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We switched from Google to Zoho Workspace last year once they threatened to stop support to the "legacy" users. Comparable service and much less expensive.

JamesAdir 4y ago
+1 for Zoho. They offer a all the services needed at a very convenient pricing.
- CSMastermind 4y ago
  And because of this HN thread I will now be looking into Zoho to see if it's viable for me to migrate to.
  - trvz 4y ago
    - https://techmonitor.ai/technology/cybersecurity/zoho-hack-emmisary-panda-apt-china https://techmonitor.ai/technology/cybersecurity/zoho-hack-em... - https://www.zdnet.com/article/red-cross-traces-hack-back-to-zoho-vulnerability/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/red-cross-traces-hack-back-to-... - https://cybernews.com/news/fintech-breach-following-critical-zoho-flaw/ https://cybernews.com/news/fintech-breach-following-critical... - https://therecord.media/hackers-exploiting-vulnerability-affecting-zoho-manageengine-products-rapid7/ https://therecord.media/hackers-exploiting-vulnerability-aff...
    - JoBrad 4y ago
      Exactly. Zoho offers a slick UI but has a pretty bad record of keeping their products stable and secure.
- iamjkt 4y ago
  The pricing is good, but the experience for mail is poor. I move from Zoho to Fastmail a year later and it’s a much slicker experience. (Just mail, I didn’t use any of Zoho’s collaborative tools.)
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  - DoctorDabadedoo 4y ago
    What are your pain points? I've been using at low volume and while it's not as flashy as gmail, using with something as Thunderbird for the heavy lifting is not too bad.
donmcronald 4y ago
I use Zoho for my personal domains and in a lot of ways I prefer it over Google Workspace and MS365. It feels... pragmatic. I have the most experience with MS365. It's slow and so much configuration is asynchronous that sometimes I feel like I'm dialing in for a non-deterministic adventure.
a1371 4y ago
That hasn't been my experience with ZOHO at all. I used their free service first and then stepped up. Their tools are not great and they really love to sell you multiple licenses to get the basic stuff going. I'm sure people have different needs but I won't be using them again.
partiallypro 4y ago
Zoho is great, if you only need email and basics. O365 and GSuite are still unmatched as a package though. Still think O365 is the best deal (for SMBs+), though it's a bit more.
- IshKebab 4y ago
  Google's office tools are much nicer than Microsoft's web ones. I'd say they even give the desktop versions a run for their money. And Meet is amazing. The only video conferencing system I've used that actually works reliably. I recently moved from a company using Zoom to one using Meet and the difference is insane. Makes a step difference to the quality of remote work. I presume they can do it because Google owns their own global network and they can use high QoS on it for Meet data.
  - partiallypro 4y ago
    As someone who has worked under both in an enterprise environment, I am going to have to strongly disagree. Google's office tools are great if you aren't doing anything worth much of anything, as soon as you need to do something complex it turns into complete garbage. Every company I've worked for that used GSuite has had to also buy Office licenses because Google Docs and Sheets simply couldn't keep up. Google Docs also has a notorious reputation to screw up PDFs and DOCX file formatting. I used to have Google Hangouts/Meet problems all the time, but it was fine, I've never cared for Zoom in general. Google's slide deck program is fine, but that's largely just because...who cares about slides? Most people aren't paying much attention to them, and they are just meeting filler. I do prefer Gmail's interface to Outlook's though. Outlook tries to do too much. It's definitely better than it used to be, but there are some very crucial annoyances.
  - pottertheotter 4y ago
    That's so interesting. We have Workspace at work but we have bought Zoom licenses for several us because we find Meet to be a much worse experience. We're now considering buying Zoom licenses for everyone at the company. I also find Google Sheets to be inferior to Excel, and we have Office licenses for myself and a few others that use spreadsheets. The only thing I think is good with Workspace is Gmail and Calendar. Everything else is kind of meh.

JamesAdir 4y ago

+1 for Zoho. They offer a all the services needed at a very convenient pricing.

CSMastermind 4y ago
And because of this HN thread I will now be looking into Zoho to see if it's viable for me to migrate to.
- trvz 4y ago
  - https://techmonitor.ai/technology/cybersecurity/zoho-hack-emmisary-panda-apt-china https://techmonitor.ai/technology/cybersecurity/zoho-hack-em... - https://www.zdnet.com/article/red-cross-traces-hack-back-to-zoho-vulnerability/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/red-cross-traces-hack-back-to-... - https://cybernews.com/news/fintech-breach-following-critical-zoho-flaw/ https://cybernews.com/news/fintech-breach-following-critical... - https://therecord.media/hackers-exploiting-vulnerability-affecting-zoho-manageengine-products-rapid7/ https://therecord.media/hackers-exploiting-vulnerability-aff...
  - JoBrad 4y ago
    Exactly. Zoho offers a slick UI but has a pretty bad record of keeping their products stable and secure.
iamjkt 4y ago
The pricing is good, but the experience for mail is poor. I move from Zoho to Fastmail a year later and it’s a much slicker experience. (Just mail, I didn’t use any of Zoho’s collaborative tools.)
- deleted 4y ago
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- DoctorDabadedoo 4y ago
  What are your pain points? I've been using at low volume and while it's not as flashy as gmail, using with something as Thunderbird for the heavy lifting is not too bad.

donmcronald 4y ago

I use Zoho for my personal domains and in a lot of ways I prefer it over Google Workspace and MS365. It feels... pragmatic. I have the most experience with MS365. It's slow and so much configuration is asynchronous that sometimes I feel like I'm dialing in for a non-deterministic adventure.

a1371 4y ago

That hasn't been my experience with ZOHO at all. I used their free service first and then stepped up. Their tools are not great and they really love to sell you multiple licenses to get the basic stuff going. I'm sure people have different needs but I won't be using them again.

partiallypro 4y ago

Zoho is great, if you only need email and basics. O365 and GSuite are still unmatched as a package though. Still think O365 is the best deal (for SMBs+), though it's a bit more.

IshKebab 4y ago
Google's office tools are much nicer than Microsoft's web ones. I'd say they even give the desktop versions a run for their money. And Meet is amazing. The only video conferencing system I've used that actually works reliably. I recently moved from a company using Zoom to one using Meet and the difference is insane. Makes a step difference to the quality of remote work. I presume they can do it because Google owns their own global network and they can use high QoS on it for Meet data.
- partiallypro 4y ago
  As someone who has worked under both in an enterprise environment, I am going to have to strongly disagree. Google's office tools are great if you aren't doing anything worth much of anything, as soon as you need to do something complex it turns into complete garbage. Every company I've worked for that used GSuite has had to also buy Office licenses because Google Docs and Sheets simply couldn't keep up. Google Docs also has a notorious reputation to screw up PDFs and DOCX file formatting. I used to have Google Hangouts/Meet problems all the time, but it was fine, I've never cared for Zoom in general. Google's slide deck program is fine, but that's largely just because...who cares about slides? Most people aren't paying much attention to them, and they are just meeting filler. I do prefer Gmail's interface to Outlook's though. Outlook tries to do too much. It's definitely better than it used to be, but there are some very crucial annoyances.
- pottertheotter 4y ago
  That's so interesting. We have Workspace at work but we have bought Zoom licenses for several us because we find Meet to be a much worse experience. We're now considering buying Zoom licenses for everyone at the company. I also find Google Sheets to be inferior to Excel, and we have Office licenses for myself and a few others that use spreadsheets. The only thing I think is good with Workspace is Gmail and Calendar. Everything else is kind of meh.