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If the alt-right dog whistle isn't convincing enough for you and you think he is just being edgy/contrarian, I suggest you listen to a couple of minutes of his

If the alt-right dog whistle isn't convincing enough for you and you think he is just being edgy/contrarian, I suggest you listen to a couple of minutes of his rant and see the unhinged racism he is spewing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6TnAn7qV1s&t=816s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6TnAn7qV1s&t=816s

teddyh 4y ago
You link to the video, but (as I can’t watch a video right now) can you quote (and explain) the “unhinged racism”?
- suprjami 4y ago
  You can watch in the YouTube app with no volume and captions turned on, it's just like reading. Or you could read the article which quotes a couple of things.
- shrimp_emoji 4y ago
  He is shocked that about 47% of black Americans polled allegedly responded to the question "Is it okay to be white?" with either "Not sure" or "No" (roughly split down the middle of the 47%). He reacts to this with a resolution to cease his allegedly long campaign of "helping black people". As a result of the poll, he'll also cease to identify as black (which he says he has because he thought it's fitting to identify as the group he's helped for so long), considering black people a "hate group" if nearly half of them do not believe it's okay to be white. He also recommends that, if you're white, you should try to "get the hell away" from black people, citing the example of his moving to a predominantly white neighborhood. He says "there's no fixing this", suggesting helping black people is a lost cause. He defines "help" as "give you a hand; mentor you; hire you; prefer you", saying he'll "stop all of that" and that it won't work. He concludes the only thing that works is "fixing your own problem", like "everyone else" has, refusing to speculate why there's a difference in the extent to which various groups have done so. He ends with mentioning seeing a "black person beating the shit out of some white person" on social media "every damn day" and that he's "over it", refusing to align with "any group", whether "white supremacists" or "black racists".
  - teddyh 4y ago
    OK, now explain how this is “unhinged racism”.
    - shrimp_emoji 4y ago
      I don't know about that, but in https://youtu.be/fYXkMieE0CA?t=350 https://youtu.be/fYXkMieE0CA?t=350 this stream he says "a racist is a person who tries to reduce racism or a person who has racism". At https://youtu.be/fYXkMieE0CA?t=1186 https://youtu.be/fYXkMieE0CA?t=1186, he says that what he did was "the opposite of racism -- but also racism . . . the opposite of racism is racism".
    - aport 4y ago
      How about you explain how what was just shown to you is not unhinged racism.
      - teddyh 4y ago
        It’s the people who claims to see the emperor’s clothes who must be able to describe them. The people who think he’s naked can’t really describe the clothes they don’t see.
        ModernMech 4y ago
        I notice a lot of people responded to you substantively, but you only responded to the ones who didn’t. If you want to advance the conversation, you might respond to them instead of asking the same question over and over.
        teddyh 4y ago
        Yes, if someone writes something to which I have no substantive response (i.e. if any reply I could make would be entirely trivial), and if their point is generally a good point, I simply upvote it and move on. The issue has been aired, adequate coverage has been given to various views; there is no need for the thread to continue indefinetely. It is only when I have a good counter-argument (which nobody else has already delivered) that I reply. (Or, sometimes, when a question is obviously directed at me personally.)
urracist 4y ago
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olivermarks 4y ago
@Raed667 ' alt-right dog whistle' ,'rant' ,'spewing unhinged racism'. Not hearing it, could you explain how and why you feel this? Cancelling a cartoonist because he was shocked nearly half of 'black' people polled had racist views of 'white' people and decided he would stop supporting 'black' causes is not exactly earth shattering if you live in the bay area. Racialization of everything has caused tremendous polarization, which combined with an epic level of drug fueled crime (some of it very violent) has made people of all types very paranoid. Very unhealthy and fueled to a large extent by well meaning 'compassionate' suburbanites who have no clue what is going on out there except via their boob tube.
- acdha 4y ago
  > Cancelling a cartoonist because he was shocked nearly half of 'black' people polled had racist views of 'white' people and decided he would stop supporting 'black' causes is not exactly earth shattering if you live in the bay area. That’s not what happened: “it’s okay to be white” is a well-known white supremacist campaign which started on 4chan. Here’s a history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_okay_to_be_white https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_okay_to_be_white It’s designed to sound plausibly benign to people who aren’t paying attention — for example, anyone who didn’t stop to ask why someone felt the need to answer a question nobody was asking – but black people in the US are unsurprisingly not given the opportunity to be oblivious to racism. Ask a black person or a Jewish person what the neo-nazis are doing and they’re far more likely to be at least somewhat informed because a lot of people in their communities can’t afford not to be.
  - trafficante 4y ago
    Are we really this easily duped? The entire EXPLICITLY STATED point of these /pol/ campaigns is to manipulate the media into acting as an engine of radicalization. “It’s okay to be white” would have died on the vine right next to “Islam is right about women” if the media didn’t go into an amplification feeding frenzy. Edit: and sure, the cat’s out of the bag and actual racists are probably using the phrase now. But clearly no lesson has been learned - ditching Scott Adams for supposedly making reprehensible racist remarks is going to absolutely set more than a few people down the path of radicalization when they look up what he said and see “it’s okay to be white”. I can only imagine the glee over on 4chan right now.
trafficante 4y ago
Thanks for the link, although I could only stomach a few minutes of purestrain midwittery pouring into my skull before I had to shut it off. Certainly didn’t sound like anything I’d associate with the alt-right, just the standard boomercon “the Dems are the real racists amirite” useless reactionary claptrap. People like Adams and Peterson need to stay in their narrow lanes of expertise and stop beclowning themselves. Stating “47% of blacks have issues with the phrase ‘it’s okay to be white’” isn’t racist, just unbearably stupid if you don’t follow up with an answer to “why is that?” Which, of course, he didn’t. And canceling him for “racism” over that seems very unwise unless you want to further radicalize the poor sods that listen to him. Edit: if replies downthread are accurate, he does go quite a bit further into the realm of actual racism. Essentially a sanitized rewording of “around blacks, never relax”.
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- themitigating 4y ago
  These people are already traitors for supporting people who lied about election fraud. They are already radicalized so instead of worrying about that we need to start solving the problem.
faeriechangling 4y ago
“It’s okay to be white” is more of a bait than a dog whistle. Dog whistle isn’t just a generic term for “thing I don’t like”.
- fragsworth 4y ago
  Dog whistles are usually kind of baity, it's still a dog whistle, often used with the intent to anger a group of people. If the phrase were changed to something else like "White people deserve equal rights" you'll likely see different results in the poll.
giardini 4y ago
Thank you for the link. I don't see the "spewing racism" you speak of, I just see some extrapolation to social situations that make sense. FWIW as Adams says even black people try to live in neighborhoods where there are few black people b/c crime is lower in those neighborhoods. Adams remains edgy but he's generally still on point. - The Rasmussen poll result he discusses (only ~53% of blacks agree ‘It’s OK to be white’) were remarkable: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/its-ok-to-be-white-agree-72-including-53-of-blacks https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/i... - Adams lays out the obvious: "Focus on education and you could have a good life too." - Adams hits the nail on the head with the statement that "Biden just made it illegal for the(sic) AI to tell the truth". [To be legal] We have to train it to lie..." Strange but still funny quotes: "I'm now independent, not a member of any group[black, white, or other]."

teddyh 4y ago

You link to the video, but (as I can’t watch a video right now) can you quote (and explain) the “unhinged racism”?

suprjami 4y ago
You can watch in the YouTube app with no volume and captions turned on, it's just like reading. Or you could read the article which quotes a couple of things.
shrimp_emoji 4y ago
He is shocked that about 47% of black Americans polled allegedly responded to the question "Is it okay to be white?" with either "Not sure" or "No" (roughly split down the middle of the 47%). He reacts to this with a resolution to cease his allegedly long campaign of "helping black people". As a result of the poll, he'll also cease to identify as black (which he says he has because he thought it's fitting to identify as the group he's helped for so long), considering black people a "hate group" if nearly half of them do not believe it's okay to be white. He also recommends that, if you're white, you should try to "get the hell away" from black people, citing the example of his moving to a predominantly white neighborhood. He says "there's no fixing this", suggesting helping black people is a lost cause. He defines "help" as "give you a hand; mentor you; hire you; prefer you", saying he'll "stop all of that" and that it won't work. He concludes the only thing that works is "fixing your own problem", like "everyone else" has, refusing to speculate why there's a difference in the extent to which various groups have done so. He ends with mentioning seeing a "black person beating the shit out of some white person" on social media "every damn day" and that he's "over it", refusing to align with "any group", whether "white supremacists" or "black racists".
- teddyh 4y ago
  OK, now explain how this is “unhinged racism”.
  - shrimp_emoji 4y ago
    I don't know about that, but in https://youtu.be/fYXkMieE0CA?t=350 https://youtu.be/fYXkMieE0CA?t=350 this stream he says "a racist is a person who tries to reduce racism or a person who has racism". At https://youtu.be/fYXkMieE0CA?t=1186 https://youtu.be/fYXkMieE0CA?t=1186, he says that what he did was "the opposite of racism -- but also racism . . . the opposite of racism is racism".
  - aport 4y ago
    How about you explain how what was just shown to you is not unhinged racism.
    - teddyh 4y ago
      It’s the people who claims to see the emperor’s clothes who must be able to describe them. The people who think he’s naked can’t really describe the clothes they don’t see.
      - ModernMech 4y ago
        I notice a lot of people responded to you substantively, but you only responded to the ones who didn’t. If you want to advance the conversation, you might respond to them instead of asking the same question over and over.
        teddyh 4y ago
        Yes, if someone writes something to which I have no substantive response (i.e. if any reply I could make would be entirely trivial), and if their point is generally a good point, I simply upvote it and move on. The issue has been aired, adequate coverage has been given to various views; there is no need for the thread to continue indefinetely. It is only when I have a good counter-argument (which nobody else has already delivered) that I reply. (Or, sometimes, when a question is obviously directed at me personally.)

urracist 4y ago

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olivermarks 4y ago

@Raed667 ' alt-right dog whistle' ,'rant' ,'spewing unhinged racism'. Not hearing it, could you explain how and why you feel this? Cancelling a cartoonist because he was shocked nearly half of 'black' people polled had racist views of 'white' people and decided he would stop supporting 'black' causes is not exactly earth shattering if you live in the bay area. Racialization of everything has caused tremendous polarization, which combined with an epic level of drug fueled crime (some of it very violent) has made people of all types very paranoid. Very unhealthy and fueled to a large extent by well meaning 'compassionate' suburbanites who have no clue what is going on out there except via their boob tube.

acdha 4y ago
> Cancelling a cartoonist because he was shocked nearly half of 'black' people polled had racist views of 'white' people and decided he would stop supporting 'black' causes is not exactly earth shattering if you live in the bay area. That’s not what happened: “it’s okay to be white” is a well-known white supremacist campaign which started on 4chan. Here’s a history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_okay_to_be_white https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_okay_to_be_white It’s designed to sound plausibly benign to people who aren’t paying attention — for example, anyone who didn’t stop to ask why someone felt the need to answer a question nobody was asking – but black people in the US are unsurprisingly not given the opportunity to be oblivious to racism. Ask a black person or a Jewish person what the neo-nazis are doing and they’re far more likely to be at least somewhat informed because a lot of people in their communities can’t afford not to be.
- trafficante 4y ago
  Are we really this easily duped? The entire EXPLICITLY STATED point of these /pol/ campaigns is to manipulate the media into acting as an engine of radicalization. “It’s okay to be white” would have died on the vine right next to “Islam is right about women” if the media didn’t go into an amplification feeding frenzy. Edit: and sure, the cat’s out of the bag and actual racists are probably using the phrase now. But clearly no lesson has been learned - ditching Scott Adams for supposedly making reprehensible racist remarks is going to absolutely set more than a few people down the path of radicalization when they look up what he said and see “it’s okay to be white”. I can only imagine the glee over on 4chan right now.

trafficante 4y ago

Thanks for the link, although I could only stomach a few minutes of purestrain midwittery pouring into my skull before I had to shut it off. Certainly didn’t sound like anything I’d associate with the alt-right, just the standard boomercon “the Dems are the real racists amirite” useless reactionary claptrap. People like Adams and Peterson need to stay in their narrow lanes of expertise and stop beclowning themselves. Stating “47% of blacks have issues with the phrase ‘it’s okay to be white’” isn’t racist, just unbearably stupid if you don’t follow up with an answer to “why is that?” Which, of course, he didn’t. And canceling him for “racism” over that seems very unwise unless you want to further radicalize the poor sods that listen to him. Edit: if replies downthread are accurate, he does go quite a bit further into the realm of actual racism. Essentially a sanitized rewording of “around blacks, never relax”.

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themitigating 4y ago
These people are already traitors for supporting people who lied about election fraud. They are already radicalized so instead of worrying about that we need to start solving the problem.

faeriechangling 4y ago

“It’s okay to be white” is more of a bait than a dog whistle. Dog whistle isn’t just a generic term for “thing I don’t like”.

fragsworth 4y ago
Dog whistles are usually kind of baity, it's still a dog whistle, often used with the intent to anger a group of people. If the phrase were changed to something else like "White people deserve equal rights" you'll likely see different results in the poll.

giardini 4y ago

Thank you for the link. I don't see the "spewing racism" you speak of, I just see some extrapolation to social situations that make sense. FWIW as Adams says even black people try to live in neighborhoods where there are few black people b/c crime is lower in those neighborhoods. Adams remains edgy but he's generally still on point. - The Rasmussen poll result he discusses (only ~53% of blacks agree ‘It’s OK to be white’) were remarkable: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/its-ok-to-be-white-agree-72-including-53-of-blacks https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/i... - Adams lays out the obvious: "Focus on education and you could have a good life too." - Adams hits the nail on the head with the statement that "Biden just made it illegal for the(sic) AI to tell the truth". [To be legal] We have to train it to lie..." Strange but still funny quotes: "I'm now independent, not a member of any group[black, white, or other]."