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>When Latinx began to be used in advanced milieus, a poll found that a large majority of Latinos and Hispanics continued to go by the familiar terms and hadn’t

>When Latinx began to be used in advanced milieus, a poll found that a large majority of Latinos and Hispanics continued to go by the familiar terms and hadn’t heard of the newly coined, nearly unpronounceable one. There's also a practical case: these terms make you sound like a damn space alien. Unless your audience already agrees completely with you, you lose credibility by using this language. Posturing for your own team has become more important than relating your views to others and pursuading them to join your side.

next_xibalba 4y ago
Here is the poll, which has been repeated for a few years: https://thinknow.com/newsite/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/thinknow-identity-report-2022.pdf https://thinknow.com/newsite/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/thin... It is not that large, but the tiny number of respondents who identify as Latinx has been stable. It's crazy that this label is still being pushed.
- OrvalWintermute 4y ago
  > It's crazy that this label is still being pushed. This is a great example of how intellectually bankrupt some of the social mis-movements towards redefinition truly are. First they come up with a term that is clearly not a term used by the native speakers of that group. Then they utilize that term in order to collectively identify them. Then they push it across media, education, and many other avenues to make it "a thing". This term which originates in English, and doesn't truly relate to Latin* derived cultures but instead to a smaller subset of cultures from a specific geography, and is difficult to speak for a native speaker, and violates the grammar, is then hoisted upon them like a label to which they'd actually subscribe. As many of these cultures self-identify as uniquely distinct from one another, and are competitive, this type of collectivist label is all the more rude. What Chutzpah!
  - docandrew 4y ago
    My guess is an English speaker was forced to take French or Spanish in college and struggled to remember the gender for a word like “bicycle” and decided the whole notion of gendered language was silly and should be abolished.
    - jimbokun 4y ago
      I am much more sympathetic to that argument than the people pretending it’s to avoid offense.
      - herewulf 4y ago
        Shouldn't intentionally butchering someone else's non-English language be considered offensive?
orangecat 4y ago
There's also a practical case: these terms make you sound like a damn space alien. That's part of the point: it's a costly signal that demonstrates that you're a true ally. See also: gang tattoos.
DonsDiscountGas 4y ago
People argue about how much of this comes from the internet/twitter; in the case of latinx it's clearly an internet phenomenon. The word is entirely unpronounceable, it could only have developed in writing.
- Name_Chawps 4y ago
  It's pronounced "latin ex"

next_xibalba 4y ago

Here is the poll, which has been repeated for a few years: https://thinknow.com/newsite/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/thinknow-identity-report-2022.pdf https://thinknow.com/newsite/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/thin... It is not that large, but the tiny number of respondents who identify as Latinx has been stable. It's crazy that this label is still being pushed.

OrvalWintermute 4y ago
> It's crazy that this label is still being pushed. This is a great example of how intellectually bankrupt some of the social mis-movements towards redefinition truly are. First they come up with a term that is clearly not a term used by the native speakers of that group. Then they utilize that term in order to collectively identify them. Then they push it across media, education, and many other avenues to make it "a thing". This term which originates in English, and doesn't truly relate to Latin* derived cultures but instead to a smaller subset of cultures from a specific geography, and is difficult to speak for a native speaker, and violates the grammar, is then hoisted upon them like a label to which they'd actually subscribe. As many of these cultures self-identify as uniquely distinct from one another, and are competitive, this type of collectivist label is all the more rude. What Chutzpah!
- docandrew 4y ago
  My guess is an English speaker was forced to take French or Spanish in college and struggled to remember the gender for a word like “bicycle” and decided the whole notion of gendered language was silly and should be abolished.
  - jimbokun 4y ago
    I am much more sympathetic to that argument than the people pretending it’s to avoid offense.
    - herewulf 4y ago
      Shouldn't intentionally butchering someone else's non-English language be considered offensive?

orangecat 4y ago

There's also a practical case: these terms make you sound like a damn space alien. That's part of the point: it's a costly signal that demonstrates that you're a true ally. See also: gang tattoos.

DonsDiscountGas 4y ago

People argue about how much of this comes from the internet/twitter; in the case of latinx it's clearly an internet phenomenon. The word is entirely unpronounceable, it could only have developed in writing.

Name_Chawps 4y ago
It's pronounced "latin ex"