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It’s incredibly pathetic and speaks to the inanity of this movement in the publishing industry that they edit old ips instead of investing in new ip that exempl

It’s incredibly pathetic and speaks to the inanity of this movement in the publishing industry that they edit old ips instead of investing in new ip that exemplifies their newfound principles.

NullPrefix 4y ago
New woke ip flops belly up, so they take what they can. Edit: Question to the downvoter: Which woke IP didn't flop?
- rideontime 4y ago
  Avatar
  - NullPrefix 4y ago
    >'Avatar 2' is already the 10th highest-grossing movie ever made OK, point taken
  - humanizersequel 4y ago
    I don't think the original Avatar was particularly "woke", what makes you say that? Edit: and Avatar 2 is not an example of a "new IP"
    - NullPrefix 4y ago
      Haven't seen the second, but afaik the internets are telling me it's woke enough. I was following the logic of "why change old Bond releases when you can release a new woke Bond"
      - op00to 4y ago
        What does “woke” mean?
        NullPrefix 4y ago
        I would define woke as extremely politically correct without any regards to moral values
        op00to 4y ago
        Whose moral values?
    - delecti 4y ago
      Avatar is the story of a soldier who joins a non-industrial society and fights back against the military trying to mine resources. It wasn't subtle. How about this: American soldier joins Cherokee resistance fighters and successfully defends burial ground from "liberation" force trying to tap oil reservoirs underneath the land. Okay, now the Cherokee are blue aliens, the oil is "unobtanium", and there are spaceships.
    - dekhn 4y ago
      The original avatar is about indigenous people (with the help of a gone-native soldier and a sympathetic scientist) using their wits to overcome a greedy military-industrial that is attempting to reap all the minerals on their planet. That certainly qualifies.
- brookst 4y ago
  Gina Carano’s Terror on the Prairie.
- api 4y ago
  I'll give a couple historical and current examples: Star Trek was always woke, starting with its at the time quite "woke" black communications' officer and many plots with aliens as stand-ins for different races or nations. The initial show got cancelled (as is often the case with even successful sci-fi) but it gave birth to a giant franchise that continued to be at least somewhat "woke" by contemporary standards. Definitely not a flop. The Apple TV series For All Mankind is going into season 4 and is relatively popular. I liked it. It's full of "woke" stuff but is well written and is based on a really good premise. My favorite fan theory is that it's an unofficial prequel to The Expanse. Not sure I'd call The Expanse "woke" but it's also not not-woke and has a number of background elements like the popularity of polyamory and bisexual characters sure to trigger right-wingers. I could keep listing sci-fi. Lots of "woke" sci-fi. Films, lots of them. There's many films about civil rights and social justice struggles that are quite good and did not flop: Mississippi Burning, Schindler's List, 12 Years a Slave, Hidden Figures, etc. Disney has recently made a bunch of Pixar films that are pretty woke and didn't exactly flop. I do agree that there's been a fair amount of stuff that feels like "woke" plot points have been shoehorned into it, but that's just bad writing. Bad writing is bad writing. If anything the woke stuff might be getting shoehorned in in a frantic attempt to dress up a turkey. "Lets throw some gay characters into this shitty movie to be edgy for gen-Z."
  - throwuwu 4y ago
    You’re confusing woke and liberal.
    - acdha 4y ago
      In practice, the former is mostly a word conservatives use to attack the latter. The words used have changed since politicians are less likely to run scared of being called “liberal” but the sides have not.
  - woooooo 4y ago
    I think there's a bigger difference than quality. If I watch a bad episode of Star Trek, I don't come away disliking Gene Roddenberry as a person, it's just a bad episode. Some of the woke stuff is actively obnoxious and self-aggrandizing beyond merely not landing.
- parkersweb 4y ago
  Not the downvoter - but I’m guessing it was for using the term ‘woke’ - a derogatory term that is so often used lazily to excuse racism, homophobia or misogyny by people who don’t want to engage in discussion.
  - hyperhopper 4y ago
    That's true, 60% of the time that's the case. Though also how else do you describe things like the new Velma show, that just try to cram as many progressive causes/jokes/viewpoints into a piece as possible while making sure to have nothing that strays from that pattern? Sure saying "wow series X is woke because a character is gay which means it's pandering and sucks" is lazy, but at a certain point there is a point where it's useful to have a word to categorize this phenomenon.
    - ashwagary 4y ago
      >at a certain point there is a point where it's useful to have a word to categorize this phenomenon. Other words can simply be used. "Woke" shouldnt have to be diverted so far from its original definition just to become a convenient catchall term.
acdha 4y ago
This seems like the classic large organization small-c conservative thinking at work: a bunch of people in a conference room are trying to avoid any possible risk, so new IP is right out because it’s unproven and nobody wants to accept that the Bond franchise’s peak was in the past and it’s going to keep declining because fewer young people relate to their grandfather or great-grandfather’s grandfather male power fantasy novels. That kind of corporate group-think is the opposite of creativity and it’s why so much children’s entertainment is so bad since they’re basically doing paint by numbers trying to cover each buyer demographic they’re fantasizing about.
- op00to 4y ago
  Kid’s entertainment is FAR more entertaining for adults and children now than when I was a kid. Even something as sacred as Sesame Street is far better today than it was 35 years ago, and it was good 35 years ago.
rvnx 4y ago
Makes me laugh, because it reminded me my first interview with a company developing games. "Wait, you don't understand, your ideas are cool, but the publishers don't want revolutionary concepts, it's too much risk. It's better to take Call of Duty II, Fifa 2008, or Doom IV, this is why here we are only developing franchises" Awwww, they were right....
starkd 4y ago
It does speak to a lack of imagination, doesn't it? The impulse to alter these works maybe even suggests a lack of confidence in your own ideas.
op00to 4y ago
I’m so confused - do you believe publishers should be forced to only publish one, single version of a book, and continue that version in perpetuity? They are never allowed to go out of print, and never allowed to fix a typo lest they be seen pathetic? Is that it?
- blockwriter 4y ago
  It’s concerning that a company acquired the rights to publish books from the middle of the 20th century and is just now discovering the typos, but sure. Fix the typos. Letting the book go out of print would be a far less grotesque option than the revisionism being indulged in in this case.
  - op00to 4y ago
    No, it’s not concerning. Things change. Get over it.
    - blockwriter 4y ago
      The matter that I said was concerning was tangential to the main point, a joke, if you will. I wish you peace.
      - op00to 4y ago
        duh, thanks. my humor is broke.
        blockwriter 4y ago
        You’re welcome. You remain funny in your own way despite the faulty instrument.
        op00to 4y ago
        My wife says I’m funny looking.

It’s incredibly pathetic and speaks to the inanity of this movement in the publishing industry that they edit old ips instead of investing in new ip that exemplifies their newfound principles.

NullPrefix 4y ago

New woke ip flops belly up, so they take what they can. Edit: Question to the downvoter: Which woke IP didn't flop?

rideontime 4y ago
Avatar
- NullPrefix 4y ago
  >'Avatar 2' is already the 10th highest-grossing movie ever made OK, point taken
- humanizersequel 4y ago
  I don't think the original Avatar was particularly "woke", what makes you say that? Edit: and Avatar 2 is not an example of a "new IP"
  - NullPrefix 4y ago
    Haven't seen the second, but afaik the internets are telling me it's woke enough. I was following the logic of "why change old Bond releases when you can release a new woke Bond"
    - op00to 4y ago
      What does “woke” mean?
      - NullPrefix 4y ago
        I would define woke as extremely politically correct without any regards to moral values
        op00to 4y ago
        Whose moral values?
  - delecti 4y ago
    Avatar is the story of a soldier who joins a non-industrial society and fights back against the military trying to mine resources. It wasn't subtle. How about this: American soldier joins Cherokee resistance fighters and successfully defends burial ground from "liberation" force trying to tap oil reservoirs underneath the land. Okay, now the Cherokee are blue aliens, the oil is "unobtanium", and there are spaceships.
  - dekhn 4y ago
    The original avatar is about indigenous people (with the help of a gone-native soldier and a sympathetic scientist) using their wits to overcome a greedy military-industrial that is attempting to reap all the minerals on their planet. That certainly qualifies.
brookst 4y ago
Gina Carano’s Terror on the Prairie.
api 4y ago
I'll give a couple historical and current examples: Star Trek was always woke, starting with its at the time quite "woke" black communications' officer and many plots with aliens as stand-ins for different races or nations. The initial show got cancelled (as is often the case with even successful sci-fi) but it gave birth to a giant franchise that continued to be at least somewhat "woke" by contemporary standards. Definitely not a flop. The Apple TV series For All Mankind is going into season 4 and is relatively popular. I liked it. It's full of "woke" stuff but is well written and is based on a really good premise. My favorite fan theory is that it's an unofficial prequel to The Expanse. Not sure I'd call The Expanse "woke" but it's also not not-woke and has a number of background elements like the popularity of polyamory and bisexual characters sure to trigger right-wingers. I could keep listing sci-fi. Lots of "woke" sci-fi. Films, lots of them. There's many films about civil rights and social justice struggles that are quite good and did not flop: Mississippi Burning, Schindler's List, 12 Years a Slave, Hidden Figures, etc. Disney has recently made a bunch of Pixar films that are pretty woke and didn't exactly flop. I do agree that there's been a fair amount of stuff that feels like "woke" plot points have been shoehorned into it, but that's just bad writing. Bad writing is bad writing. If anything the woke stuff might be getting shoehorned in in a frantic attempt to dress up a turkey. "Lets throw some gay characters into this shitty movie to be edgy for gen-Z."
- throwuwu 4y ago
  You’re confusing woke and liberal.
  - acdha 4y ago
    In practice, the former is mostly a word conservatives use to attack the latter. The words used have changed since politicians are less likely to run scared of being called “liberal” but the sides have not.
- woooooo 4y ago
  I think there's a bigger difference than quality. If I watch a bad episode of Star Trek, I don't come away disliking Gene Roddenberry as a person, it's just a bad episode. Some of the woke stuff is actively obnoxious and self-aggrandizing beyond merely not landing.
parkersweb 4y ago
Not the downvoter - but I’m guessing it was for using the term ‘woke’ - a derogatory term that is so often used lazily to excuse racism, homophobia or misogyny by people who don’t want to engage in discussion.
- hyperhopper 4y ago
  That's true, 60% of the time that's the case. Though also how else do you describe things like the new Velma show, that just try to cram as many progressive causes/jokes/viewpoints into a piece as possible while making sure to have nothing that strays from that pattern? Sure saying "wow series X is woke because a character is gay which means it's pandering and sucks" is lazy, but at a certain point there is a point where it's useful to have a word to categorize this phenomenon.
  - ashwagary 4y ago
    >at a certain point there is a point where it's useful to have a word to categorize this phenomenon. Other words can simply be used. "Woke" shouldnt have to be diverted so far from its original definition just to become a convenient catchall term.

acdha 4y ago

This seems like the classic large organization small-c conservative thinking at work: a bunch of people in a conference room are trying to avoid any possible risk, so new IP is right out because it’s unproven and nobody wants to accept that the Bond franchise’s peak was in the past and it’s going to keep declining because fewer young people relate to their grandfather or great-grandfather’s grandfather male power fantasy novels. That kind of corporate group-think is the opposite of creativity and it’s why so much children’s entertainment is so bad since they’re basically doing paint by numbers trying to cover each buyer demographic they’re fantasizing about.

op00to 4y ago
Kid’s entertainment is FAR more entertaining for adults and children now than when I was a kid. Even something as sacred as Sesame Street is far better today than it was 35 years ago, and it was good 35 years ago.

rvnx 4y ago

Makes me laugh, because it reminded me my first interview with a company developing games. "Wait, you don't understand, your ideas are cool, but the publishers don't want revolutionary concepts, it's too much risk. It's better to take Call of Duty II, Fifa 2008, or Doom IV, this is why here we are only developing franchises" Awwww, they were right....

starkd 4y ago

It does speak to a lack of imagination, doesn't it? The impulse to alter these works maybe even suggests a lack of confidence in your own ideas.

op00to 4y ago

I’m so confused - do you believe publishers should be forced to only publish one, single version of a book, and continue that version in perpetuity? They are never allowed to go out of print, and never allowed to fix a typo lest they be seen pathetic? Is that it?

blockwriter 4y ago
It’s concerning that a company acquired the rights to publish books from the middle of the 20th century and is just now discovering the typos, but sure. Fix the typos. Letting the book go out of print would be a far less grotesque option than the revisionism being indulged in in this case.
- op00to 4y ago
  No, it’s not concerning. Things change. Get over it.
  - blockwriter 4y ago
    The matter that I said was concerning was tangential to the main point, a joke, if you will. I wish you peace.
    - op00to 4y ago
      duh, thanks. my humor is broke.
      - blockwriter 4y ago
        You’re welcome. You remain funny in your own way despite the faulty instrument.
        op00to 4y ago
        My wife says I’m funny looking.