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Atlassian to shed 5 per cent of workers
- 6451937099 4y ago[dead]
- noloblo 4y agobitbucket is a solid product on its own but it's no where comparable to the social network and sheer volume of github and usability of github copilot.
- RhodesianHunter 4y agoBitbucket is only the third or fourth most used Atlassian product.
- tiredrunner 4y agoTrue, its ui and ux are way ahead of other vcs, however, it lacks deeper dev ops integrations which are the key selling points for github and gitlab.
- systematical 4y agoway ahead of what? not github/lab
- sverhagen 4y agoYeah... I can't believe some of the people commenting here. When there's an article about China, and there's comments in defense of the CCP, we suspect trolls. But my experiences with every single Atlassian product are so bad that I can't help myself thinking that there's some sort of troll army at work here from the Atlassian Marketing department. Or my experiences with Atlassian have just been non-representatively bad. Or those people work in jobs where the standards are just disappointingly low. Having read through all the comments, I just don't know anymore.
- jemmyw 4y agoMaybe that's why they hired so many people. An army of "devs" to market their products.
- halfjoking 4y agoCan’t speak for their other products but Bitbucket had free private repos first. Now that I have a bunch of personal projects there, there’s no reason to switch. In 10 years the service was only down a couple of times. And I like the Web UI - I don’t think GitHub’s Web UI is any better. So my experience using Bitbucket hasn’t been like living under the CCP. Maybe if I tried Jira I’d think differently?
- hiyer 4y agoGithub actions is also supposedly way more versatile and user-friendly than Bitbucket pipelines.
- systematical 4y agonot supposedly, it is.
- Nextgrid 4y agoWhat makes it solid compared to Git(Hub|Lab)? Personally I hate it due to its slowness (is its underlying storage floppy disks?) and general half-assedness typical of any modern Atlassian product (latest example: click on a pipeline from a PR then press the back button - takes you to the pipelines list view instead of back to your PR).
- coin 4y ago> solid product on its own Yet it hijacks command-F to replace it with a crappy search experience
- funnymony 4y agoThere should special circle of hell for person coming up with these kind of features.
- berkanunal 4y agoIt's so solid, you don't even get syntax highlighting in pr reviews. Solid single color like I'm reading a legal document. You want to write suggestions in your pr review? You can only select a single line and you will have to write a regular code block not a suggestion block. Your comments and discussions over that line? Gone, after a force push bitbucket acts like it saw the blinding light from men in black.
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- thexumaker 4y agoThey’ve been a bit over bloated for a while and honestly too many better alternatives out there
- sensitivefrost 4y agoThey have doubled in size since 2020, but before that they were appropriately sized.
- jamesfinlayson 4y agoLast month I read an article saying they were still hiring big in R&D. I don't know what their financials are like but it still seemed odd for them to bucking the trend.
- PheonixPharts 4y agoI find it funny that every layoff announcement has a similar comment at the top, as though this were an isolated incident, rather than a fundamental shake up in the industry. This isn't even the only layoff article on the front page of HN right now. I think it's fair to say that virtually every company right now has been "a bit over bloated for awhile". Even as someone that foresaw pretty much what we're seeing now roughly a year ago, I still find it shocking to watch the slow unraveling of our industry. My company hasn't had layoffs yet, but it's painfully obvious to everyone that they're coming (but just not obvious enough to create maximum anxiety from the uncertainty). Because of this I've put my feelers out to see what other options are out there and... it's bad.
- twblalock 4y agoMost companies overhired and would have been punished if they didn't. Now they will be punished if they don't shrink. Public companies have to follow the market or their shareholders will slap them down. The real villain is the Federal Reserve, because their policies created a bubble. We should also keep in mind that quite a lot of the people who are being laid off never would have had jobs if it wasn't for the massive hiring spree in the past few years. The industry is not unraveling. It's just reeling from an economic bubble. Despite the layoffs few companies are shrinking back down to the size they were in 2020.
- twblalock 4y agoThey should lay off 100% and go out of business. An entire generation of devs has suffered with Atlassian's broken, unscalable tooling. In my entire career I've never met someone who actually likes their products.
- bzhang255 4y ago> They should lay off 100% and go out of business. Suggesting that 9000 people lose their jobs feels like a needlessly hateful way to express a dissatisfaction with a company's products.
- midoridensha 4y agoMaybe they should work someplace better. It's like people saying the American automakers should have been bailed out just to save all the jobs: if those companies had been left to die, other automakers would have taken over their marketshare and expanded operations, hiring the unemployed workers and probably buying up a lot of factories, support companies, etc. Keeping a shitty company alive with bad management in place just for the workers isn't good for the market in general. Disclaimer: I'm just arguing the general principle here. I don't have any strong opinions on Atlassian.
- coding123 4y agoThe better way than to waste everyone's time with comments like this is to start a company that competes. I bet you don't get very far. If you do, good for you, maybe you'll have a company in 20 years that people on hacker news says "Keeping a shitty company alive with bad management in place just for the workers isn't good for the market in general." while you roll in your gold sheets at night.
- sillybov3456 4y agoThe other point of view is that the industry would have been entirely off shored. I think this is particularly a concern in tech, where US workers are notably spoiled even in comparison to the rest of the US. That wasn't the case with the auto workers to the same extent and so people were more sympathetic. I'd imagine everybody in tech gets told to fuck off pretty rudely if it ever gets to the point of bailouts, so the good news is that your concern is unfounded.
- 6th 4y agoThis reminded me about the whole tree part being removed from sourceTREE https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/SRCTREEWIN-7176 https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/SRCTREEWIN-7176 I don't know how they have customers honestly.
- yakshaving_jgt 4y agoPlot twist: the layoffs are managed in Jira and the Jira admins spend so much time fiddling with Jira settings that they never get around to actually firing anyone.
- steve1977 4y agoThey documented the layoffs in Confluence and cannot find them anymore.
- graypegg 4y ago“Boss, I clicked the notification that you changed the layoff list, but now that the notification is gone I have no way of finding it, can you add a space to the bottom so I get another notification?”
- oars 4y agoCompany announcement: https://www.atlassian.com/blog/announcements/atlassian-team-update-march-2023 https://www.atlassian.com/blog/announcements/atlassian-team-... SEC filing: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1650372/000165037223000016/ex9918-k03_06x2023.htm https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1650372/000165037223...
- Jedd 4y agoSix months ago they announced plans to grow their headcount in India by 1500 before end-2024. Their worldwide headcount growth since 2019 [0] does feel, in retrospect at least, untenable - year on year - 3600, 4900, 6400, 8800. Arguably this fits into the same 'correction' category as other big players in recent months. Reading the potted history [1] of acquisitions / sell-offs is a trip down memory lane. It feels like even their big-name acquisitions are still not terribly well integrated -- and combined with their famous lack of a 'traditional sales team', it does invite some obvious, if churlish questions. [0] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1276817/atlassian-number-employees/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1276817/atlassian-number... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlassian#Acquisitions_and_product_announcements https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlassian#Acquisitions_and_pro...
- 908B64B197 4y ago> Six months ago they announced plans to grow their headcount in India by 1500 before end-2024. I know a lot of people moving away from Atlassian because of performance issue. Not sure how this will reverse the trend.
- arlcode 4y agoFor us at least their "forced" switch to Jira cloud was a massive increase in cost (which was the intention I guess). Their developer offering at bitbucket is also more expensive and lacks critical features which are supported by the competition. The market is bound to react somehow. On the other hand vendor lock in is a powerful tool for atlassian.
- subpixel 4y agoI’m playing with GitHub projects and while it’s actually showing crazy potential it has the problem of being an intrinsically developer-focused solution to a business problem. Project management software isn’t about getting things done quite as much as it is about showing things getting done to the people who control the resources. Jira is how you get managers to add headcount. That’s the reason managers adopt it. That and the fact that they don’t need to create an ssh key to use it. Gitlab also has PjM aspirations but their enterprise, Gitlab-all-the-things model means it’s gonna be a non-starter for most teams.
- paulryanrogers 4y agoClassic or V2? Because the latter feels half baked to me.
- subpixel 4y agoV2 is what I think shows a lot of promise but it is not ready to come out of the oven yet.
- smcleod 4y agoIf only the world could shed 95% of Atlassian products
- giancarlostoro 4y agoWhich one would you keep?
- smcleod 4y agoYeah good point.
- avtolik 4y agoTrello is fine, I think Atlassian acquired it some time ago.
- orthoxerox 4y agoBitbucket Server. It sucks, but sucks less than its competitors.
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- pjmlp 4y agoBased on what I have seen in the last 30 years, the competition is even worse. If I would be a CTO, their products would be on the list.
- metaphor 4y agoProbably not a good image that Scott[1] and Mike[2] (via their respective trusts) have been quite busy liquidating 1,076,750 shares each into the public at a rate of 8,614 shares per trading day since the beginning of October last year...all the while laying off 5% of their workforce. Something about leaders eating last comes to mind... [1] https://www.sec.gov/edgar/browse/?CIK=0001666121 https://www.sec.gov/edgar/browse/?CIK=0001666121 [2] https://www.sec.gov/edgar/browse/?CIK=0001666120 https://www.sec.gov/edgar/browse/?CIK=0001666120
- cjrp 4y agoAbout $1.5m/trading day, at current prices.
- yunohn 4y agoHow is this legal? Why are there always different rules for the managerial/ruling class…
- newaccount2021 4y agowhy would it be illegal?
- throwayyy479087 4y agoThis is the opposite of what you think - look into 10b-5.
- xhkkffbf 4y agoThe different rules for the leaders are actually stricter. The average worker gets secrecy and they can sell all at once. The leadership needs to set up a public plan and commit to it.
- mailinator-195 4y agothis is actually due to Rule 10b5-1 where execs can have a pre-planned schedule to have transactions get executed. this way they're not doing any insider trading since it's predefined months in advance. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/rule-10b5-1.asp https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/rule-10b5-1.asp
- BeFlatXIII 4y agoYet another company mindlessly follows industry trends. Yawn.
- jefc1111 4y agoOh no, probably even less chance now that this 22 year old ticket will be attended to. https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/JRASERVER-1001 https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/JRASERVER-1001 sadface
- thr717272 4y agoOr even just an option to turn of the default "spam everyone who ever touched this page whenever anyone touches it".
- jefc1111 4y agoYeah. I think it can be done. But you've got to jump through hoops sometimes for sure. This kind of crap https://community.atlassian.com/t5/Jira-questions/Need-help-turning-off-email-unwatching-projects/qaq-p/1292223 https://community.atlassian.com/t5/Jira-questions/Need-help-... "Ideally, you've used the same notification scheme for all projects and can just go in and find the notification to take yourself out of. If not, you'll have to check every notification scheme." shivers with fear
- eecc 4y agoMy pet let-down is https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/JRASERVER-1330 https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/JRASERVER-1330 this feature alone would make Jira orders of magnitude more versatile. So much that you could build a totally new product around it :P
- noisy_boy 4y agoBased on the shitting on Jira going on in this thread, seems like Atlassian have an opportunity to introduce a (optional) simplified-UI that focuses on solving the most common workflow. Something like IntelliJ's "new" UI that reduces the clutter in the main screen (all the original knobs are still available in the Settings dialog).
- graypegg 4y agoThey do already own trello! I remember rumours from when that buy-out happened that they’d turn trello into a new “view” for Jira projects as like a simplified version of the current Kanban board. Don’t think that ever happened.
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- ccwilson10 4y agoThey have this via Jira Work Management
- wlonkly 4y agoI have bad news for you -- this is Jira's "Team Projects" and it's the worst of both worlds. "What if Trello, but in Jira?"
- freefaler 4y agoI see all the people here talking about JIRA or/and Bitbucket server. However Confulence is not mentioned that much. I think the hardest product to replace is Confluence, especially on-prem, when you need your data inside your firewall. There are many bad things in Confluence: 1. search is completely broken since several versions 2. the editor is not very good 3. it's just too slow Hoever, there is 1 very good feature, but badly implemented. The ability to add complex objects, like JIRA ticket lists, Children pages, HTML embeds and other dynamic stuff. This helps a lot with building good dynamic pages fast. All the other tools are only I've been searching high and low for a replacement and still haven't found one. Also Atlassian got so greedy that they've removed on-prem cheap plans. I really hope someone builds a better Confluence with dynamic objects inside. And if someone already did that on-premise I'll be really grateful for a hint.
- cypherg 4y agomate, on-prem is dead. it's not just atlassian, it's most software that can be run as saas. when people run on-prem they get hacked, for failing to patch or doing something equally ignorant, which ironically makes atlassian look bad. plus they would have to maintain 2 versions of the software, the saas version and the on-prem. just not worth it. better in invest in making their cloud better (get FedRAMP, etc)
- sschueller 4y agoOn prem is definitely not dead. I know a few angry Atlassian customers that are now forced to shelling out 50k a year so they can continue to use jira on prem because it is still cheaper than migrating to an alternative. Not every one can dump their data into some cloud that is located somewhere in the void.
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- devhead 4y agoSome of their problems are tied to their severe tech debt, weak leadership, poor vision of the future, lack of understading of the present, all the while relying on 3rd parties to profit instead of them actually making a better product and providing (with 8k headcount) changes with any sort of velocity. oh and they killed off their main competitor in Trello; but sweet now my user is deleted an i have to use atlassian user now. :: sighs :: all this and we still have to pay premium to use it? hope they give these employees a good exit, it's the leaderships own fault.
- dcchambers 4y agoSometimes I feel like the only person in the world that actually likes confluence. Far from perfect, but better than a lot of the competition. Then again, my first job out of college they tried to make us shed Confluence for...SharePoint...for our internal docs/knowledge. I still shudder when I think about that. Especially compared to the whale that is Jira. From a dev perspective I think Trello was pretty much perfect for managing projects, but I think PMs and managers really like the...features...in Jira.
- pjmlp 4y agoYou're not alone, I seldom found anything better than Atlassian products on the enterprise space. They thrive, because the alternatives are even worse. It is like trying to replace Office with half of the features, it works when one doesn't need more than a typewriter or a plain old table.
- ulfw 4y agoI have just received an email: "Thank you for your interest in Atlassian. After recently reviewing the role you applied for against business requirements, we have decided not to progress with hiring for the position at this time. " I applied 9-10 months ago. They haven't bothered to auto-respond until now.