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This is legitimately filling me with anxiety. I'm not an "AI hype guy". I work on and understand machine learning. But these scores are shocking and it makes me
by fdgsdfogijq 4y ago
This is legitimately filling me with anxiety. I'm not an "AI hype guy". I work on and understand machine learning. But these scores are shocking and it makes me nervous. Things are about to change
- Kaibeezy 4y agoYeah, but I kind of want my diagnostician to be obsoleted by orders of magnitude.
- xena 4y agoA human can be held accountable for making mistakes and killing someone. A large language model has no concept of guilt and cannot be held accountable for making what we consider a mistake that leads to someone's death.
- mschuster91 4y agoWe can hold those operating or training the AI model accountable.
- Kaibeezy 4y agoAt a some degree of success, I will take the risk. The contract will probably offer it.
- gus_massa 4y agoI agree. My guess is that the hospital will have to get a mandatory insurance. Let's wait until the insurance for AI is cheaper than paying a human. The advantage of human are: * They can give a bushtit explanation of why they made a mistake. My guess is that in the future AI will gain introspection and/or learn to bushtit excuses. * You can hang them in the public square (or send them to jail). Sometimes the family and/or the press want someone to blame. This is more difficult to solve and will need a cultural change or the creation of Scapegoats as a Service.
- burnished 4y agoWell, the kinds of things we hold people responsible for are errors from negligence and malicious errors. The reasons people do stuff like that is complicated but I think boils down to being limited agents trying to fulfill a complex set of needs. So where does guilt come in? Its not like you expect a band saw to feel guilt, and its unclear how that would improve the tool.
- lynx23 4y agoThe chance of a doctor being held accountable for the medical errors they make is lower then you might expect. I could tell you a story about that. Lost my eyesight at the age of 5 because I happened to meet the wrong doctor at the wrong time, and was abused for his personal experimentation needs. No consequences, simply because high ranking people are more protected then you would hope.
- chordalkeyboard 4y agoThe chance of a machine being held accountable is zero as the concept is inapplicable.
- Workaccount2 4y agoIt will have to payout of its blockchain wallet that naturally it will have. /s
- lynx23 4y agoMedical error is the third leading cause of death in the US at least. Given that data, I am assuming the chances of a human being held accountable for their errors in medicine is also almost zero. It might not be ccompletely zero, but I think the difference is effectively negligible.
- chordalkeyboard 4y ago> I think the difference is effectively negligible. The difference is categorical, humans are responsible whether they are held to account or not. An automated system effectively dissipates this responsibility over a system such that it is inherently impossible to hold any human accountable for the error, regardless of desire.
- Tozen 4y agoMany have no idea about this. Medical error, is right there behind cancer and heart attacks. But there is way too much shoulder shrugging when it happens. Then on to the next.
- dsfyu404ed 4y agoHumans making decisions in high stakes situations do so in a context where responsibility is intentionally diffuse to a point where it is practically impossible to hold someone accountable except picking someone at random as a scapegoat in situations where "something" needs to be done. Killing people with AI is only a lateral move.
- Tenoke 4y agoI'd much prefer a lower chance of dying to more accountability for whoever is responsible but higher chance.
- sebzim4500 4y agoWhat's the difference between suing your doctor's liability insurance and suing your AI's liability insurance?
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y agoThe third leading cause of death is medical error in the US. It doesn't really look like doctors are being held accountable for their mistakes to me. Which isn't to say that they even should, really. It's complicated. You don't want a doctor to be so afraid of making a mistake that they do nothing, after all.
- SoftTalker 4y agoDoctors are only held accountable when they do somthing negligent or something that they "should have known" was wrong. That's a pretty hard thing to prove in a field like medicine where there are very few absolutes. "Amputated the wrong limb" is one thing, but "misdiagnosed my condition as something else with very similar symptoms" is the more common case and also the case where it's difficult to attribute fault.
- SanderNL 4y agoThe owner/operator of said machine can and will.
- afavour 4y agoAn AI trained on the past work of diagnosticians doesn't really render diagnosticians obsolete.
- anonymouse008 4y agoSomeone still must accept liability. Until there’s a decision squarely who is liable for an LLMs suggestion / work - nothing to fear. Sure people will become liability aggregators for LLMs to scale - but the idea they will be free roaming is a bit hard to believe.
- jimbokun 4y agoFear of liability is not going to stop these things being used...any more than sport regulations prevented athletes from taking steroids.
- SoftTalker 4y agoIt's not even that extreme. Long term steroid use destroys your health. Liability can be insured; it's a simple financial calculation. If (profit - cost of insurance) > liability it will be done.
- criddell 4y agoFor me, the anxiety probably won't really hit until GPT-n writes GPT-n+1.
- JimDabell 4y agoYou can already use an LLM to train a smaller, more efficient LLM without significant loss in results.
- canoebuilder 4y agoDo you mean the output of a LLM as the training data for the new model? What is the specification for the prompts that generate the training data? Any links with more info?
- luxcem 4y agoThere were just an article submitted few days ago about Alpaca, a LLM trained on GPT prompts: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35136624 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35136624
- canoebuilder 4y agoThanks!
- qwertox 4y agoI for one would be happy to have a personal bureaucrat which would do the right things needed for all government interactions. Remind me, explain to me and fill out forms for me. In theory a lot of government employees would be out of a job within 10 years, but of course that would never happen.
- spaceman_2020 4y agoHonestly starting to feel like the beginning of the end of most white collar work. Which might be a good thing? I have no idea how the future will play out.