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He is probably better off getting caught and get his sentence over with than to live watching his back betting a country won’t turn him in for decades

by m3kw9 4y ago

notch898a 4y ago
Have you ever been in a jail cell? Almost every day in the US you see someone who decides to go out with guns blazing rather than go back.
- consumer451 4y ago
  This sounds like Hollywood reality for white collar. Here is actual reality: > "Hey Do, I just want to let you know, jail is not that bad," Shkreli said. "So don't fret – I hope it doesn't happen. If it does happen ... it's not that bad." - Martin Shkreli https://www.coindesk.com/business/2022/11/08/pharma-bro-martin-shkreli-to-lunas-do-kwon-jail-is-not-that-bad/ https://www.coindesk.com/business/2022/11/08/pharma-bro-mart...
  - ChrisMarshallNY 4y ago
    The general rule of thumb, is that, if it's nonviolent, and less than ten years, it's Camp Cupcake (minimum security -no walls). If it's over a decade, or violent/escape risk, then it's Leavenworth. I've known folks that have done both.
    - notch898a 4y ago
      The lesson learned from Ross Ulbricht is that there's a good chance it's Leavenworth for non-violent internet crime. Edit: per usual folks come out of the woodwork to accuse Ross of murder-for-hire despite the fact he was not convicted of any murder related charge, only generic conspiracies for which the overt act could have been a number of options (such as drug distribution). The jury never specifically said the overt act they convicted the conspiracy was murder for hire, yet the judge sentenced him as if he were guilty of that.
      - jamiek88 4y ago
        Ross literally hired hitmen to kill someone who owed him money. The fact that he didn’t know it was an undercover agent (pro tip if you hire a hit man and you aren’t customarily in ‘that life’ you are always hiring an undercover agent) is irrelevant. He still required and received ‘proof’ of the deed, a photo of the aftermath, staged of course. He was even cold blooded with the ‘collateral damage’ of the intended victims family being home when the hit was to go down. All this was taken into account at sentencing. The attempt to whitewash Ross into a sympathetic internet hero figure like Aaron Swartz is transparent and wrong.
        zoklet-enjoyer 4y ago
        If that actually happened, why didn't they prosecute him for it?
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        toss1 4y ago
        Just like most habitual criminals, even serial murderers — focusing limited resources on the easier-to-convict and sufficient-jail-time crimes. Nothing says they have to prosecute every single crime. So, yes, just because it isn't prosecuted, doesn't mean there wasn't a crime committed, it just didn't result in a conviction. They already got a life in prison and forfeiting $183,961,921 [0]. They don't need more, and there are other criminals to prosecute. [0] https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/ross-ulbricht-aka-dread-pirate-roberts-sentenced-manhattan-federal-court-life-prison https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/ross-ulbricht-aka-dread...
        vkou 4y ago
        Because the other stuff he did was also enough to put him away forever. The better question is: "Why are people so insistant on whitewashing him?" Do they not think that hiring a contract killer is, like, no big deal? Do they regularly pretend to hire them? Are they just closing ranks around him because they think he's part of their in-tribe?
  - paulpauper 4y ago
    Bigly difference between a few years at camp jail vs. life or decade + at medium or worse facility. Significant white collar fraud that entails a longer than 10 year sentence would likely be served at a medium, not a camp, due to flight risk. I think Do Kwan would get the latter (assuming he is extradited to US, charged, sentenced, etc.).
  - jongjong 4y ago
    I suspect that a lot of decent people go to jail nowadays. That would explain why jails aren't so bad and why different facilities are so inconsistent. I can imagine a day when good people will be in jail and bad people will be outside running them. I think in some countries, this is not far from reality.
- ctvo 4y ago
  > Have you ever been in a jail cell? Almost every day in the US you see someone who decides to go out with guns blazing rather than go back. ... what? Who are these people going out in a blaze of glory rather than returning to prison? Considering there are millions of ex-cons, many who will be repeat offenders, we should be seeing many more of these people going out "guns blazing" rather than returning to prison, yeah? Or did you pull this fun fact from a viewing of The Town?
  - notch898a 4y ago
    google 'felon warrant fires police' I'm honestly shocked I'm forced to even cite that this happens. Although I suppose if someone has lived in America and made it to adulthood without acknowledging the stories they aren't going to be convinced.
    - duxup 4y ago
      I don’t think that search result would support your statement.
      - tehwebguy 4y ago
        Yeah, they don't.
        mrcode007 4y ago
        He said google. Not bing ;-P Plenty of shootings involving felons on parole in the news.
        xapata 4y ago
        News articles are biased towards likelihood of clicks.
        mrcode007 4y ago
        That doesn’t make them any less true? I think you’re confusing selection bias with the fact that something happened. Say a news outlet says “X happened and it’s bad”. Another news outlet says “X happened and it’s good.” Both have their respective slant. Fine. But BOTH say X happened. Stuff that’s not newsworthy doesn’t go into news. You can’t just dismiss facts with prejudice as in “Don’t look up”.
phphphphp 4y ago
He’ll be watching his back in prison, he’s got access to billions of dollars — or, at least, is perceived to. He has wronged a lot of people, too. Also, prison is a one way street: if he stays on the run, and some day things do get to the point where he would feel safer in prison, he could hand himself in. Once he’s in prison, he has no choice left.
- kijin 4y ago
  The South Korean justice system is notoriously lenient on white-collar crime, and it's exceedingly rare even for violent criminals to be murdered in a Korean prison. The popular perception is that you can spend a couple of years in prison and enjoy your ill-gotten gains for the rest of your life with no further repercussions, provided you've hidden your money well enough. Guess what, the whole point of crypto is that it's easy to hide. A few years ago, a man named Son Jung-woo was arrested for running what was the largest child porn site in the world back then. His sentence? 18 months. The U.S. wanted to put him away for life, but the Korean courts would not deport him. I'm sure Do Kwon would rather hand himself in to the Korean authorities than risk going to prison in any other country.
  - nbar1 4y ago
    > the whole point of crypto is that it's easy to hide. This couldn't be further from the truth and shows how the majority of people do not understand the benefits that crypto offers.
    - HDThoreaun 4y ago
      Other than speculation the main use case of crypto is hiding money. Sure many people do it poorly, but it is possible and in fact the main use case.
      - Cardinal7167 4y ago
        You could say this exact same thing about cash and be just as correct.
paulpauper 4y ago
depends if they send him to the US. Then it would be way worse
- abudabi123 4y ago
  He could follow ”Fat Leonard's“ path out.
  - jonathankoren 4y ago
    Jesus that was just embarrassing. At least they recaptured him in Venezuela after a few days.
- rocket_surgeron 4y ago
  Korean prisons make US prisons look like the Ritz Carlton. This may have changed since I lived there in the early 2000s, but they shave your head and make you perform hard labor for 12 hours a day, usually farming to raise most of the food that you will eat while incarcerated. In the South Korean Army, seniors beat juniors with impunity and abuse them so brazenly that US soldiers get briefings to "mind your own business" when they arrive and again before any joint operations with the ROKA-- and the prisons are worse. My roommate when I lived there was a KATUSA, a Korean soldier who spoke English who was embedded in the US Army, and he was happy every single day because every Korean male has to be in the army and "in the US army they don't beat the shit out of you". In the US a fraudster like Kwon will go to a facility like FCI Otisville. https://www.google.com/maps/place/41°29'47.0%22N+74°31'38.0%22W/@41.4954251,-74.5276934,587m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m4!3m3!8m2!3d41.496389!4d-74.527222?hl=en https://www.google.com/maps/place/41°29'47.0%22N+74°31'38.0%... Please note the tennis courts and baseball diamond.
  - Eisenstein 4y ago
    Have you seen a Korean prison or heard first hand accounts of people who have experienced it?
    - rocket_surgeron 4y ago

He is probably better off getting caught and get his sentence over with than to live watching his back betting a country won’t turn him in for decades

by m3kw9 4y ago

He is probably better off getting caught and get his sentence over with than to live watching his back betting a country won’t turn him in for decades

notch898a 4y ago

Have you ever been in a jail cell? Almost every day in the US you see someone who decides to go out with guns blazing rather than go back.

consumer451 4y ago
This sounds like Hollywood reality for white collar. Here is actual reality: > "Hey Do, I just want to let you know, jail is not that bad," Shkreli said. "So don't fret – I hope it doesn't happen. If it does happen ... it's not that bad." - Martin Shkreli https://www.coindesk.com/business/2022/11/08/pharma-bro-martin-shkreli-to-lunas-do-kwon-jail-is-not-that-bad/ https://www.coindesk.com/business/2022/11/08/pharma-bro-mart...
- ChrisMarshallNY 4y ago
  The general rule of thumb, is that, if it's nonviolent, and less than ten years, it's Camp Cupcake (minimum security -no walls). If it's over a decade, or violent/escape risk, then it's Leavenworth. I've known folks that have done both.
  - notch898a 4y ago
    The lesson learned from Ross Ulbricht is that there's a good chance it's Leavenworth for non-violent internet crime. Edit: per usual folks come out of the woodwork to accuse Ross of murder-for-hire despite the fact he was not convicted of any murder related charge, only generic conspiracies for which the overt act could have been a number of options (such as drug distribution). The jury never specifically said the overt act they convicted the conspiracy was murder for hire, yet the judge sentenced him as if he were guilty of that.
    - jamiek88 4y ago
      Ross literally hired hitmen to kill someone who owed him money. The fact that he didn’t know it was an undercover agent (pro tip if you hire a hit man and you aren’t customarily in ‘that life’ you are always hiring an undercover agent) is irrelevant. He still required and received ‘proof’ of the deed, a photo of the aftermath, staged of course. He was even cold blooded with the ‘collateral damage’ of the intended victims family being home when the hit was to go down. All this was taken into account at sentencing. The attempt to whitewash Ross into a sympathetic internet hero figure like Aaron Swartz is transparent and wrong.
      - zoklet-enjoyer 4y ago
        If that actually happened, why didn't they prosecute him for it?
        deleted 4y ago
        [deleted]
        toss1 4y ago
        Just like most habitual criminals, even serial murderers — focusing limited resources on the easier-to-convict and sufficient-jail-time crimes. Nothing says they have to prosecute every single crime. So, yes, just because it isn't prosecuted, doesn't mean there wasn't a crime committed, it just didn't result in a conviction. They already got a life in prison and forfeiting $183,961,921 [0]. They don't need more, and there are other criminals to prosecute. [0] https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/ross-ulbricht-aka-dread-pirate-roberts-sentenced-manhattan-federal-court-life-prison https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/ross-ulbricht-aka-dread...
        vkou 4y ago
        Because the other stuff he did was also enough to put him away forever. The better question is: "Why are people so insistant on whitewashing him?" Do they not think that hiring a contract killer is, like, no big deal? Do they regularly pretend to hire them? Are they just closing ranks around him because they think he's part of their in-tribe?
- paulpauper 4y ago
  Bigly difference between a few years at camp jail vs. life or decade + at medium or worse facility. Significant white collar fraud that entails a longer than 10 year sentence would likely be served at a medium, not a camp, due to flight risk. I think Do Kwan would get the latter (assuming he is extradited to US, charged, sentenced, etc.).
- jongjong 4y ago
  I suspect that a lot of decent people go to jail nowadays. That would explain why jails aren't so bad and why different facilities are so inconsistent. I can imagine a day when good people will be in jail and bad people will be outside running them. I think in some countries, this is not far from reality.
ctvo 4y ago
> Have you ever been in a jail cell? Almost every day in the US you see someone who decides to go out with guns blazing rather than go back. ... what? Who are these people going out in a blaze of glory rather than returning to prison? Considering there are millions of ex-cons, many who will be repeat offenders, we should be seeing many more of these people going out "guns blazing" rather than returning to prison, yeah? Or did you pull this fun fact from a viewing of The Town?
- notch898a 4y ago
  google 'felon warrant fires police' I'm honestly shocked I'm forced to even cite that this happens. Although I suppose if someone has lived in America and made it to adulthood without acknowledging the stories they aren't going to be convinced.
  - duxup 4y ago
    I don’t think that search result would support your statement.
    - tehwebguy 4y ago
      Yeah, they don't.
      - mrcode007 4y ago
        He said google. Not bing ;-P Plenty of shootings involving felons on parole in the news.
        xapata 4y ago
        News articles are biased towards likelihood of clicks.
        mrcode007 4y ago
        That doesn’t make them any less true? I think you’re confusing selection bias with the fact that something happened. Say a news outlet says “X happened and it’s bad”. Another news outlet says “X happened and it’s good.” Both have their respective slant. Fine. But BOTH say X happened. Stuff that’s not newsworthy doesn’t go into news. You can’t just dismiss facts with prejudice as in “Don’t look up”.

phphphphp 4y ago

He’ll be watching his back in prison, he’s got access to billions of dollars — or, at least, is perceived to. He has wronged a lot of people, too. Also, prison is a one way street: if he stays on the run, and some day things do get to the point where he would feel safer in prison, he could hand himself in. Once he’s in prison, he has no choice left.

kijin 4y ago
The South Korean justice system is notoriously lenient on white-collar crime, and it's exceedingly rare even for violent criminals to be murdered in a Korean prison. The popular perception is that you can spend a couple of years in prison and enjoy your ill-gotten gains for the rest of your life with no further repercussions, provided you've hidden your money well enough. Guess what, the whole point of crypto is that it's easy to hide. A few years ago, a man named Son Jung-woo was arrested for running what was the largest child porn site in the world back then. His sentence? 18 months. The U.S. wanted to put him away for life, but the Korean courts would not deport him. I'm sure Do Kwon would rather hand himself in to the Korean authorities than risk going to prison in any other country.
- nbar1 4y ago
  > the whole point of crypto is that it's easy to hide. This couldn't be further from the truth and shows how the majority of people do not understand the benefits that crypto offers.
  - HDThoreaun 4y ago
    Other than speculation the main use case of crypto is hiding money. Sure many people do it poorly, but it is possible and in fact the main use case.
    - Cardinal7167 4y ago
      You could say this exact same thing about cash and be just as correct.

paulpauper 4y ago

depends if they send him to the US. Then it would be way worse

abudabi123 4y ago
He could follow ”Fat Leonard's“ path out.
- jonathankoren 4y ago
  Jesus that was just embarrassing. At least they recaptured him in Venezuela after a few days.
rocket_surgeron 4y ago
Korean prisons make US prisons look like the Ritz Carlton. This may have changed since I lived there in the early 2000s, but they shave your head and make you perform hard labor for 12 hours a day, usually farming to raise most of the food that you will eat while incarcerated. In the South Korean Army, seniors beat juniors with impunity and abuse them so brazenly that US soldiers get briefings to "mind your own business" when they arrive and again before any joint operations with the ROKA-- and the prisons are worse. My roommate when I lived there was a KATUSA, a Korean soldier who spoke English who was embedded in the US Army, and he was happy every single day because every Korean male has to be in the army and "in the US army they don't beat the shit out of you". In the US a fraudster like Kwon will go to a facility like FCI Otisville. https://www.google.com/maps/place/41°29'47.0%22N+74°31'38.0%22W/@41.4954251,-74.5276934,587m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m4!3m3!8m2!3d41.496389!4d-74.527222?hl=en https://www.google.com/maps/place/41°29'47.0%22N+74°31'38.0%... Please note the tennis courts and baseball diamond.
- Eisenstein 4y ago
  Have you seen a Korean prison or heard first hand accounts of people who have experienced it?
  - rocket_surgeron 4y ago