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An extra $9/mo for: * Simple license management * Organization-wide policy management * Industry-leading private * Corporate proxy support Wow. Who’s going

An extra $9/mo for: * Simple license management * Organization-wide policy management * Industry-leading private * Corporate proxy support Wow. Who’s going to pay a 90% premium for these features? Edit: OK seems like different marketing pages have different features. The list above comes from https://github.com/features/copilot/ https://github.com/features/copilot/. Still seems like a very steep increase over the base. And I cannot believe there are only 400ish companies using copilot.

das_keyboard 4y ago
I think the privacy part would be a big part for some organizations, even if I do not know what this really means or what this implies for the other plans.
tccole 4y ago
9 bucks per developer isn’t that much. I getting a developer to be 5 percent faster is a huge gain for just 9 dollars.
- paxys 4y ago
  Sure, but the harder part is measuring whether the developer is actually 5% faster. Otherwise you can make the same case for every $10/mo subscription service in the world, and so we should all be operating at infinite efficiency.
  - aleph_minus_one 4y ago
    > Sure, but the harder part is measuring whether the developer is actually 5% faster. Otherwise you can make the same case for every $10/mo subscription service in the world, and so we should all be operating at infinite efficiency. After n such iterations, the developer gets 100*(1-0.95^n)% faster. So, after some such $10/month purchases, the developer gets so fast that buying another improvement yields diminishing returns.
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- dx034 4y ago
  Certainly for SV salaries. But $19/month per developer in addition to already existing cost can make a difference for regions with lower salaries.
  - breckenedge 4y ago
    I agree. I can see these AI assistants becoming a game changer and eventually a requirement to keeping up, but the costs will be prohibitive for engineers in many regions.
ch4s3 4y ago
People with corporate compliance departments.
Spooky23 4y ago
If you want to make a conversation awkward, ask your account team about the indemnification for the AI’s potential copyright violations.
- WithinReason 4y ago
  "Notwithstanding any other language in your Agreement, GitHub will defend you against any claim by an unaffiliated third-party that your use of GitHub Copilot misappropriated a trade secret or directly infringes a patent, copyright, trademark, or other intellectual property right of a third party, up to the greater of $500,000.00 USD or the total amount paid to GitHub for the use of GitHub Copilot during the 12 months preceding the claim." From here: https://github.com/customer-terms/github-copilot-product-specific-terms https://github.com/customer-terms/github-copilot-product-spe...
  - fire 4y ago
    the full segment also includes disclaimers on this so it isn't quite as cut and dry: > 4. Defense of Third Party Claims. Notwithstanding any other language in your Agreement, GitHub will defend you against any claim by an unaffiliated third-party that your use of GitHub Copilot misappropriated a trade secret or directly infringes a patent, copyright, trademark, or other intellectual property right of a third party, up to the greater of $500,000.00 USD or the total amount paid to GitHub for the use of GitHub Copilot during the 12 months preceding the claim. GitHub’s defense obligations do not apply if (i) the claim is based on Code that differs from a Suggestion provided by GitHub Copilot, (ii) you fail to follow reasonable software development review practices designed to prevent the intentional or inadvertent use of Code in a way that may violate the intellectual property or other rights of a third party, or (iii) you have not enabled all filtering features available in GitHub Copilot. and as I understand it: • i) means you can't modify copilot suggestions without losing this protection, • ii) isn't actually defined; this might mean they can use it as a crutch to avoid providing protection, • iii) means you aren't protected if you fail to enable settings that are not on by default but in theory allow you to avoid generations that reference "radioactive" licenses like gpl.
Aeolun 4y ago
The price difference is mostly irrelevant to large corporations. The just need that license management.

das_keyboard 4y ago

I think the privacy part would be a big part for some organizations, even if I do not know what this really means or what this implies for the other plans.

tccole 4y ago

9 bucks per developer isn’t that much. I getting a developer to be 5 percent faster is a huge gain for just 9 dollars.

paxys 4y ago
Sure, but the harder part is measuring whether the developer is actually 5% faster. Otherwise you can make the same case for every $10/mo subscription service in the world, and so we should all be operating at infinite efficiency.
- aleph_minus_one 4y ago
  > Sure, but the harder part is measuring whether the developer is actually 5% faster. Otherwise you can make the same case for every $10/mo subscription service in the world, and so we should all be operating at infinite efficiency. After n such iterations, the developer gets 100*(1-0.95^n)% faster. So, after some such $10/month purchases, the developer gets so fast that buying another improvement yields diminishing returns.
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dx034 4y ago
Certainly for SV salaries. But $19/month per developer in addition to already existing cost can make a difference for regions with lower salaries.
- breckenedge 4y ago
  I agree. I can see these AI assistants becoming a game changer and eventually a requirement to keeping up, but the costs will be prohibitive for engineers in many regions.

ch4s3 4y ago

People with corporate compliance departments.

Spooky23 4y ago

If you want to make a conversation awkward, ask your account team about the indemnification for the AI’s potential copyright violations.

WithinReason 4y ago
"Notwithstanding any other language in your Agreement, GitHub will defend you against any claim by an unaffiliated third-party that your use of GitHub Copilot misappropriated a trade secret or directly infringes a patent, copyright, trademark, or other intellectual property right of a third party, up to the greater of $500,000.00 USD or the total amount paid to GitHub for the use of GitHub Copilot during the 12 months preceding the claim." From here: https://github.com/customer-terms/github-copilot-product-specific-terms https://github.com/customer-terms/github-copilot-product-spe...
- fire 4y ago
  the full segment also includes disclaimers on this so it isn't quite as cut and dry: > 4. Defense of Third Party Claims. Notwithstanding any other language in your Agreement, GitHub will defend you against any claim by an unaffiliated third-party that your use of GitHub Copilot misappropriated a trade secret or directly infringes a patent, copyright, trademark, or other intellectual property right of a third party, up to the greater of $500,000.00 USD or the total amount paid to GitHub for the use of GitHub Copilot during the 12 months preceding the claim. GitHub’s defense obligations do not apply if (i) the claim is based on Code that differs from a Suggestion provided by GitHub Copilot, (ii) you fail to follow reasonable software development review practices designed to prevent the intentional or inadvertent use of Code in a way that may violate the intellectual property or other rights of a third party, or (iii) you have not enabled all filtering features available in GitHub Copilot. and as I understand it: • i) means you can't modify copilot suggestions without losing this protection, • ii) isn't actually defined; this might mean they can use it as a crutch to avoid providing protection, • iii) means you aren't protected if you fail to enable settings that are not on by default but in theory allow you to avoid generations that reference "radioactive" licenses like gpl.

Aeolun 4y ago

The price difference is mostly irrelevant to large corporations. The just need that license management.