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I thought it was Midjourney who stole their thunder. Stable Diffusion is free but it's much harder to get good results with it. Midjourney on the other hand spi
by krelian 4y ago
I thought it was Midjourney who stole their thunder. Stable Diffusion is free but it's much harder to get good results with it. Midjourney on the other hand spits out art with a very satisfying style.
- drusepth 4y agoI think that's kind of a bigger issue with Dall-E: they just sat in the middle of the two consumer extremes, without a differentiating feature themselves. Midjourney ate away at them from the quality highground while Stable Diffusion bit their ankles from the cost lowground.
- anonylizard 4y agoYou are like 2 months out of date. Stable diffusion now has a massive ecosystem around it (civitai/automatic1111), that when used well, completely crushes any competitors in terms of the images it produces. Midjourney is still competitive, but mostly because its easier to use. Dalle2 will get you laughed out of the room in any ai art discussion.
- Cantinflas 4y agoIt's amazing that "being two months out of date" in AI means that you are already a dinosaur
- ChickenNugger 4y agoFor real! This stuff is moving fast. It feels like just last week I was posting about how it's going to change...art. And now there are hilarious deepfake memes of past and current presidents shit talking about video games. There are a handful of ML art subs that have pretty amazing stuff daily. Especially the NSFW ones, which if you've studied any history of media VHS/DVD/Blu-ray/the internet, porn is a major innovation driver because humans are thirsty creatures.
- goldfeld 4y agoWhat are some niche ML art subs to hang around in? Excepting the NSFW..
- ChickenNugger 4y agoI don't know about niche, but MachineLearning and StableDiffusion are the only SFW ones. FWIW, the NSFW ones are unstable_diffusion, sdforall, sdnsfw, aipornhub
- tomohelix 4y agoOh yes, that part worths a lot...
- JustBreath 4y agoYeah, it used to be I'd set Google results to just one year back, now I'm having to set it to one month.
- buddhistdude 4y agoCan you explain what you do that for?
- soulofmischief 4y agoAvoiding out of date advice, also filtering just for newest trends and techniques
- bigfudge 4y agoCan you recommend any interesting ones?
- LoganDark 4y ago> porn is a major innovation driver because humans are thirsty creatures. Hehe, yeah. I'm personally waiting for a model that is good at nonhuman stuff. Not just furries... but the focus seems to be on human content for now.
- j45 4y agoOne week of change in 2023 is like a month's worth of progress in previous years. Edit: typo and clarity.
- nickthegreek 4y agoI scan the SD subreddit and am subscribed to 3 big ai art youtubes just to stay up to date. With things moving this fast, alot of info is out of date and can be very burdensome to comb through the good stuff later. I try and set aside 30mins twice a week to apply the new techniques to help cement them in my mind and see their strengths and weaknesses. ControlNET really changed the game and now OffsetNoise (check out the IlluminatiDiffusion model) is now really pushing SD passed midjourney for real artistic control of your output.
- kristofferR 4y agoWhat are the youtubers?
- nickthegreek 4y agohttps://youtube.com/@Aitrepreneur https://youtube.com/@Aitrepreneur https://youtube.com/@OlivioSarikas https://youtube.com/@OlivioSarikas https://youtube.com/@sebastiankamph https://youtube.com/@sebastiankamph
- evilduck 4y agoBesides HN, what other venues are popular for staying current on this topic?
- CuriouslyC 4y agoif you hang out in reddit.com/r/stablediffusion you'll always be up to date
- evilduck 4y agoThanks, what about broader news (GPT, Bing, Llama, etc)? The Stable Diffusion sub is only image AI oriented.
- ghshephard 4y agoTwitter. Folllow your top 10 or so ML/AI news summarizers. There is enough new information every day to keep you busy reading new papers, APIs, technologies. Honestly the "This happened in the last week" is more information than anybody can fully wrap their heads around, so you just have to surf the headlines and dig into the few things that interest you.
- addandsubtract 4y agoCan you recommend some accounts to follow?
- ghshephard 4y agoThe great thing about the AI world - is everything diffuses out quickly on the "For You" timeline - and then you can add people that you are interested in (which reinforces your interest in AI). Some bootstrapping accounts might be @rosstaylor90, @rasbt, @karpathy, @ID_AA_Carmack, @DrJimFan, @YiTayML, @JeffDean, @dustinvtran, @tunguz, @fchollet, @ylecun, @miramurati, @nonmayorpete, @pmarca, @sama. These are definitely not an authoritative list - just some of the AI names I follow - but, honestly - if any relevant news breaks - your timeline picks it up within minutes - so you just need a good random sample. Your interests will diverge and you'll pick up your own follows pretty quickly.
- flangola7 4y agoAgriculture reduced the global human economy/resource production doubling time from 100,000s of years to 1000s of years. Industrial revolution dropped it from 1000s to 10s or even 1s. If AI follows the same path it becomes 0.1 - 0.01 years. Your 401k wouldn't need 40 years to build a comfortable retirement, only 4 weeks.
- lotsofpulp 4y agoAssuming the supply of labor or automation sufficient to provide a “comfortable retirement” also takes 4 weeks to come online.
- theRealMe 4y agoI understand you’re joking, but surely it’s asymptotic to some multiple of human gestational periods.
- dotancohen 4y agoNot once the A in AI becomes a (or the) critical creative factor.
- flangola7 4y agoThis was not a joke. It's a serious concept that's been around for several years.
- eternalban 4y agoI just watched a video that convincingly showed that it is energy and energy alone that determines the production growth of humanity. Until the day AI can "generate" stuff (you know, something out of nothing) it can only at best streamline existing production, which is entirely capped by energy limits. We may drown in oceans of audio, video, novels, poems, films, porn, blue prints, chemical formulas, etc. dreamed up by AI, but to realize these designs, blueprints, formulas, drugs, etc. ("production") we need to actually resource the materials, and have the necessary energy to make it happen. It will not be AI that catapults humanity. It can definitely mutate human society (for +/-) but it will not (and can not) result in any utopian outcomes, alone. But something like cold fusion, if it actually becomes a practical matter, would result in productivity that would dwarf anything that came before (modulo material resource requirements).
- tracerbulletx 4y agoControlNet became popular with in the last couple of weeks and LoRA fine-tuning slightly before that and both things have completely changed the landscape too. Even a month out of date and you are a dinosaur at the moment.
- dwringer 4y agoThese things are advancing way faster than they're being taken advantage of fully. Even SD 1.4 with months-old technology can produce far higher quality images than most of what's seen from midjourney or the latest tools. Things like ControlNet are amazing, to be sure, but there's nothing "dinosauric" about the technology without it. We haven't begun to see the limits of what's possible yet with existing tools, though you're right about the rapid pace of innovation.
- gremlinsinc 4y agoThat's what the singularity is all about, a moment in time when 2 seconds late turns you into a dinosaur, be greatful it's 2 months, not 2 weeks, 2 days, or 2 minutes.
- birracerveza 4y agoMake it two weeks. I haven't paid attention for a second and stuff like Controlnet pops up and evolves into Multi-Controlnet and then into MultiDiffusion.
- PoignardAzur 4y ago> and evolves into Multi-Controlnet and then into MultiDiffusion What the? *googles multi-controlnet" Wow. These diffusion models are like weeping angels. You really can't take your eyes off of them for long.
- minimaxir 4y agoThe StableDiffusion subreddit is a good resource on the current state of Stable Diffusion, particularly post-ControlNet. https://www.reddit.com/r/stablediffusion https://www.reddit.com/r/stablediffusion
- Kurtz79 4y agoEasier to use is often all that it takes. In Midjourney you get fantastic results just by using their discord and a text prompt. To get some similar results in Stable Diffusion you need to set it up, download the models, understand how the various moving parts work together, fiddle with the parameters, donwload specific models out of the hundreds (thousands?) available, iterate, iterate, iterate...
- practice9 4y agoSure, but if Midjourney outputs a low quality results for your prompt, they are going to be much more difficult to improve. It's a black box at this point. While with SD there can be multiple solutions for a single problem, but yeah, you have to develop your own workflow (which will inevitably break with new updates)
- pksebben 4y ago... along with like half the interfaces to pytorch, and whatever hacks you had to implement to get mps working. But it's this kind of stuff that keeps me engaged. SD is truly a godsend to masochistic hacker types.
- skybrian 4y agoWhy do you say that? Couldn’t you just use dreamstudio.ai?
- CuriouslyC 4y agoSetting up the environment and tooling around in the code is not a burden, it's a nice change of pace from the boring code I have to deal with normally. Likewise, playing around to build intuition about how prompts and parameters correspond to neighborhoods in latent space is quite fun. Beyond that, being able to go to sleep with my computer doing a massive batch job state space exploration and wake up with a bunch of cool stuff to look at gives me Christmas vibes daily.
- 13years 4y agoThere is playgroundai.com and leonardo.ai. Nothing to download.
- ChildOfChaos 4y agoStable diffusion might have a reasonable eco system around it, but automatic1111 was always around and 'completely crushes any competitors' is rather rich, Midjourney is still considered the standard as far as I was aware. I used both again recently and the difference was very clear, midjourney is leaps and bounds above anything else. Sure, stable diffusion has more control over the output, but the images are usually average at best, were as Midjourney is pretty stunning almost always.
- GaggiX 4y agoWhat models/LoRA you use with SD?
- Auracle 4y agoIt doesn’t really matter. He’s right - Midjourney is leagues ahead as far as actually following your prompt and having it be aesthetically pleasing. I say this as someone who has made several Dreambooth and fine tuned models and has started to use Stable Diffusion in my work. Now, if you happen to find or make a SD model that’s exactly what you’re looking for you’re in luck. I have no interest in it but it seems like all of the anime models work pretty well. You obviously have a ton more control in SD, especially now with ControlNet. But if you want to see the Ninja Turtles surfing on Titan in the style of Rembrandt or something Midjourney will probably kick out something pretty good. Stable Diffusion won’t.
- samspenc 4y agoI thought Midjourney was better as well, until I saw some recent videos from Corridor Crew on Youtube. For those who don't know, this is a VFX studio in LA that tries to keep at the cutting-edge of video production techniques and posts content to their Youtube channel, and they have a massive number of followers and several viral videos. They recently created a full 7-minute anime using Stable Diffusion with their own models and their existing video production gear, I'll post the links and let the results speak for themselves The actual 7-minute anime piece produced using SD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVT3WUa-48Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVT3WUa-48Y Behind the scenes: "Did we change anime forever?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9LX9HSQkWo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9LX9HSQkWo "VFX reveal before and after" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljBSmQdL_Ow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljBSmQdL_Ow
- OkGoDoIt 4y agoDo you have any recently updated examples, blog posts, whatever showing that DALLE is worse than modern stable diffusion? I was still under the impression that DALLE was better (with better meaning the images are more likely to be what you asked for, more lifelike, more realistic, not necessarily artistically pleasing), with the downside of it being locked away and somewhat expensive. And my understanding is that stable diffusion 2.0+ is actually a step backwards in terms of quality, especially for anything involving images of humans. But as this thread acknowledges, this area is moving very quickly and my knowledge might be out of date, so definitely happy to see some updated comparisons if you have any to suggest. It feels like ever since Chat GPT came out, they haven’t been many posts about stable diffusion an image generation, they got crowded out of the spotlight.
- GaggiX 4y agoPeople usually still use SD v1.5 because of the experience that people have with finetuning and merging with it. Also a lot of LoRA are trained for v1.4/1.5 models and they wouldn't work with v2.1, of course you also have incredible capability to control the generation with SD and this helps, to see some result: https://youtu.be/AlSCx-4d51U https://youtu.be/AlSCx-4d51U
- CuriouslyC 4y agoDall-E is more likely to generate an image that to some degree contains what you asked for. It also tends to produce less attractive images and is closed so you can't really tune it much. People mostly don't try to do completely whole cloth text to image generation with stable diffusion, for anything involved they mostly do image to image with a sketch or photobashed source. With controlnet and a decently photobashed base image you can get pretty much anything you want, in pretty much any style you want, and it's fast.
- aiappreciator 4y agoIf you want an example, go check out DALLE2 subreddit vs SD subreddit. The former is a wasteland, the latter is more popular than r/art (despite having 1% of subscribers, it has more active users at any given moment) If you want something ready to use for a newbee, midjourney v4 crushes DALLE2 on both prompt comprehension and the images look far more beautiful. If you are already into art, then StableDiffusion has a massive ecosystem of alternate stylized models (many which look incredible) and LORA plugins for any concept the base model doesn't understand. DALLE2 is just a prototype that was abandoned by OpenAI, their main business is GPTs, DALLE was just a side hustle.
- coldtea 4y ago>You are like 2 months out of date. Dalle2 will get you laughed out of the room in any ai art discussion. So, the field is so immature than things change completely every few months?
- GaggiX 4y agoDidn't you realize how bleeding edge this technology is?
- napier 4y agoThis time last year the field was a few hundred people with their colab notebooks.
- pksebben 4y agothat's the crazy bit - this field is at like, toddler levels of maturity, and it's already producing mind-blowing results.
- rom-antics 4y agoI love that there are so many options that people disagree about which is best. THAT is probably the worst thing that can happen to OpenAI - not just one competitor, but a whole heap of them.
- refulgentis 4y agoThis isn’t as true as it sounds, ex. stable diffusion can do better but requires in depth practice and experience. For your average user, DallE is easy, MJ is fairly disorienting, and SD requires a technical background. I agree with you completely no one serious is doing art with DallE. I would have said same as you until I tried integrating SD vs. DallE APIs, I desparately want SD because it’s easily 1/10th the cost, but it misses the point much more often. Probably gonna ship it anyway :X
- RichardGao112 4y agoCheck out Evoke SD API: https://evoke-app.com/ https://evoke-app.com/ You don't need a technical background at all really. We've also got something cooking that does prompt tuning in the background so there's less prompting needed from the user. We also have a discord: https://discord.gg/dXJtarPsCm https://discord.gg/dXJtarPsCm
- xnx 4y agoIs there a good news site/blog for keeping up to date on AI tools and development? I'm looking for something a little more edited than a Reddit board.
- cypress66 4y agoDon't forget controlnet, which is a game changer.
- Baeocystin 4y agoI still think that Midjourney is hamstringing themselves by being Discord-only. And their keyword nannying is pretty bad. It a testament too their overall quality that they're still as popular as they are are, but I really don't think they are doing themselves any favors, especially as the Stable Diffusion ecosystem continues to grow.
- astrange 4y agoOnly having a Discord interface is a cheap way of having someone else take care of abuse/CSAM issues for you.
- jeron 4y ago>Dalle2 will get you laughed out of the room in any ai art discussion. and claiming AI art is art would get you laughed out of any art discussion. personally I think AI art is really cool, but to discount what Dalle 2 did for AI art is unfair.
- soulofmischief 4y agoMy company has a team of AI-enpowered artists who would overwhelmingly disagree with you on the premise that AI art is not art. Maybe you're the only one doing the laughing.
- astrange 4y agoA lot of online "artists" are mad about it. Generally not professionals who actually need productivity, but semipros who live off one-off commissions or else people who are just generally mad at tech bros.
- TeMPOraL 4y agoI must be horribly out of date then - I thought Midjourney was the cut down DALL-E approximation, created to givr something to play with to people who couldn't get on the various waiting lists, or can't afford to run SD on their own.
- throwaway675309 4y agoRidiculous. Stable diffusion might have a massive ecosystem around it but mid journey is making money hand over fist. Most people don't even necessarily have a discreet GPU necessary to be able to run SD, and the vast majority of artists that I know are using midjourney and then doing touchups afterwards. Even with all the different models that you can load in stable diffusion MJ is 1000 times better at natural language parsing and understanding, and requires significantly less prompt crafting to be able to get aesthetically pleasing results. Having used automatic1111 heavily with an RTX 2070, the only area I'll concede SD can do a better job is in closeup Headshots and character generation. MJ blows SD out of the water where complex prompts involving nuanced actions are concerned. Once midjourney adds controlnet and inpainting to their website that's pretty much game over.
- DoesntMatter22 4y agoHow is MJ making any money? Do they charge? When I went on their discord it was free.
- Garlef 4y agoyou get 200 images for free. afterwards its $10, $30, $60 per month
- jgalt212 4y agoYeah, but what does one do with an infinite supply of ok-ish images?
- Garlef 4y agodepending on what you want, you can actually get images that are pretty nice. i'm using it to generate abstract art and i've seen worse in the real world here are two examples on my insta account: https://www.instagram.com/p/Co9O0P6Aga_/ https://www.instagram.com/p/Co9O0P6Aga_/ https://www.instagram.com/p/CoXOnBuMMpL/ https://www.instagram.com/p/CoXOnBuMMpL/
- mlboss 4y agoStable diffusion + ControlNet is fire! Nothing compares to it. ControlNet allows you to have tight control over the output. https://github.com/lllyasviel/ControlNet https://github.com/lllyasviel/ControlNet
- skocznymroczny 4y agoCheck out OpenJourney. It's Stable Diffusion trained on Midjourney style images. I had great results with it.
- karmasimida 4y agoSD has won their plugin system crashed the game