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Legal structures and especially state or state sponsored entities in Canada work much differently than in the US. The ICBC has a literal state sponsored monopo

• noughtme 4y ago
  "Wild" meaning, the police can still impound your car at their discretion if you blow below not just the legal limit of 0.08, but below the warning limit of 0.05, or even 0!
  • Scoundreller 4y ago
    No shortage of drugs that can make someone a terrible driver. Many drivers are worse alcohol-free than a legally drunk good driver. Focussing on one cause of bad driving (lots of alcohol) is a weak approach to road safety.
    • lotsofpulp 4y ago
      Or a mobile device. Any time of day, I would estimate at least 50% of drivers are glancing down and using phones while driving. Even cops.
      • InitialLastName 4y ago
        In my area, cops are worse: They often have a full-blown laptop mounted on the dashboard next to them that always to be demanding more of their attention than the road.
    • brailsafe 4y ago
      This is a weak argument against checkstops. If you're a worse driver without alchohol or other relevant impairments then you shouldn't be driving either. I can't see road signs very-well without corrective lenses, so I don't, and I wouldn't pass a test without them. If you need alchohol to be a good enough driver, you probably won't pass the test sober, or we should have better tests. Moving cars are killing machines unless you're driving them well. I've been stopped at checkpoints and support them. They're scary, but driving is a priviledge and you shouldn't fuck around with it. They're also not a solution to road safety, they just address one category. Overall road safety comes from a complete reversal of car-dependance along with improvements to road design.
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• originalcopying 4y ago
  I clicked > https://www.reddit.com/r/nottheonion/comments/xa9j3x/church_ https://www.reddit.com/r/nottheonion/comments/xa9j3x/church_ to get > Sorry, this post has been removed by the moderators of r/nottheonion.
  • zx8080 4y ago
    The post title is all what's remaining. It says: > Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster's ICBC pirate hat fight deepens
  • wging 4y ago
    You can't see the underlying link? It's visible on old.reddit.com: https://www.richmond-news.com/highlights/church-of-the-flying-spaghetti-monsters-icbc-pirate-hat-fight-deepens-5791686 https://www.richmond-news.com/highlights/church-of-the-flyin....
    • mynameisvlad 4y ago
      Nope, on new reddit the link isn't clickable. I actually didn't know this was a feature of old.reddit, TIL!
  • robotnikman 4y ago
    Gotta love the overzealous powermods of Reddit...
    • originalcopying 4y ago
      making the internet a more diverse and inclusive place; by deleting content? ok
    • noarchy 4y ago
      >Gotta love the overzealous powermods of Reddit... If you think that about reddit mods, I can only imagine how you feel about HN.
• chucksmash 4y ago
  > The DUI checkpoints up in BC are wild too, I'm glad they are banned in Washington and Oregon. Suspicionless stopping of cars en masse followed by interrogation by police seems like an overreach. I was just wondering about these (in the US) the other day. When I was growing up, I seem to remember them being a thing and going through them as a passenger but in 20+ years of driving, including on NYE/July 4 and late at night, I've never come across one. Are there still states doing these?
  • Operyl 4y ago
    Saw one in South Florida on multiple nights during Super Bowl weekend.
  • Aaronstotle 4y ago
    I see them every year on NYE when I'm in LA and even some random weekends in Oakland
  • beached_whale 4y ago
    The US has CBP checks on roads, doesn’t it?
    • cbron 4y ago
      Yes, but very limited. They are only allowed to ask "are you a US citizen", and walk a dog around the car. I've never had one take more than 60 seconds in either AZ or CA.
      • NikolaNovak 4y ago
        I'm a tall middle aged middle class white man and I had no issue with any police check in my life either. I think there are demographics that have different experiences than mine, especially when there's a dog involved (who can provide any excuse necessary:)
      • brailsafe 4y ago
        I don't believe police at checkpoints in Canada are walking dogs around the car or asking whether we're citizens or not, it's just a matter of whether or not someone's had drinks, I'm fine with it
• Scoundreller 4y ago
  > Suspicionless stopping of cars en masse followed by interrogation by police seems like an overreach. I’m pretty sure Canadian DUI checkpoints are limited to interrogations about alcohol/drug intoxication (edit: and a few matters regarding the vehicle itself) unless something else is offered/observed. Supreme Court basically agreed that they are warrantless and detainments without reasonable suspicion, but considered them acceptable for the purposes of preventing drunk driving so that’s all the carve out it for. See R vs Mellenthin here: https://torontodui.com/knowledge-centre/everything-you-need-know-about-dui-checkpoints-ontario/ https://torontodui.com/knowledge-centre/everything-you-need-... (Worth noting that Canada’s constitution is basically toilet paper for a lot of things because a judge (or politician!) can override a lot of it)
  • idiotsecant 4y ago
    > limited to interrogations about alcohol/drug intoxication (edit: and a few matters regarding the vehicle itself) unless something else is offered/observed. Which in effect means that they are unlimited. They make wide use of drug detecting dogs. If a drug dog indicates you might have contraband, that allows further intervention. It is widely known that drug dogs can , worst case, be trained to hit when a hit is not present. Best case they have a bond with their handlers that tells them that the handler wants there to be a hit, whether the handler consciously conveys that or not. This increases the odds that there will be a hit. Drug dogs are basically a override-the-law get you into jail free card, and any system that allows them as evidence of probable cause basically does not require probable cause.
    • epgui 4y ago
      No, in effect this is not an unlimited power. Just ask any Canadian criminal law lawyer what they do all day. I don’t know about K9 units, but I’ve never seen one anywhere in Canada, except maybe at an airport once.
      • Teever 4y ago
        They brought a bunch of police dogs into my Canadian high school for a 'random' search. I saw the principal come into the class I was in and point out a specific kid that she wanted searched. The distrust of authority that I learned from that experience is without a doubt the greatest lesson I ever got in high school.
• apercu 4y ago
  > The DUI checkpoints up in BC are wild too Not just BC. ON, too.
  • Scoundreller 4y ago
    Canada wide since DUIs are criminal code (ie: federal) offences.
• cgh 4y ago
  > The ICBC has a literal state sponsored monopoly over car insurance No, this is only true for the most basic plans (called Autoplan). For anything beyond this, eg third-party liability, collision, comprehensive, etc., you can buy private insurance or go with ICBC for those plans too if you want.
  • Jensson 4y ago
    But that basic insurance is extremely overpriced compared to similar insurances in other countries, and it is mandatory so you have to pay it.
    • InitialLastName 4y ago
      If it's overpriced (relative to payouts) and the funds get returned to the population at large (through public services and mitigation of indirect damage caused by drivers) then that sounds like a very effective way to get drivers to pay for their externalized costs (in a way that other countries' privatized, profit-limited insurance schemes doesn't afford).
      • megablast 4y ago
        > then that sounds like a very effective way to get drivers to pay for their externalized costs It is a start. But there is one guarantee, driver hate paying for what they use.
      • cscurmudgeon 4y ago
        But, does it? > mitigation of indirect damage caused by drivers But, private insurance covers that. > through public services Examples?
        • cscurmudgeon 4y ago
          Edit: Of course, this is downvoted. Can't question the god that is the govt.
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• tchvil 4y ago
  What was the reddit post about? It is now: Hey u/misanthrope2327, thanks for contributing to r/nottheonion. Unfortunately, your post was removed as it violates our rules: Rule 2 - Sorry, but this story isn't oniony.
• red-iron-pine 4y ago
  > The DUI checkpoints up in BC are wild too, I'm glad they are banned in Washington and Oregon. Suspicionless stopping of cars en masse followed by interrogation by police seems like an overreach. There has been a lot of pushback to DUIs. I did a poli-sci BA thesis on it. Essentially its one of the few times they make exception to constitutional rights, and assume guilt without due process. A fairly deep explanation of what I'm talking about, and why states like WA gave up on it: https://www.duicentral.com/dui/the-dui-exception/ https://www.duicentral.com/dui/the-dui-exception/
• creaturemachine 4y ago
  How are they wild? It's about a 5-second chat with an officer and off you go. They used to hand out coupon books.
  • ulrashida 4y ago
    Also curious about this, "wild" is not a word I would have used for the checkpoints they set up. They've been doing it for nearly 40 years and yet our civil liberties are still intact. As an observer of the process, they definitely have an impact. You can see people spot the checkpoint and then peel off to the nearest onramp / off-street where they then get picked up by the special checkpoint designed to ask some questions of people willing to cross medians to avoid a standard checkpoint.
• 908B64B197 4y ago
  > Legal structures and especially state or state sponsored entities in Canada work much differently than in the US. The ICBC has a literal state sponsored monopoly over car insurance, titling a vehicle and driver licensing, whereas in the US no state handles car insurance, while titling a vehicle and driver licensing are not necessarily the same state organizations. This state sponsored vertical integration enables abuse of authority It's impressive to see how omnipresent the government is everyday life in Canada, often via these state sponsored entities with bizarre ties to the government. Alcohol sales are handled by government-owned stores (because it takes the government's unique expertise to run a liquor store?). Dairy products are subject to production quotas administered by the government, and excess production has to be destroyed (it is illegal to compete and lower your prices!). Car insurance is done through the state run monopoly so you can't shop around for rates. Health is handled by a single player, so you have no say in which providers you are assigned to (if you get one at all, they can deny coverage with year long wait times but you are still on the hook for the tax bill!). The country's largest broadcaster is state owned and operated, with journalists on government payroll reporting on... the government! Say the right thing and you might even land yourself a cushy government job [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micha%C3%ABlle_Jean https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micha%C3%ABlle_Jean
  • mthoms 4y ago
    Your comment is full of exaggerations and factual errors. For liquor, every province is different. Some have government owned liquor shops while others have independent stores. Some have a combination. Government run car insurance only exists in two or three provinces. It’s the exception, not the rule. The CBC is not “on government payroll”. It’s run independently but government funded. If you’ve got significant evidence of political parties interfering in the CBC’s reporting I’d love to hear it. I’m not sure why you singled out Canadas first black, female, Governor General as being a problem. The GG’s role is a ceremonial, public facing, non-political role that perfectly suits someone well known who’s adept at public speaking. She’s not even the first former journalist to get the posting. Others were famous astronauts, military heroes or business leaders. While there’s some truth in what you say (health care is in a real pickle, the dairy board is just bizarre) the rest is textbook right-wing propaganda.