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Twitter has reportedly laid off product manager Esther Crawford
- Ekaros 4y agoOnly 50 people. Is that still 10% or are they going to drip them like this to the future?
- brailsafe 4y agoThis is why you don't give more to your employer than you can gaurantee they will return to you in exchange.
- kwertyoowiyop 4y ago“The graveyards are full of people the world could not do without.” - The Philistine: A Periodical of Protest
- mxstbr 4y agoEsther commented on Twitter[0]: > The worst take you could have from watching me go all-in on Twitter 2.0 is that my optimism or hard work was a mistake. Those who jeer & mock are necessarily on the sidelines and not in the arena. I’m deeply proud of the team for building through so much noise & chaos. [0]: https://twitter.com/esthercrawford/status/1630040219880914945?s=46&t=joMBDZjsscW6bP0TJIeG1Q https://twitter.com/esthercrawford/status/163004021988091494...
- ctvo 4y agoSomewhere, someone hit bingo for guessing a reference to Teddy Roosevelt's speech re: the man in the arena would be invoked. - https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/man-in-the-arena.html https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/man-in-the-arena.html
- Convolutional 4y agoMaybe she will wake up to the fact that she's been tossed out of the arena by the guy she was being sycophantic to.
- unmole 4y ago[flagged]
- red-iron-pine 4y agoDid she get 0 severance?
- aefgr89h89h89 4y agoI can't bring myself to feel sorry for her. She was one of Musk's chief toadies. She didn't just sleep on the floor; she bragged about sleeping on the floor. She was in a position of power and encouraged (perhaps required) this behavior in others.
- tlogan 4y agoThe problem here is that she sold her co-workers: people with families who really cannot afford sleeping at the office.
- hmoodie 4y ago> Those who jeer & mock are necessarily on the sidelines and not in the arena. What's this based on? I'd imagine a lot of the people jeering and mocking are actually working on building products
- TomMasz 4y agoThis is a message to all of the remaining developers there that it's time to move on. But you know there's plenty of "that won't happen to me, I'm different" going on.
- testfrequency 4y agoOr, you know, they are trapped on a working visa
- decremental 4y agoTrapped with a free pass to the best possible life they could hope for, that most people here would prefer went to people actually born here. My heart really goes out to them.
- Spivak 4y ago"Someone has it worse off than you, so it's okay if I make you work in a toxic workplace under threat of losing.. well everything." is definitely a take.
- unmole 4y ago> free pass The whole point was that they don't have a free pass. > went to people actually born here Something, something a nation of immigrants.
- mynameisvlad 4y agoDo you think all of these people on work visas just jumped over the border and magically made it to the head of the employment line or something? This was written like someone who has never been an immigrant or even taken a second to think about how difficult the process of immigrating is. Every step of the process is meant to deter you from continuing, you’re scrutinized for the most minor of things anytime you cross the border, and, guess what, you still had to get the equivalent education and skills to get the job anyway.
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- cute_boi 4y agoThis is why we need unions.
- hellojesus 4y agoJesus Christ no. This person made a voluntary decision. Don't subject the rest of the rational players to tyranny because one person made an individual decision.
- buggy6257 4y agoI don't necessarily disagree with you, but remember that this person was in a position of power in the company as the product manager leading a major effort. She sets the bar for work, and was glorifying sleeping at her desk and working insane hours to push Elon's "vision" out the door. You gotta imagine her underlings were required or pressured to do the same, and got fucked for it.
- hellojesus 4y agoI agree with your vision of the work environment. However, both the product manager and her underlyings should all have some type of emergency fund that would allow them to risk being laid off for not spending their lives at work. I know it's easier said than done, especially when some emotional attachment and loyalty exists. My comment was more related to how bad an idea unions are under the Wagner Act rather than anything concrete to these employees' experiences.
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- meepmorp 4y agoThe tyranny of employees engaging in collective bargaining with employers truly does sound like a nightmare.
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- stuaxo 4y agoShe made herself into a great example of what not to do.
- unmole 4y ago> Thank you, all your hard work is reflected in the quality of the current twitter user experience https://mobile.twitter.com/pixelatedboat/status/1630073024912449538 https://mobile.twitter.com/pixelatedboat/status/163007302491...
- meepmorp 4y agoOuch
- sys42590 4y agoAren't crazy deadlines and other unreachable goals used to get an official reason to fire unwanted employees? Basically the Performance Improvement Plan followed by a firing method?
- red-iron-pine 4y agoThey gave her a PIP she couldn't live up to -- and somehow she did. Got fired anyway. The lesson here is that a PIP is a polite way to be shown the door; lead time to look for a new job, essentially.
- afavour 4y agoA cautionary tale for the ages. So much of tech culture is all about "rise and grind" memes, it's always useful to have a counterpoint meme, "don't prostrate yourself for a billionaire".
- avgDev 4y agoThe day I must sleep on the floor to meet a deadline would be the day I would never work there again. Also, unless it is MY business I wouldn't grind this hard. I can put it some extra hours once a year. But if its a failure of management then I will maybe save them once. Then, they can do the job themselves after my 40 hours. If an individual told me they slept at the office to meet deadlines, I would tell them to seek treatment as that isn't normal.
- Ekaros 4y agoIf I were to sleep on the floor to meet deadlines. I better be paid 200% OT for hours I slept...
- irl_chad 4y agoWhen working hospital shifts, I routinely took naps whenever possible. I personally wouldn’t hire an engineer with your sense of entitlement, because you would be very difficult to manage and probably wouldn’t produce the same results as your other team-player colleagues.
- Ekaros 4y agoI didn't say I wouldn't do it. I'm just saying that I expect to be paid for your failures on most likely planning. As if you had done your job properly I would not be expected to work so much that I don't have time to commute to home to sleep.
- tpxl 4y agoThe fucking entitlement to call someone not a team-player for going home to sleep.
- unmole 4y agoAnd I wouldn't want to work for someone who thinks not wanting to sleep in the office was an entitlement.
- afavour 4y ago
- buggy6257 4y agoShe got exactly what she deserved. The only sad parts of this: - She VERY obviously didn't learn her lesson. See her tweets after the layoff. - The insane number of people responding with positive encouragement for "how hard [she] worked" and how it sets a good example. What a fucking travesty of a work culture some people have. VALUE YOUR OWN TIME PEOPLE. All she did was help Elon attempt to recover a stupid business decision, and her reward was being sent back into the job market to do the same thing for some other billionaire in the future. This is the TEXTBOOK definition of being taken advantage of, combined with some astonishing stockholm syndrome.
- afavour 4y ago> She VERY obviously didn't learn her lesson. See her tweets after the layoff. Meh. She's saving face. Very high chance she feels like an absolute idiot on the inside but admitting as much doesn't help her maintain social media cred.
- buggy6257 4y agoThat doesn't necessarily mean she learned her lesson. She may go so deep into denying the mistake that she ends up doing it again just to prove that she was right. Based on how fervently she's defending herself, that seems likely to me. But yes you're absolutely right that there was no chance she was going to actually admit it was a bad idea for her to commit like this. People don't like admitting that stuff and will do whatever they can to avoid it.
- Marsymars 4y agoOr choice-supportive bias.
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- mariusor 4y ago> VALUE YOUR OWN TIME PEOPLE. I find this lack of empathy disturbing. What if this person values the time they spend on making twitter better? It's quite likely that there are people that enjoy their job so much they are willing to prioritize it over most other things.
- naikrovek 4y agoElon is such a turbo jackass. like a normal jackass but faster. he is eroding any loyalty the still employed employees may have. if they're smart employees, anyway. if they're not smart, he doesn't want them. on personal sacrifice for an employer: the belief that working hard and sacrificing your personal time will bring promotion and reward in the US is severely misplaced in 2023, especially with any publicly traded company, or even a private company beyond a certain size. each employee becomes a resource just like water or electricity or compute or storage, and good behavior is neither noticed nor rewarded. resources are managed as resources, and not as people. certainly not as beings which grow and improve with proper care and feeding.
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- noisy_boy 4y agoTo those who are saying that she got what she deserved, she will have plenty of job offers lined up because she was selling herself as being the kind of person we abhor and typical management loves and clearly we have bought it. So will some others who have jobs to offer.
- scythe 4y agoIf you're going to have a public presence after being laid off, you want to come off exactly how she is right now. Of course, it would be nice to live in a world where we don't have so much public presence. But humanity has been through worse.
- hn_throwaway_99 4y ago> To those who are saying that she got what she deserved I mean, both are what she deserved? I.e. expecting any sort of loyalty/humanity from a psychopathic billionaire, but also additional job offers because of her devotion. I mean, if she wants to sleep at work until she retires, good for her. I'll sleep at home thanks.
- 5350-uiop-1130 4y agothere's a million ready to take her place. willing to work even hardcore(rerer). we are all disposable
- jszymborski 4y ago> "At one point, she even shared a photo of herself sleeping on the floor of Twitter’s office." In fairness, it's a photo she didn't take or post. The quote tweet could have been damage control as much as people think it was humble bragging
- rqcyn 4y agoThe role was "product manager". Maybe he is reverting to startup mode and only keeps programmers.
- pictur 4y agoI think it's perfectly appropriate for someone with such a low profile to work for Elon. A low-profile employee and a low-profile boss are a very good match. By the way, sharing a photo of him lying on the floor is one of the funniest things I've ever seen in my life.
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- nickcotter 4y agoAn incredible journey. https://www.docsend.com/blog/how-esther-crawford-built-grew-and-sold-her-startup-squad-to-twitter/ https://www.docsend.com/blog/how-esther-crawford-built-grew-...