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Elon Musk's tweets unleashed a wave of hate

48 points by finne 4y ago

baidifnaoxi 4y ago
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- T-A 4y ago
  It doesn't take many seconds to find the thread: https://twitter.com/mariannaspring/status/1632638831575924736 https://twitter.com/mariannaspring/status/163263883157592473...
  - d23 4y ago
    It’s really surreal seeing essentially every news outlet and every journalist being called fake on every corner of the internet these days.
    - Nasrudith 4y ago
      Confirmation bias is one hell of a drug. Combine that with legitimate issues of credibility with a lot of "journalists" who have earned their bad reputation.
- Zigurd 4y ago
  HR would like a word
- HN_is_for_gemes 4y ago
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funstuff007 4y ago
I'm reminded of the Chris Rock joke about Lululemon and their $100 no-hate yoga pants. But given that price they actually hate poor people.
- prepend 4y ago
  But they hate them without racism.
  - dieselgate 4y ago
    Is this sarcasm? I thought a reason of choosing the name “lululemon” was that it can be difficult to pronounce for some https://www.businessinsider.com/history-of-lululemon-2015-9?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/history-of-lululemon-2015-9?... Edit: the linked article suggests it wasn’t “a reason” but rather “the reason” for the name, I was being too forgiving
    - prepend 4y ago
      That’s interesting about the name, I didn’t know that. However, I don’t think it’s racist. A Japanese marketing firm designing a brand for Japan chose the name with 3 Ls because that letter doesn’t exist in Japanese, so would seem more like a non-Japanese, American brand. That seems very different from someone choosing it to laugh at how some people can’t say it.
giraffe_lady 4y ago
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- the_shivers 4y ago
  What's the difference between far right extremist and center-right person?
  - giraffe_lady 4y ago
    I made a specific statement of fact about the public actions of an individual. I'm not interested in, nor do I think there's anything to be gained by, a broader conversation about the boundaries of right ideologies in this context. If this is a sincere attempt to seek knowledge I recommend wikipedia! FWIW though, people who self identify as members of far right groups like literally neo nazis consider musk an ally. And I do trust their judgement on this one very specific thing.
    - lordloki 4y ago
      You wrote an opinion, then refused to clarify when asked.
      - giraffe_lady 4y ago
        Yes.
    - prepend 4y ago
      > FWIW though, people who self identify as members of far right groups like literally neo nazis consider musk an ally. And I do trust their judgement on this one very specific thing. I don’t like this line of reasoning as literal neo nazis also like Coca Cola, and democracy, and Barbara Streisand and many other common things. More information is needed and I think unilateral preferences toward Musk or anything else needs more clarification as to why before they are useful. Stating that some jerks like someone isn’t really that interesting as it’s such a squishy statement. “Some people who are Nazis consider X an ally” (even though X has made no statements about or even explicitly denounced Nazis). This seems like a way to throw shade at people without giving a real reason.
flippinburgers 4y ago
She doesn't name names.
- lapcat 4y ago
  What would be the point of naming names? 1) A lot of Twitter users are anonymous or have fake names. 2) The story is about the volume of hate, so why would individual names be relevant? 3) Twitter trolls are often seeking attention (Musk himself being a case in point), so naming them just rewards their behavior.
BurnGpuBurn 4y ago
Funny how the BBC keeps complaining about Musk's Twitter take over but refuses to cover the Twitter Files he's been releasing. Guess those government millions are put to good use.
- BurningPenguin 4y ago
  You mean like this one? https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-63963779 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-63963779
- noirscape 4y ago
  The thing is that "the Twitter Files" just... broadly aren't interesting. It's just a bunch of stuff that was already known or internal conversations that don't shift the needle one way or the other. "Social media company has discussion about how to apply moderation practices" isn't news unless you're looking to make a quick buck of pretending that it is. (Especially if you can frame it in such a way that whatever camp you belong to is being silenced and censored.) Neither are things like algorithmic deprioritization or shadowbanning. These are bog-standard moderation tools. It's well... not news. There's nothing to report there unless you want the report to be "social media company does what every other social media company does, more at 11". Twitter has always been transparent about government requests, they literally have a site dedicated to listing that[0]. It used to be updated every year but ironically 2022 data isn't available because I guess Musk fired everyone involved with it/didn't think it is a priority to keep updated (ironic given the supposed claims of the Twitter Files.) The closest thing I ever saw to something being interesting is that certain accounts have immunity against Twitters regular flagging system, instead being marked with "only let the higher-ups make decisions". I think there's an interesting discussion to be had about how fame apparently gives you the option to break most rules on a social media site unless blowback becomes so significant that the upper management decided you're not worth the trouble, but that's not the discussion that's being held. (This is, if I had to guess, entirely because of the significant overlap between "famous person who thinks Twitter Files matter" and "famous person with immunity against the rules", but I admit that that is just a guess.) [0]: https://transparency.twitter.com/en/reports/information-requests.html#2021-jul-dec https://transparency.twitter.com/en/reports/information-requ...
lapcat 4y ago
"Antisemitism on Twitter has more than doubled since Elon Musk took over" https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/03/antisemitism-on-twitter-has-more-than-doubled-since-elon-musk-took-over/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/03/antisemitism-on-...
moritzwarhier 4y ago
This is one of the rare times where I come to a comment section out of having read the article before. Sure the platform moderation problem always will stir a censorship / FoS discussion. But the article lists forms of abuse (e.g. detailed death threats) that are or definitely should not be legal in my view. This might be a subjective observation, but all in all Twitter has become an even more hateful and extremely unpleasant place on the internet since Musk took over. Dangerous I'd say even. Even after reading one interesting thread (without a login), I quickly get suggested plain hate speech or far-right content. This extends to Musk himself, as the article already explains. Another thing are conspiracy memes designed to stir up hate, which Musk also happily shares. I don't even need any more screenshots or examples for this, every brief Twitter experience that I have from time to time seems to confirm to me how it's rapidly gotten even worse than before.

48 points by finne 4y ago

baidifnaoxi 4y ago

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T-A 4y ago
It doesn't take many seconds to find the thread: https://twitter.com/mariannaspring/status/1632638831575924736 https://twitter.com/mariannaspring/status/163263883157592473...
- d23 4y ago
  It’s really surreal seeing essentially every news outlet and every journalist being called fake on every corner of the internet these days.
  - Nasrudith 4y ago
    Confirmation bias is one hell of a drug. Combine that with legitimate issues of credibility with a lot of "journalists" who have earned their bad reputation.
Zigurd 4y ago
HR would like a word
HN_is_for_gemes 4y ago
[dead]

funstuff007 4y ago

I'm reminded of the Chris Rock joke about Lululemon and their $100 no-hate yoga pants. But given that price they actually hate poor people.

prepend 4y ago
But they hate them without racism.
- dieselgate 4y ago
  Is this sarcasm? I thought a reason of choosing the name “lululemon” was that it can be difficult to pronounce for some https://www.businessinsider.com/history-of-lululemon-2015-9?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/history-of-lululemon-2015-9?... Edit: the linked article suggests it wasn’t “a reason” but rather “the reason” for the name, I was being too forgiving
  - prepend 4y ago
    That’s interesting about the name, I didn’t know that. However, I don’t think it’s racist. A Japanese marketing firm designing a brand for Japan chose the name with 3 Ls because that letter doesn’t exist in Japanese, so would seem more like a non-Japanese, American brand. That seems very different from someone choosing it to laugh at how some people can’t say it.

giraffe_lady 4y ago

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the_shivers 4y ago
What's the difference between far right extremist and center-right person?
- giraffe_lady 4y ago
  I made a specific statement of fact about the public actions of an individual. I'm not interested in, nor do I think there's anything to be gained by, a broader conversation about the boundaries of right ideologies in this context. If this is a sincere attempt to seek knowledge I recommend wikipedia! FWIW though, people who self identify as members of far right groups like literally neo nazis consider musk an ally. And I do trust their judgement on this one very specific thing.
  - lordloki 4y ago
    You wrote an opinion, then refused to clarify when asked.
    - giraffe_lady 4y ago
      Yes.
  - prepend 4y ago
    > FWIW though, people who self identify as members of far right groups like literally neo nazis consider musk an ally. And I do trust their judgement on this one very specific thing. I don’t like this line of reasoning as literal neo nazis also like Coca Cola, and democracy, and Barbara Streisand and many other common things. More information is needed and I think unilateral preferences toward Musk or anything else needs more clarification as to why before they are useful. Stating that some jerks like someone isn’t really that interesting as it’s such a squishy statement. “Some people who are Nazis consider X an ally” (even though X has made no statements about or even explicitly denounced Nazis). This seems like a way to throw shade at people without giving a real reason.

flippinburgers 4y ago

She doesn't name names.

lapcat 4y ago
What would be the point of naming names? 1) A lot of Twitter users are anonymous or have fake names. 2) The story is about the volume of hate, so why would individual names be relevant? 3) Twitter trolls are often seeking attention (Musk himself being a case in point), so naming them just rewards their behavior.

BurnGpuBurn 4y ago

Funny how the BBC keeps complaining about Musk's Twitter take over but refuses to cover the Twitter Files he's been releasing. Guess those government millions are put to good use.

BurningPenguin 4y ago
You mean like this one? https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-63963779 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-63963779
noirscape 4y ago
The thing is that "the Twitter Files" just... broadly aren't interesting. It's just a bunch of stuff that was already known or internal conversations that don't shift the needle one way or the other. "Social media company has discussion about how to apply moderation practices" isn't news unless you're looking to make a quick buck of pretending that it is. (Especially if you can frame it in such a way that whatever camp you belong to is being silenced and censored.) Neither are things like algorithmic deprioritization or shadowbanning. These are bog-standard moderation tools. It's well... not news. There's nothing to report there unless you want the report to be "social media company does what every other social media company does, more at 11". Twitter has always been transparent about government requests, they literally have a site dedicated to listing that[0]. It used to be updated every year but ironically 2022 data isn't available because I guess Musk fired everyone involved with it/didn't think it is a priority to keep updated (ironic given the supposed claims of the Twitter Files.) The closest thing I ever saw to something being interesting is that certain accounts have immunity against Twitters regular flagging system, instead being marked with "only let the higher-ups make decisions". I think there's an interesting discussion to be had about how fame apparently gives you the option to break most rules on a social media site unless blowback becomes so significant that the upper management decided you're not worth the trouble, but that's not the discussion that's being held. (This is, if I had to guess, entirely because of the significant overlap between "famous person who thinks Twitter Files matter" and "famous person with immunity against the rules", but I admit that that is just a guess.) [0]: https://transparency.twitter.com/en/reports/information-requests.html#2021-jul-dec https://transparency.twitter.com/en/reports/information-requ...

lapcat 4y ago

"Antisemitism on Twitter has more than doubled since Elon Musk took over" https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/03/antisemitism-on-twitter-has-more-than-doubled-since-elon-musk-took-over/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/03/antisemitism-on-...

moritzwarhier 4y ago

This is one of the rare times where I come to a comment section out of having read the article before. Sure the platform moderation problem always will stir a censorship / FoS discussion. But the article lists forms of abuse (e.g. detailed death threats) that are or definitely should not be legal in my view. This might be a subjective observation, but all in all Twitter has become an even more hateful and extremely unpleasant place on the internet since Musk took over. Dangerous I'd say even. Even after reading one interesting thread (without a login), I quickly get suggested plain hate speech or far-right content. This extends to Musk himself, as the article already explains. Another thing are conspiracy memes designed to stir up hate, which Musk also happily shares. I don't even need any more screenshots or examples for this, every brief Twitter experience that I have from time to time seems to confirm to me how it's rapidly gotten even worse than before.