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This situation seems extreme at first but it isn't so far-fetched when you think that the next steps will certainly be to hook AI up to all sorts of devices wit

This situation seems extreme at first but it isn't so far-fetched when you think that the next steps will certainly be to hook AI up to all sorts of devices with physical power, like cars. If you think programmers can contain it, you're naive, although not as naive as the programmers developing it. Pure knowledge (facts) have always outpaced our wisdom to use them and this is going to be an extreme case.

Netcob 4y ago
Not just that, but now apparently when you don't let your most powerful AI use as much data as you can find or if you don't turn it into an effective (not safe, just effective) product fast enough, you lose $100B.
ElfinTrousers 4y ago
> the next steps will certainly be to hook AI up to all sorts of devices with physical power, like cars ...or Predator drones. Sleep tight!
- nradov 4y ago
  That's nothing really new. Depending on how you define the term "AI”, the military has been doing that for years with the Aegis combat system. In certain modes it can automatically detect, classify, and kill targets with no human input.
  - vouaobrasil 4y ago
    We could also say that early life forms that took millenia to evolve are nothing new....bacteria, algae, all seems the same. But fast forward a bit more and life begins to take on a very different form (us).
bjt2n3904 4y ago
Everyone is talking about "when AI is hooked up to things outside the sandbox, or escapes the sandbox" as if it's this future potential problem. AI is already used in selecting resumes, making sentencing guidelines for prisoners, determining what is truthful and what is misinformation on social media, and determining who is at risk for suicidal ideation online and in hospitals. AI has ALREADY escaped the sandbox, is already in charge of life altering decisions, and WE PUT IT THERE.
- vouaobrasil 4y ago
  Yes, you are right. AI is indeed already affecting us in ways we don't really see as obvious. You are right, it has already escaped. Although what we use now is primitive, it can be seen as the proto-AI like amoebas are to us. The scariest part is that 99% of what guides the use of AI is short-term profit, or whether the founders will be able to retire rich. Guidelines today are woefully inadequate, and any guidelines we have seen so far (I have read *all* of OpenAI's so-called "ethical guidelines") make up merely an intellectual fluff designed to appease the confused.
aceazzameen 4y ago
Black hats already have social engineering at their disposal. Being able to social engineer an AI seems like it might be a greater threat than it already is. Possibly because people will naively learn to trust AIs with everything, eventually making them very large single points of failure.
- vouaobrasil 4y ago
  That is a very good point: the complexity that we are building is becoming an ever-larger single point of failure. Bret Weinstein actually made that point in one of his videos, namely that, if we do need to be flexible and change niches as he says, then it will be incredibly difficult to do so due to the extreme dependence we have on the way society is set up. My one wish is that we initiate intense discussion at all levels on the social impliciations, and that hopefully one day these discussions will start to carry weight and temper the profit motive.
  - aceazzameen 4y ago
    There probably will be intense discussions and debate over this. In a way it's already started. However, in the end $$$ will end up driving all of it's decisions. And I'm not optimistic they will be the right ones.

Netcob 4y ago

Not just that, but now apparently when you don't let your most powerful AI use as much data as you can find or if you don't turn it into an effective (not safe, just effective) product fast enough, you lose $100B.

ElfinTrousers 4y ago

> the next steps will certainly be to hook AI up to all sorts of devices with physical power, like cars ...or Predator drones. Sleep tight!

nradov 4y ago
That's nothing really new. Depending on how you define the term "AI”, the military has been doing that for years with the Aegis combat system. In certain modes it can automatically detect, classify, and kill targets with no human input.
- vouaobrasil 4y ago
  We could also say that early life forms that took millenia to evolve are nothing new....bacteria, algae, all seems the same. But fast forward a bit more and life begins to take on a very different form (us).

bjt2n3904 4y ago

Everyone is talking about "when AI is hooked up to things outside the sandbox, or escapes the sandbox" as if it's this future potential problem. AI is already used in selecting resumes, making sentencing guidelines for prisoners, determining what is truthful and what is misinformation on social media, and determining who is at risk for suicidal ideation online and in hospitals. AI has ALREADY escaped the sandbox, is already in charge of life altering decisions, and WE PUT IT THERE.

vouaobrasil 4y ago
Yes, you are right. AI is indeed already affecting us in ways we don't really see as obvious. You are right, it has already escaped. Although what we use now is primitive, it can be seen as the proto-AI like amoebas are to us. The scariest part is that 99% of what guides the use of AI is short-term profit, or whether the founders will be able to retire rich. Guidelines today are woefully inadequate, and any guidelines we have seen so far (I have read *all* of OpenAI's so-called "ethical guidelines") make up merely an intellectual fluff designed to appease the confused.

aceazzameen 4y ago

Black hats already have social engineering at their disposal. Being able to social engineer an AI seems like it might be a greater threat than it already is. Possibly because people will naively learn to trust AIs with everything, eventually making them very large single points of failure.

vouaobrasil 4y ago
That is a very good point: the complexity that we are building is becoming an ever-larger single point of failure. Bret Weinstein actually made that point in one of his videos, namely that, if we do need to be flexible and change niches as he says, then it will be incredibly difficult to do so due to the extreme dependence we have on the way society is set up. My one wish is that we initiate intense discussion at all levels on the social impliciations, and that hopefully one day these discussions will start to carry weight and temper the profit motive.
- aceazzameen 4y ago
  There probably will be intense discussions and debate over this. In a way it's already started. However, in the end $$$ will end up driving all of it's decisions. And I'm not optimistic they will be the right ones.