5 ms·

He is shocked that about 47% of black Americans polled allegedly responded to the question "Is it okay to be white?" with either "Not sure" or "No" (roughly spl

He is shocked that about 47% of black Americans polled allegedly responded to the question "Is it okay to be white?" with either "Not sure" or "No" (roughly split down the middle of the 47%). He reacts to this with a resolution to cease his allegedly long campaign of "helping black people". As a result of the poll, he'll also cease to identify as black (which he says he has because he thought it's fitting to identify as the group he's helped for so long), considering black people a "hate group" if nearly half of them do not believe it's okay to be white. He also recommends that, if you're white, you should try to "get the hell away" from black people, citing the example of his moving to a predominantly white neighborhood. He says "there's no fixing this", suggesting helping black people is a lost cause. He defines "help" as "give you a hand; mentor you; hire you; prefer you", saying he'll "stop all of that" and that it won't work. He concludes the only thing that works is "fixing your own problem", like "everyone else" has, refusing to speculate why there's a difference in the extent to which various groups have done so. He ends with mentioning seeing a "black person beating the shit out of some white person" on social media "every damn day" and that he's "over it", refusing to align with "any group", whether "white supremacists" or "black racists".

teddyh 4y ago
OK, now explain how this is “unhinged racism”.
- shrimp_emoji 4y ago
  I don't know about that, but in https://youtu.be/fYXkMieE0CA?t=350 https://youtu.be/fYXkMieE0CA?t=350 this stream he says "a racist is a person who tries to reduce racism or a person who has racism". At https://youtu.be/fYXkMieE0CA?t=1186 https://youtu.be/fYXkMieE0CA?t=1186, he says that what he did was "the opposite of racism -- but also racism . . . the opposite of racism is racism".
- aport 4y ago
  How about you explain how what was just shown to you is not unhinged racism.
  - teddyh 4y ago
    It’s the people who claims to see the emperor’s clothes who must be able to describe them. The people who think he’s naked can’t really describe the clothes they don’t see.
    - ModernMech 4y ago
      I notice a lot of people responded to you substantively, but you only responded to the ones who didn’t. If you want to advance the conversation, you might respond to them instead of asking the same question over and over.
      - teddyh 4y ago
        Yes, if someone writes something to which I have no substantive response (i.e. if any reply I could make would be entirely trivial), and if their point is generally a good point, I simply upvote it and move on. The issue has been aired, adequate coverage has been given to various views; there is no need for the thread to continue indefinetely. It is only when I have a good counter-argument (which nobody else has already delivered) that I reply. (Or, sometimes, when a question is obviously directed at me personally.)
- PuppyTailWags 4y ago
  Suggesting white people get "the hell away from" any race is pretty unhinged, Imma be honest. I can't imagine any non-unhinged situation where an entire race is verboten to my entire race.
  - landoftheice 4y ago
    [dead]
- freejazz 4y ago
  Saying that he identified as black, now doesn't, and will therefore also stop helping black people, and that white people should stay away from black people, because some sort of a poll, seems likely completely unhinged stupidity of a particularly racial bent. If that wasn't obvious to you, what do you think it is?
- MollyRealized 4y ago
  With the admonition that I agree with none of this, here is what he said in the recording I viewed: "If nearly half of all blacks are not okay with white people -- according to this poll, not according to me, according to this poll -- that's a hate group. That's a hate group, and I don't want to have anything to do with them. And I would say, you know based on the current way things are going, the best advice I would give to white people is to get the hell away from black people. Just get the fuck away, wherever you have to go, just get away. Because there's no fixing this. This can't be fixed, right? This can't be fixed. You just have to escape. So that's what I did: I went to a neighborhood where, you know, I have a very low black population. Because, unfortunately, you know, there's a high correlation between the density -- and this is according to Don Lemon, by the way, and so here I'm just quoting Don Lemon, when he notes that, when he lived in a mostly black neighborhood, there were a bunch of problems they didn't see in white neighborhoods. So even Don Lemon sees a big difference in your own quality of living based on where he lived and who's there. "So I think it makes no sense whatsoever as a white citizen of America to try to help black citizens anymore. It doesn't make sense. It's no longer a rational impulse. "And I'm gonna, I'm gonna back off from being helpful to black America -- because it doesn't seem like it pays off. Like, I've been doing it all my life, and have been -- the only outcome is I've been, I get called a racist. That's the only outcome. It makes no sense to help black Americans if you're white. It's over. Don't don't even think it's worth trying. Totally not trying. And. There we go. You didn't expect that today, did you? [beep] "But those who don't want to focus on education, you just need to get away from them. Just get as much distance as you can. That's my recommendation, and I'm also really sick of seeing video after video of black Americans beating up non-black citizens. I'm -- you know, I realize this is anecdotal, you know, and doesn't give me a full picture of what's happening, but every damn day I look on social media and there's some black person beating this shit out of some white person. I'm kind of over it. I'm over it, right? So, I quit."
  - teddyh 4y ago
    OK, now explain how this is “unhinged racism”.
    - MollyRealized 4y ago
- patriciaaa 4y ago
  [dead]
- giardini 4y ago
  shrimp_emoji says:>"He is shocked that about 47% of black Americans polled allegedly responded to the question "Is it okay to be white?" with either "Not sure" or "No" (roughly split down the middle of the 47%)."< teddyh says: >"OK, now explain how this is “unhinged racism”< Is 47% not "unhinged racism"? What about 44% as referred to in the movie "Ship of Fools", set in 1933 pre-WWII on a German passenger boat. Lowenthal is a Jew and Glocken a dwarf - groups later purged by the Nazis: Glocken: Fifty percent of the people who produced a Goethe, a Beethoven, and a Bach voted for Rieber's [Nazi] party last week! Lowenthal: [grumbles disagreed] Forty-four percent. Glocken: Lowenthal, you are blind; you're absolutely blind! You can't see what's going on in front of your own face. Lowenthal: What do you mean? Ah, you mean this business about the Jews? You don't understand us. The German-Jew is something special. We are Germans first and Jews second. We have done so much for Germany; Germany has done so much for us. A little patience, a little good will; it works itself out. [scoffs endearingly] Huh, listen, there are nearly a million Jews in Germany. What are they going to do? Kill all of us? See the whole context at the "quotes" section at https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059712/quotes/?ref_=tt_trv_qu\\ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059712/quotes/?ref_=tt_trv_qu\...
trafficante 4y ago
Would be really nice if maybe the “conservatives” would one day advance an actual conservative solution like incentivizing the creation and stability of black families.

teddyh 4y ago

OK, now explain how this is “unhinged racism”.

shrimp_emoji 4y ago
I don't know about that, but in https://youtu.be/fYXkMieE0CA?t=350 https://youtu.be/fYXkMieE0CA?t=350 this stream he says "a racist is a person who tries to reduce racism or a person who has racism". At https://youtu.be/fYXkMieE0CA?t=1186 https://youtu.be/fYXkMieE0CA?t=1186, he says that what he did was "the opposite of racism -- but also racism . . . the opposite of racism is racism".
aport 4y ago
How about you explain how what was just shown to you is not unhinged racism.
- teddyh 4y ago
  It’s the people who claims to see the emperor’s clothes who must be able to describe them. The people who think he’s naked can’t really describe the clothes they don’t see.
  - ModernMech 4y ago
    I notice a lot of people responded to you substantively, but you only responded to the ones who didn’t. If you want to advance the conversation, you might respond to them instead of asking the same question over and over.
    - teddyh 4y ago
      Yes, if someone writes something to which I have no substantive response (i.e. if any reply I could make would be entirely trivial), and if their point is generally a good point, I simply upvote it and move on. The issue has been aired, adequate coverage has been given to various views; there is no need for the thread to continue indefinetely. It is only when I have a good counter-argument (which nobody else has already delivered) that I reply. (Or, sometimes, when a question is obviously directed at me personally.)
PuppyTailWags 4y ago
Suggesting white people get "the hell away from" any race is pretty unhinged, Imma be honest. I can't imagine any non-unhinged situation where an entire race is verboten to my entire race.
- landoftheice 4y ago
  [dead]
freejazz 4y ago
Saying that he identified as black, now doesn't, and will therefore also stop helping black people, and that white people should stay away from black people, because some sort of a poll, seems likely completely unhinged stupidity of a particularly racial bent. If that wasn't obvious to you, what do you think it is?
MollyRealized 4y ago
With the admonition that I agree with none of this, here is what he said in the recording I viewed: "If nearly half of all blacks are not okay with white people -- according to this poll, not according to me, according to this poll -- that's a hate group. That's a hate group, and I don't want to have anything to do with them. And I would say, you know based on the current way things are going, the best advice I would give to white people is to get the hell away from black people. Just get the fuck away, wherever you have to go, just get away. Because there's no fixing this. This can't be fixed, right? This can't be fixed. You just have to escape. So that's what I did: I went to a neighborhood where, you know, I have a very low black population. Because, unfortunately, you know, there's a high correlation between the density -- and this is according to Don Lemon, by the way, and so here I'm just quoting Don Lemon, when he notes that, when he lived in a mostly black neighborhood, there were a bunch of problems they didn't see in white neighborhoods. So even Don Lemon sees a big difference in your own quality of living based on where he lived and who's there. "So I think it makes no sense whatsoever as a white citizen of America to try to help black citizens anymore. It doesn't make sense. It's no longer a rational impulse. "And I'm gonna, I'm gonna back off from being helpful to black America -- because it doesn't seem like it pays off. Like, I've been doing it all my life, and have been -- the only outcome is I've been, I get called a racist. That's the only outcome. It makes no sense to help black Americans if you're white. It's over. Don't don't even think it's worth trying. Totally not trying. And. There we go. You didn't expect that today, did you? [beep] "But those who don't want to focus on education, you just need to get away from them. Just get as much distance as you can. That's my recommendation, and I'm also really sick of seeing video after video of black Americans beating up non-black citizens. I'm -- you know, I realize this is anecdotal, you know, and doesn't give me a full picture of what's happening, but every damn day I look on social media and there's some black person beating this shit out of some white person. I'm kind of over it. I'm over it, right? So, I quit."
- teddyh 4y ago
  OK, now explain how this is “unhinged racism”.
  - MollyRealized 4y ago
patriciaaa 4y ago
[dead]
giardini 4y ago
shrimp_emoji says:>"He is shocked that about 47% of black Americans polled allegedly responded to the question "Is it okay to be white?" with either "Not sure" or "No" (roughly split down the middle of the 47%)."< teddyh says: >"OK, now explain how this is “unhinged racism”< Is 47% not "unhinged racism"? What about 44% as referred to in the movie "Ship of Fools", set in 1933 pre-WWII on a German passenger boat. Lowenthal is a Jew and Glocken a dwarf - groups later purged by the Nazis: Glocken: Fifty percent of the people who produced a Goethe, a Beethoven, and a Bach voted for Rieber's [Nazi] party last week! Lowenthal: [grumbles disagreed] Forty-four percent. Glocken: Lowenthal, you are blind; you're absolutely blind! You can't see what's going on in front of your own face. Lowenthal: What do you mean? Ah, you mean this business about the Jews? You don't understand us. The German-Jew is something special. We are Germans first and Jews second. We have done so much for Germany; Germany has done so much for us. A little patience, a little good will; it works itself out. [scoffs endearingly] Huh, listen, there are nearly a million Jews in Germany. What are they going to do? Kill all of us? See the whole context at the "quotes" section at https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059712/quotes/?ref_=tt_trv_qu\\ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059712/quotes/?ref_=tt_trv_qu\...

trafficante 4y ago

Would be really nice if maybe the “conservatives” would one day advance an actual conservative solution like incentivizing the creation and stability of black families.