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I don’t necessarily disagree with your larger point, but your example isn’t very persuasive. Travelling with an unrestrained dog in a car is pretty reckless (an

I don’t necessarily disagree with your larger point, but your example isn’t very persuasive. Travelling with an unrestrained dog in a car is pretty reckless (and maybe illegal). Between the driver distraction, and the fact that they become a deadly projectile in a crash (and of course the fact that even a fairly minor crash could kill the dog), It’s a really good idea to have some kind of car restraint for pets in the car. Buckle him in for real!

mokisable 4y ago
I just want to say I disagree and think this is brainwashed thinking. You could crash into a pole... make sure all poles have car guards! It's a really good idea to have some sort of guard rail around every single thing that could be hit by a car. Why don't the trash cans have car-guard rails? Just in case someone is gonna crash in them. Make sure you take all cell phones from anyone entering a vehicle. Wouldn't want the phone to start ringing unexepectantly and cause a car crash!!! Don't forget to follow all laws. Wouldn't want to be illegal. In Tennessee, it is illegal to share your Netflix password with others. Better report yourself to the authorities. How reckless!
icholy 4y ago
Have you ever been in a car with a dog?
- whateveracct 4y ago
  if you can't handle the fact that dogs are a pain in the ass, you weren't ready for a dog
  - cnity 4y ago
    This was me when we got our dog, but I'm used to it now. I'm now thankful for the lesson. They say you don't get the dog you want, but the dog you need: I needed the kick up the arse to get my shit together enough that I can take care of another being while still managing my own responsibilities.
bigyikes 4y ago
How do you put a seatbelt on a dog?
- quickthrowman 4y ago
  You kennel the dog and tie down the kennel to metal D rings that are attached to the vehicle. Now you know how to safely transport a dog! https://gunner.com/blogs/pack/why-should-i-tie-down-my-dog-crate-to-my-vehicle https://gunner.com/blogs/pack/why-should-i-tie-down-my-dog-c... There are also various harnesses that attach to seatbelts for non-kennel transportation. https://www.chewy.com/b/car-safety-11554 https://www.chewy.com/b/car-safety-11554
- barake 4y ago
  Dog harnesses that attach to seat belts are sold at most pet supply stores in the US. There are also short leash like tethers they connect to seat belts and hook to a typical walking harness.
- rperce 4y ago
  The dog wears a harness, and a strap clips into the buckle seat and onto the harness. When you get where you're going, you unclip the strap from the harness, clip on the leash, and off you go.
  - arsome 4y ago
    Weird, I've lived with dogs my whole life but have never heard of anyone doing that. Must be cultural.
metadat 4y ago
Apparently in Europe it's illegal to transport an unrestrained animal. In the United States it's the opposite: totally legal to throw fido in the car and let them roam free. Except in New Jersey. Go figure.
- throwanem 4y ago
  It should be illegal. I totaled two cars that way one wet night - mine, and that of the idiot college-freshman-to-be who made an illegal left into the intersection a couple hundred feet in front of me, because of the kitten wandering around the cabin. (The kitten came through just fine.)
  - mokisable 4y ago
    No it SHOULDn'T be illegal. You know whats wrong with the world? People naturally have freedoms in this world, and its only by giving them away subtractively that we are losing ourselves. Pretty soon you will vote to make it illegal to bite your nails because it might hurt you. I can hear you saying now "YEAH I AGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE PEOPLE GET HURT AND THIS WILL HELP THEM AGAINST THEIR WILL." Screw that attitude. I have a small dog and he is just fine and polite in the car. I can't put a seat belt on him but its abuse to have him in the apartment by himself so we go riding. And I don't tie him up. He isn't a danger. I could be in more DANGER from being careless and irresponsible with my driving and attention. Its the same thing with gun laws. Stupid people kill people. Not the guns. You are taking away "guns" and emboldening people who already don't follow the law. Your idea to make a LAW to make it illegal to have an unrestrained dog in the vehicle is ineffective and naive. It doesn't do a thing and only adds to a growing chaotic twisted system of laws that are growing top-heavily. I think its disgusting that people have opinions that subtly destroy our country. Keep your opinion to yourself. Stop trying to hurt others freedoms because you had someone do something stupid and you want to blame it on an external factor that was irrelevent. People can have innumerable distractions besides a phone or a pet... and you're going to blame that when it pops up and call for it to be illegal next. Disgusting behavior and pattern of thought.
- occamrazor 4y ago
  Last time I checked, a few years ago, the rules where: - A single pet unrestrained in the back seat, or in a harness in the passenger seat. - Two or more pets: in individual cages, physically separated from the driver.
lathiat 4y ago
Agree with this. It's a much better argument that your bag of groceries or backpack on the seat is setting of the occupancy sensor. Except that happens in my 2008 Mitsubishi - a far from modern car. I have heard maybe some modern cars have better occupancy sensors based on something better than weight but I'd expect a dog to set of most sensors designed to detect a human :) I also wonder if the radio is disabled primarily because a lot of modern cars seem to use the radio speakers as the chime - not sure if the F150 does this - but also even if the chime was separate I guess if the radio was too loud you wouldn't be able to hear it.
chucksmash 4y ago
> pretty reckless I'm sympathetic to wanting to protect pups, but to take something commonplace and label it "pretty reckless" is not the right way to convince people. I suspect a lot of ills in society can probably be traced to people filtering out the chorus of well-meaning "here's yet another thing you're doing wrong" they get every day, and thereby missing the important stuff. An example that has stuck with me, from 2019, about the environmental unsoundness of gardening: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20838072 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20838072
- BoorishBears 4y ago
  On one hand, I agree with you in the general sense On the other, I think at this point both sides of the specific "should dogs be restrained in cars" wars are pretty sizeable. Some people feel like it's the nanny state encroaching on their rights, others understand how a 20 mph crash could grievously injure our dogs, and that taking 30 seconds* to secure them can be a huge difference. * some people paint it as a huge hassle, but my 75 lb Greyhound is as nervous and training-resistant as dogs get and had no problem learning being still enough to slip into his harness before we get moving
  - lurquer 4y ago
    Your car should not be responsible for enforcing the law. That’s the point.
    - flangola7 4y ago
      It's enforcing the law it's preventing tangible harm from occurring. There are people that disliked seatbelts and their restrictions at first too.
      - oceanplexian 4y ago
        Taken to its ultimate conclusion we’ll end up living in pods like Wall-E. God forbid people experience danger or risk in any aspect of their lives.
cush 4y ago
What..? I have literally never seen a restrained dog in a car
- esskay 4y ago
  Guessing its not much of a 'thing' in the US but in the UK you have a harness that goes around the dog onto a stiff bungee type cord. It plugs into the seatbelt and allows them to move around on the seat but stops them being launched through the window if you have a crash. I'm not sure why anyone would be against protecting their pet like some of the other comments here though. Can't work out if its stupidity or ignorance.
moremetadata 4y ago
> Travelling with an unrestrained dog in a car is pretty reckless (and maybe illegal). There's pro's and con's for this. Firstly the dog could be in the front passenger seat in a harness and restrained which doesnt use the seatbelts, so the pressure sensor in the seat/base of the chair that detects weight, and a seat belt clip not inserted into the seat belt harness could trigger these cars's safety systems. Considering some cars can also let you switch off the passenger airbag and these are generally on by default with the manual override switch located in a variety of places, it might be simpler to have these options and questions built into these OLED displays which the driver has to run through, much like a pilot running through a series of checks before take off. > Travelling with an unrestrained dog in a car is pretty reckless (and maybe illegal). When dogs (and cats) are unrestrained, whilst illegal in many countries, in vehicle crashes, their faster reaction times which is faster than snakes hence why they were domesticated, mean they more often than not escape unharmed. As to being a projectile, again generally not if they are laying down inside the vehicle, but when they have their heads out of windows for Youtube views, the risk is increased. However if projectile risk is an issue, why dont people use cargo netting to strap down their mobile phones, laptops, briefcases, handbags inside a vehicle when on the daily commute? Yout cant film inside a car using Go Pro's on a race track unless the camera is attached to a surface like the inside of the windscreen with two suction pads. Yet ironically, if you are a proper VIP being chauffeured around, you'll often get told not to wear your seatbelt as these can restrain you in place in the event of an attack and the bodyguards like to get you out of the vehicle quickly... Although I see that as a mixed message considering only the bodyguard was wearing a seatbelt when Princess Diana and Dodi died in their car crash and according to someone friends with the bodyguard, MI6 told him to get them to take the route that night which was different to their normal route. Stranger Things!
cryptonector 4y ago
Good luck getting dog owners to restrain dogs in motor vehicles. That generally means putting them in a cage, and a) that is not something most dogs appreciate, b) for many dog owners that would mean upgrading to a larger vehicle. We can't make everything perfectly safe.

mokisable 4y ago

I just want to say I disagree and think this is brainwashed thinking. You could crash into a pole... make sure all poles have car guards! It's a really good idea to have some sort of guard rail around every single thing that could be hit by a car. Why don't the trash cans have car-guard rails? Just in case someone is gonna crash in them. Make sure you take all cell phones from anyone entering a vehicle. Wouldn't want the phone to start ringing unexepectantly and cause a car crash!!! Don't forget to follow all laws. Wouldn't want to be illegal. In Tennessee, it is illegal to share your Netflix password with others. Better report yourself to the authorities. How reckless!

icholy 4y ago

Have you ever been in a car with a dog?

whateveracct 4y ago
if you can't handle the fact that dogs are a pain in the ass, you weren't ready for a dog
- cnity 4y ago
  This was me when we got our dog, but I'm used to it now. I'm now thankful for the lesson. They say you don't get the dog you want, but the dog you need: I needed the kick up the arse to get my shit together enough that I can take care of another being while still managing my own responsibilities.

bigyikes 4y ago

How do you put a seatbelt on a dog?

quickthrowman 4y ago
You kennel the dog and tie down the kennel to metal D rings that are attached to the vehicle. Now you know how to safely transport a dog! https://gunner.com/blogs/pack/why-should-i-tie-down-my-dog-crate-to-my-vehicle https://gunner.com/blogs/pack/why-should-i-tie-down-my-dog-c... There are also various harnesses that attach to seatbelts for non-kennel transportation. https://www.chewy.com/b/car-safety-11554 https://www.chewy.com/b/car-safety-11554
barake 4y ago
Dog harnesses that attach to seat belts are sold at most pet supply stores in the US. There are also short leash like tethers they connect to seat belts and hook to a typical walking harness.
rperce 4y ago
The dog wears a harness, and a strap clips into the buckle seat and onto the harness. When you get where you're going, you unclip the strap from the harness, clip on the leash, and off you go.
- arsome 4y ago
  Weird, I've lived with dogs my whole life but have never heard of anyone doing that. Must be cultural.

metadat 4y ago

Apparently in Europe it's illegal to transport an unrestrained animal. In the United States it's the opposite: totally legal to throw fido in the car and let them roam free. Except in New Jersey. Go figure.

throwanem 4y ago
It should be illegal. I totaled two cars that way one wet night - mine, and that of the idiot college-freshman-to-be who made an illegal left into the intersection a couple hundred feet in front of me, because of the kitten wandering around the cabin. (The kitten came through just fine.)
- mokisable 4y ago
  No it SHOULDn'T be illegal. You know whats wrong with the world? People naturally have freedoms in this world, and its only by giving them away subtractively that we are losing ourselves. Pretty soon you will vote to make it illegal to bite your nails because it might hurt you. I can hear you saying now "YEAH I AGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE PEOPLE GET HURT AND THIS WILL HELP THEM AGAINST THEIR WILL." Screw that attitude. I have a small dog and he is just fine and polite in the car. I can't put a seat belt on him but its abuse to have him in the apartment by himself so we go riding. And I don't tie him up. He isn't a danger. I could be in more DANGER from being careless and irresponsible with my driving and attention. Its the same thing with gun laws. Stupid people kill people. Not the guns. You are taking away "guns" and emboldening people who already don't follow the law. Your idea to make a LAW to make it illegal to have an unrestrained dog in the vehicle is ineffective and naive. It doesn't do a thing and only adds to a growing chaotic twisted system of laws that are growing top-heavily. I think its disgusting that people have opinions that subtly destroy our country. Keep your opinion to yourself. Stop trying to hurt others freedoms because you had someone do something stupid and you want to blame it on an external factor that was irrelevent. People can have innumerable distractions besides a phone or a pet... and you're going to blame that when it pops up and call for it to be illegal next. Disgusting behavior and pattern of thought.
occamrazor 4y ago
Last time I checked, a few years ago, the rules where: - A single pet unrestrained in the back seat, or in a harness in the passenger seat. - Two or more pets: in individual cages, physically separated from the driver.

lathiat 4y ago

Agree with this. It's a much better argument that your bag of groceries or backpack on the seat is setting of the occupancy sensor. Except that happens in my 2008 Mitsubishi - a far from modern car. I have heard maybe some modern cars have better occupancy sensors based on something better than weight but I'd expect a dog to set of most sensors designed to detect a human :) I also wonder if the radio is disabled primarily because a lot of modern cars seem to use the radio speakers as the chime - not sure if the F150 does this - but also even if the chime was separate I guess if the radio was too loud you wouldn't be able to hear it.

chucksmash 4y ago

> pretty reckless I'm sympathetic to wanting to protect pups, but to take something commonplace and label it "pretty reckless" is not the right way to convince people. I suspect a lot of ills in society can probably be traced to people filtering out the chorus of well-meaning "here's yet another thing you're doing wrong" they get every day, and thereby missing the important stuff. An example that has stuck with me, from 2019, about the environmental unsoundness of gardening: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20838072 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20838072

BoorishBears 4y ago
On one hand, I agree with you in the general sense On the other, I think at this point both sides of the specific "should dogs be restrained in cars" wars are pretty sizeable. Some people feel like it's the nanny state encroaching on their rights, others understand how a 20 mph crash could grievously injure our dogs, and that taking 30 seconds* to secure them can be a huge difference. * some people paint it as a huge hassle, but my 75 lb Greyhound is as nervous and training-resistant as dogs get and had no problem learning being still enough to slip into his harness before we get moving
- lurquer 4y ago
  Your car should not be responsible for enforcing the law. That’s the point.
  - flangola7 4y ago
    It's enforcing the law it's preventing tangible harm from occurring. There are people that disliked seatbelts and their restrictions at first too.
    - oceanplexian 4y ago
      Taken to its ultimate conclusion we’ll end up living in pods like Wall-E. God forbid people experience danger or risk in any aspect of their lives.

cush 4y ago

What..? I have literally never seen a restrained dog in a car

esskay 4y ago
Guessing its not much of a 'thing' in the US but in the UK you have a harness that goes around the dog onto a stiff bungee type cord. It plugs into the seatbelt and allows them to move around on the seat but stops them being launched through the window if you have a crash. I'm not sure why anyone would be against protecting their pet like some of the other comments here though. Can't work out if its stupidity or ignorance.

moremetadata 4y ago

> Travelling with an unrestrained dog in a car is pretty reckless (and maybe illegal). There's pro's and con's for this. Firstly the dog could be in the front passenger seat in a harness and restrained which doesnt use the seatbelts, so the pressure sensor in the seat/base of the chair that detects weight, and a seat belt clip not inserted into the seat belt harness could trigger these cars's safety systems. Considering some cars can also let you switch off the passenger airbag and these are generally on by default with the manual override switch located in a variety of places, it might be simpler to have these options and questions built into these OLED displays which the driver has to run through, much like a pilot running through a series of checks before take off. > Travelling with an unrestrained dog in a car is pretty reckless (and maybe illegal). When dogs (and cats) are unrestrained, whilst illegal in many countries, in vehicle crashes, their faster reaction times which is faster than snakes hence why they were domesticated, mean they more often than not escape unharmed. As to being a projectile, again generally not if they are laying down inside the vehicle, but when they have their heads out of windows for Youtube views, the risk is increased. However if projectile risk is an issue, why dont people use cargo netting to strap down their mobile phones, laptops, briefcases, handbags inside a vehicle when on the daily commute? Yout cant film inside a car using Go Pro's on a race track unless the camera is attached to a surface like the inside of the windscreen with two suction pads. Yet ironically, if you are a proper VIP being chauffeured around, you'll often get told not to wear your seatbelt as these can restrain you in place in the event of an attack and the bodyguards like to get you out of the vehicle quickly... Although I see that as a mixed message considering only the bodyguard was wearing a seatbelt when Princess Diana and Dodi died in their car crash and according to someone friends with the bodyguard, MI6 told him to get them to take the route that night which was different to their normal route. Stranger Things!

cryptonector 4y ago

Good luck getting dog owners to restrain dogs in motor vehicles. That generally means putting them in a cage, and a) that is not something most dogs appreciate, b) for many dog owners that would mean upgrading to a larger vehicle. We can't make everything perfectly safe.