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I think IRIS² is actually an extension of the EU's GOVSATCOM initiative: https://defence-industry-space.ec.europa.eu/eu-space-policy/eu-space-programme/iriss_e

I think IRIS² is actually an extension of the EU's GOVSATCOM initiative: https://defence-industry-space.ec.europa.eu/eu-space-policy/eu-space-programme/iriss_en https://defence-industry-space.ec.europa.eu/eu-space-policy/... This means it's for government use, and is not really comparable to commercial end user services.

culturestate 4y ago
The release specifically addresses commercial use: > This future satellite constellation infrastructure will allow for synergies with private sector to develop commercial services and provide with high-speed internet and communication in all EU territory, including over isolated regions where terrestrial and broadband connection remain scarce. As does the page you linked: > The system will also allow mass-market applications including mobile and fixed broadband satellite access, satellite trunking for B2B services, satellite access for transportation, reinforced networks by satellite and satellite broadband and cloud-based services.
- arlort 4y ago
  All official releases only mention government use, I think the idea might be to use a government contract to help the industry develop know-how for private use later on
  - culturestate 4y ago
    > All official releases only mention government use... The second quote I pulled above is from an official source[1]. It seems pretty clear to me that it's intended as a dual-use constellation, with government services coming online first and an allotment for commercial services later. One of the two key objectives in the downloadable fact sheet[2] is: > Allow for the provision of commercial services by the private sector, to enable the availability of high-speed broadband and seamless connectivity throughout Europe, removing dead zones. 1. https://defence-industry-space.ec.europa.eu/eu-space-policy/eu-space-programme/iriss_en https://defence-industry-space.ec.europa.eu/eu-space-policy/... 2. https://defence-industry-space.ec.europa.eu/system/files/2023-02/IRIS²_Factsheet%20%28EN%29.pdf https://defence-industry-space.ec.europa.eu/system/files/202...
arlort 4y ago
Yeah, don't know why they posted Renew's page instead of the official press release but here they are: https://defence-industry-space.ec.europa.eu/adoption-european-parliament-iris2-europes-new-infrastructure-resilience-interconnection-security-2023-02-14_en https://defence-industry-space.ec.europa.eu/adoption-europea... https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/STATEMENT_22_6999 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/STATEM...
- gizmo 4y ago
  > IRIS² will be a constellation at the cutting edge of technology, to give Europe a lead, for example in quantum encryption. It will therefore be a vector of innovation. Quantum encryption?? Can anybody explain how this is related to satellites?
  - arlort 4y ago
    Don't know how it's related to the project but I guess they'd want to use the satellites for the quantum key exchange
  - T-A 4y ago
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/arthurherman/2022/10/20/the-quantum-space-race-is-here/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/arthurherman/2022/10/20/the-qua...
  - uoaei 4y ago
    Lots of high-entropy phenomena in space.
  - wyager 4y ago
    You can do QKE via sat-bounce, which is maybe what they're talking about, but this sounds more like clueless hype marketing than something written by an engineer.
    - yencabulator 4y ago
      I'm sure somebody is making good money with the push. Meanwhile, previous proponents like NSA are moving to "post-quantum crypto" (as in, non-quantum crypto that resists attacks by hypothetical quantum computers): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_key_distribution#Deprecation_of_quantum_key_distributions_from_governmental_institutions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_key_distribution#Depre...
hef19898 4y ago
Well, in Europe most palces can be reached either by fibre or 5G relatively easily, it is a quite densly populated cintinent after all. Let's ignore Germany's utter failure to build out fast internet, which is story of its own and totally unrelated to the EU in general.
- solarkraft 4y ago
  Even here it's becoming kind of okay

culturestate 4y ago

The release specifically addresses commercial use: > This future satellite constellation infrastructure will allow for synergies with private sector to develop commercial services and provide with high-speed internet and communication in all EU territory, including over isolated regions where terrestrial and broadband connection remain scarce. As does the page you linked: > The system will also allow mass-market applications including mobile and fixed broadband satellite access, satellite trunking for B2B services, satellite access for transportation, reinforced networks by satellite and satellite broadband and cloud-based services.

arlort 4y ago
All official releases only mention government use, I think the idea might be to use a government contract to help the industry develop know-how for private use later on
- culturestate 4y ago
  > All official releases only mention government use... The second quote I pulled above is from an official source[1]. It seems pretty clear to me that it's intended as a dual-use constellation, with government services coming online first and an allotment for commercial services later. One of the two key objectives in the downloadable fact sheet[2] is: > Allow for the provision of commercial services by the private sector, to enable the availability of high-speed broadband and seamless connectivity throughout Europe, removing dead zones. 1. https://defence-industry-space.ec.europa.eu/eu-space-policy/eu-space-programme/iriss_en https://defence-industry-space.ec.europa.eu/eu-space-policy/... 2. https://defence-industry-space.ec.europa.eu/system/files/2023-02/IRIS²_Factsheet%20%28EN%29.pdf https://defence-industry-space.ec.europa.eu/system/files/202...

arlort 4y ago

Yeah, don't know why they posted Renew's page instead of the official press release but here they are: https://defence-industry-space.ec.europa.eu/adoption-european-parliament-iris2-europes-new-infrastructure-resilience-interconnection-security-2023-02-14_en https://defence-industry-space.ec.europa.eu/adoption-europea... https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/STATEMENT_22_6999 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/STATEM...

gizmo 4y ago
> IRIS² will be a constellation at the cutting edge of technology, to give Europe a lead, for example in quantum encryption. It will therefore be a vector of innovation. Quantum encryption?? Can anybody explain how this is related to satellites?
- arlort 4y ago
  Don't know how it's related to the project but I guess they'd want to use the satellites for the quantum key exchange
- T-A 4y ago
  https://www.forbes.com/sites/arthurherman/2022/10/20/the-quantum-space-race-is-here/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/arthurherman/2022/10/20/the-qua...
- uoaei 4y ago
  Lots of high-entropy phenomena in space.
- wyager 4y ago
  You can do QKE via sat-bounce, which is maybe what they're talking about, but this sounds more like clueless hype marketing than something written by an engineer.
  - yencabulator 4y ago
    I'm sure somebody is making good money with the push. Meanwhile, previous proponents like NSA are moving to "post-quantum crypto" (as in, non-quantum crypto that resists attacks by hypothetical quantum computers): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_key_distribution#Deprecation_of_quantum_key_distributions_from_governmental_institutions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_key_distribution#Depre...

hef19898 4y ago

Well, in Europe most palces can be reached either by fibre or 5G relatively easily, it is a quite densly populated cintinent after all. Let's ignore Germany's utter failure to build out fast internet, which is story of its own and totally unrelated to the EU in general.

solarkraft 4y ago
Even here it's becoming kind of okay