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I think their HR culture may be a little toxic. When I told them their offer was not enough, they got very irate. They said if I only care about money I’m not

by cochne 4y ago

I think their HR culture may be a little toxic. When I told them their offer was not enough, they got very irate. They said if I only care about money I’m not a good fit for their culture of builders, and that I should watch out because there are lots of lay offs happening. It all left me with a very poor impression of them.

_t4za 4y ago
> They said if I only care about money I’m not a good fit for their culture Is this meant to convince you to take the offer, or is this just to vent off some steam before closing your file?
- eddsh1994 4y ago
  Hopefully the latter
  - nix23 4y ago
    Because that's "just" unprofessional or what?
- dclowd9901 4y ago
  It’s funny to think either answer is a good one.
- ranting-moth 4y ago
  I think it's called burning bridges.
jfrbfbreudh 4y ago
At that point, I would have taken their offer, collect my paycheck while still interviewing elsewhere, and wait to get fired.
- larsrc 4y ago
  Which would then leave a genuine red flag on your CV.
  - lunfard000 4y ago
    would it? Best case you would last 2-3 months if you are doing nothing, and you dont have to put in your cv.
  - vineyardmike 4y ago
    If you dont stick to a bad job and leave within a few months… just don’t put that short term job on your CV. The CV doesn’t need to include anything that’d make you look bad.
    - ixsploit 4y ago
      Depends on how the rest of your CV looks like. If you just have short term jobs, sure it’s a red flag. If you have one ones in a while, everyone will understand that it just didn’t work out.
      - zimpenfish 4y ago
        I've got two <1y permanent jobs in a row on my CV - first one was running out of money and I quit to save them a salary (I didn't believe in the holy grail pivot or new tech lead - company folded 2 months later anyway); second one "let me go" after they got a new tech lead that didn't agree with my approach. Neither is a red flag, both are just bad timing / luck.
- deepsun 4y ago
  That's dishonesty on your side, and a real red flag. Laid off and fired is different things.
  - norgie 4y ago
    I'm not defending it as a good idea, but where's the dishonesty? It honestly seems more like just a waste of your time unless you really need the job NOW
saos 4y ago
> that I should watch out because there are lots of lay offs happening. As expected. They will all attempt to drive down salaries. It will probably work
sheepscreek 4y ago
This is the type of toxicity I experienced at most companies in a top third world country (that shall not be named). I worked there for about 3-4 years and people would try to make you feel bad or guilty for all kinds of things. Sharing you got laid off was an automatic disqualification from any interview. Lying your way through was the only way. Now I think it could have been systemic or cultural. My advice to OP, you really dodged a bullet. This isn’t a healthy workplace culture that values you as a human being. Pat yourself on the back and move onwards and upwards.
- plonk 4y ago
  > This is the type of toxicity I experienced at most companies in a top third world country (that shall not be named). It's OK, we all guessed it was the US ;)
choppaface 4y ago
I met Reynold a few years ago about a job and also withdrew because he frankly got too self-righteous and made me feel uncomfortable. Cloudera was a bit warmer but was missing a lot of productive energy. I think the founding Databricks team are just very analytical and system-oriented, even when it comes to people. It's reasonable to expect the early team to have adapted to people management by now, but some of the potential champions of that have left, and the product remains primarily B2B.
frugalmail 4y ago
With all the money they raised, they're treating people like a sinking startup playing these games? Definitely a warning sign.
- jacquesm 4y ago
  Money raised is only fractionally spent on tech, predominantly it will go to sales, marketing and international expansion.
mfaler 4y ago
Knowing your worth is a big red flag, maybe?
- mcv 4y ago
  They only want people who will let themselves be exploited. Certainly not people who will stand up for themselves.
krageon 4y ago
This is the attitude of a lot of the large corporation HR teams I've spoken to.
FlyingSnake 4y ago
> They said that I should watch out because there are lots of lay offs happening. They should display some more empathy and should read the situation correctly. A significant portion of the recently laid off people are from HR and recruiting.
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nix23 4y ago
>and that I should watch out because there are lots of lay offs happening. Wow what a nice place, that's the mindset i want from my future employer. A truly nice place for builders i see... ;)
i_have_an_idea 4y ago
> They said if I only care about money I’m not a good fit for their culture of builders As a large corporation, do they care about something else other than money?
ranting-moth 4y ago
A "little toxic?". This is a nuclear bridge burning option from them, for absolutely no reason at all. Instead: "Mr. Cochne, we're sorry that we can't match your salary expectations this time. We do find you a good fit for the company, so please think about us in the future." There. No hard feelings. No burning bridges. Professional. People come and go.
coldtea 4y ago
>They said if I only care about money I’m not a good fit for their culture of builders Run, don't walk away from them...
PedroBatista 4y ago
If money isn't that important, why are they regularly getting VC money for 10 years at something like 40 Billion valuation? The sad reality is this industry is full of assholes, I don't even mean they trying to pay as little as possible, that's "business", I mean unprofessional people who play "good cop, bad cop" and all the childish games they learn on TV movies. Some of them really think they are the "new Steve Jobs", and act like one.
- anon7725 4y ago
  These are just recruiters, though. It’s a sales job and they have quotas and incentives. Many of them were not in the industry a short time ago and many are now leaving the industry on a rail. Do you expect your car sales guy to be professional? I’d love for that to be the case, but the reality is usually not so.

by cochne 4y ago

_t4za 4y ago

> They said if I only care about money I’m not a good fit for their culture Is this meant to convince you to take the offer, or is this just to vent off some steam before closing your file?

eddsh1994 4y ago
Hopefully the latter
- nix23 4y ago
  Because that's "just" unprofessional or what?
dclowd9901 4y ago
It’s funny to think either answer is a good one.
ranting-moth 4y ago
I think it's called burning bridges.

jfrbfbreudh 4y ago

At that point, I would have taken their offer, collect my paycheck while still interviewing elsewhere, and wait to get fired.

larsrc 4y ago
Which would then leave a genuine red flag on your CV.
- lunfard000 4y ago
  would it? Best case you would last 2-3 months if you are doing nothing, and you dont have to put in your cv.
- vineyardmike 4y ago
  If you dont stick to a bad job and leave within a few months… just don’t put that short term job on your CV. The CV doesn’t need to include anything that’d make you look bad.
  - ixsploit 4y ago
    Depends on how the rest of your CV looks like. If you just have short term jobs, sure it’s a red flag. If you have one ones in a while, everyone will understand that it just didn’t work out.
    - zimpenfish 4y ago
      I've got two <1y permanent jobs in a row on my CV - first one was running out of money and I quit to save them a salary (I didn't believe in the holy grail pivot or new tech lead - company folded 2 months later anyway); second one "let me go" after they got a new tech lead that didn't agree with my approach. Neither is a red flag, both are just bad timing / luck.
deepsun 4y ago
That's dishonesty on your side, and a real red flag. Laid off and fired is different things.
- norgie 4y ago
  I'm not defending it as a good idea, but where's the dishonesty? It honestly seems more like just a waste of your time unless you really need the job NOW

saos 4y ago

> that I should watch out because there are lots of lay offs happening. As expected. They will all attempt to drive down salaries. It will probably work

sheepscreek 4y ago

This is the type of toxicity I experienced at most companies in a top third world country (that shall not be named). I worked there for about 3-4 years and people would try to make you feel bad or guilty for all kinds of things. Sharing you got laid off was an automatic disqualification from any interview. Lying your way through was the only way. Now I think it could have been systemic or cultural. My advice to OP, you really dodged a bullet. This isn’t a healthy workplace culture that values you as a human being. Pat yourself on the back and move onwards and upwards.

plonk 4y ago
> This is the type of toxicity I experienced at most companies in a top third world country (that shall not be named). It's OK, we all guessed it was the US ;)

choppaface 4y ago

I met Reynold a few years ago about a job and also withdrew because he frankly got too self-righteous and made me feel uncomfortable. Cloudera was a bit warmer but was missing a lot of productive energy. I think the founding Databricks team are just very analytical and system-oriented, even when it comes to people. It's reasonable to expect the early team to have adapted to people management by now, but some of the potential champions of that have left, and the product remains primarily B2B.

frugalmail 4y ago

With all the money they raised, they're treating people like a sinking startup playing these games? Definitely a warning sign.

jacquesm 4y ago
Money raised is only fractionally spent on tech, predominantly it will go to sales, marketing and international expansion.

mfaler 4y ago

Knowing your worth is a big red flag, maybe?

mcv 4y ago
They only want people who will let themselves be exploited. Certainly not people who will stand up for themselves.

krageon 4y ago

This is the attitude of a lot of the large corporation HR teams I've spoken to.

FlyingSnake 4y ago

> They said that I should watch out because there are lots of lay offs happening. They should display some more empathy and should read the situation correctly. A significant portion of the recently laid off people are from HR and recruiting.

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nix23 4y ago

>and that I should watch out because there are lots of lay offs happening. Wow what a nice place, that's the mindset i want from my future employer. A truly nice place for builders i see... ;)

i_have_an_idea 4y ago

> They said if I only care about money I’m not a good fit for their culture of builders As a large corporation, do they care about something else other than money?

ranting-moth 4y ago

A "little toxic?". This is a nuclear bridge burning option from them, for absolutely no reason at all. Instead: "Mr. Cochne, we're sorry that we can't match your salary expectations this time. We do find you a good fit for the company, so please think about us in the future." There. No hard feelings. No burning bridges. Professional. People come and go.

coldtea 4y ago

>They said if I only care about money I’m not a good fit for their culture of builders Run, don't walk away from them...

PedroBatista 4y ago

If money isn't that important, why are they regularly getting VC money for 10 years at something like 40 Billion valuation? The sad reality is this industry is full of assholes, I don't even mean they trying to pay as little as possible, that's "business", I mean unprofessional people who play "good cop, bad cop" and all the childish games they learn on TV movies. Some of them really think they are the "new Steve Jobs", and act like one.

anon7725 4y ago
These are just recruiters, though. It’s a sales job and they have quotas and incentives. Many of them were not in the industry a short time ago and many are now leaving the industry on a rail. Do you expect your car sales guy to be professional? I’d love for that to be the case, but the reality is usually not so.