with glue [1]. [1] https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Laptop+Teardown/92915 https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Laptop+Tea...
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- Macha 4y agoI'd love to buy one. But I already bought an Intel 12th gen framework and can't justify an upgrade (even the DIY option) yet.
- the-grump 4y agoLivestream recording: https://www.youtube.com/live/ccpsyRipHlk https://www.youtube.com/live/ccpsyRipHlk
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- nabakin 4y agoThey made a blog post on it. Probably better than linking to their homepage https://frame.work/blog/introducing-the-framework-laptop-16-and-both-intel-and-amd-powered-framework-laptop-13 https://frame.work/blog/introducing-the-framework-laptop-16-...
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- Arch-TK 4y agoNow just need a good trackpoint and no trackpad and I'll finally have a replacement for this modified X230.
- humanistbot 4y agoIBM's trackpoint patent expired in 2017, I have no idea why there hasn't been a custom keyboard with a trackpoint out yet. Seems like that would be the first thing hacker-types would add.
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- n3storm 4y agoNo spanish keyboard available :( https://www.babbel.com/en/magazine/the-10-most-spoken-languages-in-the-world https://www.babbel.com/en/magazine/the-10-most-spoken-langua...
- nrp 4y agoWe'll be adding the Spanish (Castillian) keyboard before we open pre-orders in Spain this summer.
- sam0x17 4y agoPleaseeeee give us a GPU
- benatkin 4y agoI haven't seen anything interesting from this company yet. Just internal dongles.
- sampa 4y agomatte display, ryzen... now give me a keyboard with normal-sized arrow keys, and I will order one
- xkcd-sucks 4y agoIs S3 suspend to memory supported?
- pmlnr 4y agoWHY THE HALF SIZE ARROWS?! FFS, it's a 16" machine, there so much space.
- tvararu 4y agoI'm a very happy Framework laptop daily user. I want to get so many upgrades now: AMD mainboard, 4kg hinge kit, New louder speakers, 61Wh battery, Blank ISO keyboard, WiFi 6E card. The only downside is that's so many components, instead of upgrading, I'll probably buy a whole new one and donate the old one to friends or family. :) Great work @nrp and team.
- ur-whale 4y agoNoice. First time they've put a product out that matches my requirement: large screen, decent GPU, AMD CPU. But argh ... no numpad, so no can use Blender on it :( [EDIT]: aha, but I read: Input Module system When starting the design of a larger screen laptop, one of the key questions was: Numpad, or no numpad? After performing some market research, we found out there is almost exactly a 50/50 split between people who love and need numpads and people who hate them. We used this as an opportunity to not only let you pick your preference there, but also completely customize the input experience. Very nice
- bondant 4y agoDid they announce the dimensions of the 16' model? I've not seen them.
- uptownfunk 4y agoWould help if you can show the attributes that vary with price first to make sense of why they are priced so differently.
- kelnos 4y agoI bought a 12th-gen Intel Framework last summer when they first came out. Aside from some thermal throttling issues (that are actually kinda bad and common, and Framework support has been so far unable to address), and so-so battery life, I'm otherwise happy with it, after I got used to the screen's odd aspect ratio and made my peace with it being a physically larger machine because of that. (I'm assuming the driver for this was the need for a larger mainboard due to the expansion slots and connectors for RAM, WiFi, and storage.) A bit bummed that they're offering a matte display option only now; I don't see it offered in the marketplace, but I assume it'll get there eventually, and the glossy screen is $179, which isn't too expensive an 'upgrade', assuming the matte screen ends up being priced similarly. The higher-capacity battery will come in handy, though I'll probably wait until the existing battery gets a bit older. I'm not interested in a 16" laptop, but I really like the black keyboard area, though the two-tone black keyboard area with silver touchpad/wrist rest is kinda ugly. I wonder if Framework will eventually offer replacement input covers (for the 13") with different aesthetics. One thing I miss from my old Dell XPS13 is the soft-touch material on the input cover. One cool small detail on the 16" is they've dropped the built-in 3.5mm jack and added two more expansion card ports, with one of the options being a card with a 3.5mm jack. Really smart move there; satisfies both camps of people who want and don't want that jack. I think the thing that is most encouraging is that it does seem like they're trying to settle into a yearly cadence for new mainboard releases, tracking the latest chipsets from Intel (and hopefully now from AMD too). I was a little worried that they wouldn't be able to keep up, since they're still a small-ish company. Certainly not going to buy the 13th-gen or new Ryzen boards this year, but it's good to know that, assuming the company continues to be successful, I should be able to upgrade in a couple years.
- grecy 4y ago> thermal throttling issues (that are actually kinda bad and common, and Framework support has been so far unable to address), and so-so battery life, the screen's odd aspect ratio, being a physically larger machine. That is a strange review to conclude "I'm otherwise happy with it"
- infogulch 4y ago> I got used to the screen's odd aspect ratio ... Many people like the 3:2 ratio and consider it a feature, including me. It's better for productivity tasks where vertical real-estate is valuable.
- koito17 4y agoAs petty as this may sound, I really don't like it when laptops arrange their modifier keys as Control-Fn-Super-Meta. My Macbook has the layout Fn-Control-Meta-Super, which makes Emacs very nice to use. Every time I use a "standard PC keyboard" or Windows laptop, I can barely use Emacs because it just feels uncomfortable having to stretch my pinky as far as possible just to hit a key. I know what some may be thinking, "just rebind the keys in software". But I also want the labels on my keys to not lie to me, and there is probably a risk of some software not respecting your custom keymap, too. This is my biggest gripe with non-Apple laptops and one of a few reasons why I'm stubbornly using an old Macbook.
- vhodges 4y agoWhich makes Apple wrong, my left pinky expects control there ;-p imo (even though I remap capslock to control). As for Emacs on Mac, I was forever closing the window instead of cutting since ALT and Command are in the wrong order (again for me). I now use an external keyboard which helps.
- koito17 4y agoHeh, I guess old habits die hard. I first began using Emacs on a Mac keyboard, so now I am too used to it. I guess my rant is more of a wish for Framework or some other manufacturer to offer this kind of layout, without needing a software solution like xmodmap. The moment Framework sells keyboards with modifier keys in the "correct" spot is the moment I'm ditching my Macbook.
- vhodges 4y ago:-D There was someone working on firmware that could remap keys (let me see if I can find a link... Welp, it looks like it can be remapped bios today https://community.frame.work/t/framework-and-open-source/10738/6 https://community.frame.work/t/framework-and-open-source/107... and the firmware is open source https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/EmbeddedController https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/EmbeddedController) and https://community.frame.work/t/changed-my-keyboard-layout-in-hardware-to-colemak/14174 https://community.frame.work/t/changed-my-keyboard-layout-in... I never did find the post I was thinking of (EDIT: Maybe this one: https://community.frame.work/t/a-qmk-configurable-keyboard/2086/21 https://community.frame.work/t/a-qmk-configurable-keyboard/2...)
- LoganDark 4y agoI love this laptop's keyboard layout, finally! This might be my next laptop if there's ever an option to have one without E-cores
- dxxvi 4y agoTo Framework: please cooperate with Costco/Sam's Club to sell your laptops there. Then I'll have a chance to try it.
- LoganDark 4y agoI emailed Framework back in 2021 about plans to make a larger laptop / one with a GPU and they said they weren't going to. Funny how that works.
- XorNot 4y ago16" with a not stupid keyboard is a compelling offer. Laptop sizes have gotten maddening since everyone decided numpads were required because who doesn't want to type off centre the whole time.
- rnikander 4y agoI wish I could build and deploy iOS apps from Linux on these things.
- pmontra 4y agoI wonder what's the width of the 16" version. Too bad that input configurability doesn't extend to the touchpad. I would love to be able to pick one with three physical buttons. Well, at least I could have a laptop without the numberpad.
- nrp 4y agoWhile we didn’t show a Touchpad module alternative, the Touchpad module does slide off, making alternatives technically possible. We’ll share documentation around this module as well soon.
- pmontra 4y agoThis is great news. Thanks.
- 112233 4y agoWould it be realistic to make Selnsel Morph that covered most of the input surface (keyboard and touchpad)? Now that Sensel has pivoted and abandoned the Morph, I have no idea what corporate handshaking would be necessary to produce additional units, but a large expensive touch surface that can be used either as a horrible keyboard or a MPE controller by swapping stencils could turn a lot of musicians heads
- squarefoot 4y ago"We’ve partnered with Cooler Master to create an awesome new way to re-use your Framework Laptop Mainboards: a transparent, small form factor case. This will be available this Spring for $39 USD." This is the way. More vendors should do that. A huge load of obsolete but perfectly working laptop mainboards could be repurposed to other uses. Need a small system to set up a service on a LAN but don't want to feed scalpers by buying their outrageously overpriced Raspberry PIs? What about reusing the board from that old EeePC many of us already have, etc?
- porphyra 4y agoThe $449 Intel 1340p or AMD Ryzen mainboard seems to be attractively priced against other barebones mini PCs and the Mac Mini too!
- nrp 4y agoAbsolutely. We really hope to see the secondary market emerge as well. As Framework Laptop owners upgrade to new Mainboards, we want to make sure those old Mainboards either get reused by the same person, or resold to another user who can make use of it as a PC.
- happymellon 4y agoI have old laptops that would be good enough to be a server, and low power enough that they probably should replace my current home server. Just a shame they don't have a Framework like backing for them! I think the only thing I didn't see was larger clickpads on the 16" laptop. I'm assuming this is all modular enough that once it comes along, I can just replace the wrist pad.
- ithrow 4y agoFor $300 you can get an i5-13400 and a board though.
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- zmmmmm 4y agoIt seems to be a secret how much RAM these things have - is it embarrassingly small, or nobody cares? It's been a revelation having 64gb in my Macbook, I never want to go back.
- yumraj 4y agowhat's secret? Even the Intel 13" can be configured and ordered with a max 64GB DDR4 RAM for a total of $240, so am sure that the 16" would be configurable with at least that much. AMD can be configure for 64GB DDR5 for $320. Again, that is total $240 for 64GB RAM. Apple charges $800 to upgrade from 16GB to 64GB. RAM can also be purchased separately from the marketplace[0], or from a retailer of your choice, if cheaper. [0] https://frame.work/products/ram?v=P2032X2 https://frame.work/products/ram?v=P2032X2
- zmmmmm 4y agothank you! just surprised it's not right there as a spec on the page for the 16" which clearly would be for power users. So many laptops max out at 32g or even 16g.
- fomine3 4y agoDoes they adopt new CAMM DDR5 module?
- steponlego 4y agoArgh why'd they have to make it with a chicklet keyboard LOL?
- shmerl 4y agoWhat's the story with AMD's Zen 4 / RDNA 3 APUs, are they coming out?
- galaxyLogic 4y agoI'm really happy with my HUAWEI keyboard. It has no wasted space and great backlighting and great touch. I like it much better than any other keyboard like Logitech etc. Small but not too small. It is small enough to carry around but still "full-size". No numeric keypad but I don't really need one. So if I needed a laptop I imagine I would get one which can flip to just the display in a tent-mode and then I would carry my keyboard separately. I never liked any laptop keyboard much. I could move and position this keyboard optimally which you can not do with a fixed laptop keyboard. Here's a link to their website. https://consumer.huawei.com/en/accessories/ultrathin-keyboard/ https://consumer.huawei.com/en/accessories/ultrathin-keyboar...
- INTPenis 4y agoI hope these guys hang in there for the long haul. Because right now it seems to be for enthusiasts since there is only US keyboard and expected shipping i Q3. I'm happy with my current laptop but at some point I'm going to need a new one so it feels great that there are so many amazing options out there. I just hope that at some point when I need that new laptop I'll be able to order one within a few weeks and my language on the keyboard.
- 0x49d1 4y agoThey already shipped 2 generations of mainboards and more or less everything is really fine. They have good support + upgradability (former Thinkpad user, took Framework with 32RAM, but in the process realized that I need 64 -> not a problem at all), had 0 problems with drivers on Windows 11(but had some on Linux Mint). As about keyboard: just buy transparent stickers with your language, no need to wait for them to prepare engraved keyboards with "all layouts".
- INTPenis 4y agoOh I know about framework, I'm looking forward to owning one. But stickers are not a viable solution. Even though I've been typing on keyboards since the 80s, and placed in top 10 on typeracer ;) I still want actual keys and not stickers that will be worn out within months. And delivery in "Q3" is also not a good situation. That means people who are buying these already have a laptop that works. I generally don't want to own that many devices that I don't use. So I'm really looking forward to a time when framework laptops are treated just like any other Dell or Lenovo.
- jhanschoo 4y agoThis looks amazing, and makes me finally consider a Framework laptop for my next laptop: my must haves are good displays and discrete graphics, and this model seems to allow upgrading of these.
- Snuupy 4y agofor the 16": - I would love an option to have upwards firing speakers where flex/numpad space goes instead (one on each side). - please improve the bass in the speakers. according to notebookcheck's review, framework speakers have poor/near 0 bass output. - please offer a 4k screen option on the 16". 1440p-ish screens with DPI scaling hackery is no fun and often leads to blurry UIs.
- sedatk 4y agoI couldn't find information on display resolution. Actually "Display" section seems to have been edited out: the section exists but no information in there. Does anyone know why?
- sedatk 4y agoI've found the answer: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35290207 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35290207
- bodge5000 4y agoAMD frameworks is massive news, but to be honest I'm probably most excited about the customisable keyboard. Whilst I don't need a numpad, the possibility of adding a built-in midi controller to my laptop sounds fantastic. Also looks like the cooling has been improved. Was very close to pulling the trigger on a new Thinkpad, but now I might hold off. I just wish you could get frameworks in the same finish, though I suppose with the chassis being open source its feasible that someone else will start selling those
- cc9one 4y agoI use an external keyboard. If you offered a display that can replace the location of the keyboard, you’ll have my business.
- jknvv13 4y agoIs there any news about a dark grey (space grey) option or a full matte black one? Would love to see a full dark chassis for the 16" one.