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The worst part of this is that everyone at GitHub is now forced to use Microsoft Teams.
by roboben 4y ago
The worst part of this is that everyone at GitHub is now forced to use Microsoft Teams.
- xpe 4y agoWorse than losing your job?
- encryptluks2 4y ago[flagged]
- dang 4y agoWe've asked you more than once before not to post flamebait comments to HN. If you keep doing it, we're going to have to ban you. I don't want to ban you, so please don't post like this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- xpe 4y agoPlease explain the relevance of your comment? Also, let's save the National Socialism comparisons for examples involving antisemitism, genocide, and authoritarianism. It is better to have dynamic range in our conversations, otherwise it all gets watered down.
- dan-0 4y agoTeams is horrible, but not nearly as horrible as an argument equating use of Teams to the Holocaust. There's a very big difference between using an app to communicate if you want your job and murder.
- 2devnull 4y agoI’ve always thought of zoom as the national socialist messaging app. Is it the sharepoint integration? That does seem a bit far left.
- ghusto 4y agoFor sure. As somebody said already, at least if you're fired you'll get severance. I'd get nothing when I quit though. Have you _used_ MS Teams? I'm not exactly a fan of Slack, but it's like telepathy by comparison.
- xpe 4y agoI have. It is particularly bad, considering that its technical and UX criteria are not particularly mysterious. Overall, yeah, when corporate policies override reasonable employee productivity, something is off.
- pvarangot 4y agoI would consider taking a pay cut and moving to a cheap suburb and work for the government or a bank before working for a big tech company that uses Teams. I would only use Teams on a small group or some kind of very highly paid consultant gig.
- xpe 4y agoWhat do you prefer, Slack? Something else? I find the whole premise of these kind of chat tools, combined with cultural patterns of using them, to feel like forced distraction.
- iliekcomputers 4y agoHow is this the worst part lmao?
- flappyeagle 4y agoIf I were forced to use teams I would quit. At least if you're laid off you get serverance
- m348e912 4y ago>>If I were forced to use teams I would quit. It's funny to hear this because if I were looking for a job one of the selling points for me would be if they used teams. I'm on it all day, I present and run video meetings on it. I use it on different devices. It's not perfect by any means, but I'm confident that it will do what I need it to do. My only guess is you're on a linux desktop and you don't use an enterprise deployment of teams and perhaps you're using the web version of the client. In that case, yes I feel for you.
- xur17 4y ago> My only guess is you're on a linux desktop and you don't use an enterprise deployment of teams Is there an enterprise deployment of teams that makes it not suck on linux?
- markeibes 4y agoI use it on an M1 Max Macbook Pro and it's the worst piece of software on it.
- flappyeagle 4y agoI'm on an M1 macbook. Teams is extremely bad. I don't know how to describe it tersely other than everything kinda sucks. I work remotely and take a lot of meeting, so it's like my office in a way... an office that's cramped, leaky, ugly, uncomfortable, and cold.
- mrtranscendence 4y agoI use Teams on a relatively modern Intel MacBook Pro. My chief complaint is that it murders my battery -- I barely get two hours when I'm on Teams video calls. But there are other issues. For example, sometimes the window just disappears when it's in the background. When that happens I don't get any notifications, so unless I notice that Teams has bugged out I'll miss when someone tries to contact me. And recently, video has become weirdly bugged -- I see people twitch around like I'm watching a bad horror movie, and sometimes they flash red. No idea what that's about but I can't seem to fix it. It's not going to kill me but it's uncomfortable to watch. More minor, but search is a mess, and notifications aren't great. Other than that I guess it's OK.
- encryptluks2 4y agoAgreed. Probably worse than Teams is Azure, Windows, etc. While things have changed Microsoft would give grief to developers that wanted to run Linux and that was really into open source.
- ledauphin 4y agothis is terrifying. for all the grief people give Slack, I've used both and I would seriously consider leaving a company that expected me to use Teams long term.
- gaoshan 4y agoWe use Teams long term and would give quite a bit to be able to use Slack. At least it's a great tool to focus our negative energies on, lol.
- brmgb 4y agoCall me when Slack allows collaborative editing of powerpoint presentations and excel spreadsheets. I think there is little overlap between the part of the companies which benefit from Teams and the part that wants to use Slack.
- goalieca 4y agoGsuite has the best collaborative editing.
- brazzledazzle 4y agoWhat you don't like collaborating in the excel web app and wiping your coworker's active cell edit from existence by inserting a row somewhere above it? Next you're going to tell me you don't enjoy powerpoint web app randomly changing formatting in bulleted lists when you do something as complex as hitting enter to add a new line. You can tell where Microsoft spent their energies (outlook, teams, maybe onenote?) and which web app products feel just about the same as they did when they were sharepoint web apps.
- matwood 4y ago> were sharepoint web apps ARE still sharepoint apps. At least that's how they feel.
- bleuchase 4y agoThey’re keeping Slack. Zoom is going away.
- roboben 4y agoWhy don’t they use Huddle then?
- flappyeagle 4y agohuddle as a lot of limitations. it's good for random adhoc chats but not good for more formal scheduled meeting. for larger companies, using something zoom-like and huddle makes sense.
- roboben 4y agoMy company does not have many formal scheduled meetings. Mostly doing huddle to adhoc chat, discuss problems, screen share and pair program. It works well
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- sleepybrett 4y agoI dunno what is wrong with huddles but when i screenshare with huddle my cpu goes crazy. screensharing with zoom, no serious performance issue.
- can16358p 4y agoI love Slack but Huddle is absolutely terrible. Extremely low audio quality with extreme latency (whereas I have superb quality and low latency on Meet and Zoom on same devices/connections).
- reidjs 4y agoI’ve never had an issue with it, and found the video quality to be better than Meet, but about on par with zoom
- focom 4y agoThe worst about teams is that they still haven't implemented a corrected markdown editor. Its a pain to copy code into it
- rightbyte 4y agoWhat is even worse is that when you copy code from it it might introduce no break spaces that wont show upp in a code diff but e.g. break your server config.
- bmy78 4y agoTeams is the result of Microsoft taking a look at Slack and saying, how can we make this feel more like Excel?
- roboben 4y agoInternal code name was Slack360
- graphe 4y agoBecause when you saw it you walked 360 degrees away
- albrewer 4y agoAs a teenager circa 2007, I would troll in World of Warcraft's Trade chat with a variant of this joke.
- lostmsu 4y ago360 is a full circle, e.g. you'd turn right back toward it.
- peteradio 4y ago360 degrees away? Why don't you try this and see how far you get. Look at something now turn a full circle (360 degrees) and start walking, become amazed that whatever you were looking at is now closer.
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- kerpotgh 4y agoTeams isn’t that bad imo. It’s no Google meet but it’s decent enough. I prefer both of those over Zoom.
- agilob 4y agoI know I'm in the minority here, but I choose Teams over Slack any day. I much prefer thread-based chat than message based chat. Teams forces people to use top message as a topic, then respond to messages under that topic. Slack message is just a message. You want to search something on Teams, you get full threads, chat is part of documentation. You want to find something on Slack, you need to click on date of the related message and hope no one wrote any off-topic messages underneath. I often felt like Teams could replace unofficial documentation and most Confluence pages. Screen sharing, reminders about meetings are also better in Teams. Ability to add people to "direct message channels" is definitely lacking in Slack. No I don't want to convert this chat with 3 people into a channel, FO. I want to add 3rd person.
- aliqot 4y agoteams search is ass.
- barbazoo 4y ago> I much prefer thread-based chat than message based chat. Teams forces people to use top message as a topic, then respond to messages under that topic. Slack message is just a message. Slack has threads: https://slack.com/help/articles/115000769927-Use-threads-to-organize-discussions- https://slack.com/help/articles/115000769927-Use-threads-to-...
- dijit 4y agoI tried Zulip with the rust community and it completely ruined slacks “threads” for me. Its the equivalent between a pot noodle and a steak dinner. Zulip has a lot of other issues though, the app and on-boarding… but I really struggle to enjoy slack now. teams, however, is a total dumpster fire for serious communication outside of video meetings and some minor ad-hoc 1:1 interactions.
- radicalbyte 4y agoCrashing constantly and being a resource hog killed Slack for me. That and DMs being visible to whoever pays.
- rubyron 4y agoMaybe the 10% quit over that, and they spun it as layoffs.
- meese712 4y agoCould be worse, could be Google Chat
- colpabar 4y agoor wickr!
- gamblor956 4y agoAt work I use Zoom, Slack, Teams, Google Meet and even Blue Jeans (due to dealing with multiple legal entities acquired over time that each use their own communications platform.) Teams is the perfect middleground: it's not particularly good at anything but it's not bad at anything either, and it can do everything. Slack is as good for text-based communication as it is bad at video communications (we've never gotten Huddle working properly). Google Meet is adequate at video calls, but has suffered serious degradation in terms of functionality over the past year that makes us question Google's commitment to it going forward. Zoom is great for video meetings, doesn't do anything else. Blue Jeans is like Zoom, but expensive and it requires its own special hardware, but its buttery smooth and stable as a rock.
- dathinab 4y agooh have fun, I have to use it at work and it's a lot of trouble all the time no matter which platform you ran it on. One tip: Avoid the Linux version and use the chrome browser version instead. Wrt. most aspects the Linux version is the browser version but less updated and more buggy (no idea why tho, it's an electron app, it could be automatically always up to date/auto release a update every day/week). Still even then there are funny bugs like we pretty much every week someone who has problem with a random teams bug, not specific or more often on any version/OS. Like the chat icon randomly missing or screen sharing/video hanging for one person until they leave and re-enter the call. And thats with the most minimal usage of Teams only for video calls, i.e. not chat and no fancy setting. Oh and the Office365/Teams SSO is so inconsistent that it looks like a MITM attack from time to time, well except that a MITM attack probably would work more friction-less.
- theowawayteams 4y agoI used Skype 15y ago it's a great experience. Recently tried to install teams on Ubuntu it's absolutely shit show, so many url redirects and meaningless erros. Leaving skype as it's would have been a million times better
- pwarner 4y agoNo one at Microsoft uses Teams, they just use email.
- Bjorkbat 4y agoCall me crazy, but I think that it's premature to think that Microsoft's days of bungling acquisitions are over. They probably will manage to ruin Github, the catch being that it'll happen over a much longer timescale. Really should have seen that when Atom fell to the sidelines in favor of VS Code. Admittedly though, I don't see myself using Gitlab anytime soon, if not indefinitely. What makes Github special, arguably, is that it looks less "businessy" and more fun and social. Another reason why I think the ruination of Github will happen over a longer timescale. Any competitors will likely try to focus on trying to be different (i.e. Gitlab's focus on open source and dev ops) rather than try to focus on on what made Github special and do it better than Microsoft could ever hope to do. EDIT: just to clarify, this comment relates because forcing teams to use products developed in-house erodes team culture. It's an attempt at assimilation.
- margorczynski 4y agoFor Microsoft I guess the next natural step would be some kind of project management software package like JIRA - well integrated with GitHub, Teams, etc. I'm not really sure how much more space for innovation there is when it comes to git web services. What kind of killer feature would trump GitHub?
- ragebol 4y agoMaybe they get annoyed enough to make it not annoying to use anymore. Putting it lightly..
- __derek__ 4y agoSentiments like this should probably temper the ChatGPT/Bing hype.
- yread 4y agoTeams is not so bad. People only use it if there is no other way and no one is sending animated stuff or memes on it..Much better than Slack in that regard
- jesuspiece 4y agoThey've always been remote first anyway, I wonder why waste the money
- BoorishBears 4y agoDozens of comments about Slack vs Teams and not one person realized it's only being used to cut their Zoom bill: "We will be moving to Microsoft Teams for the sole purpose of video conferencing"
- bfrog 4y agoWithout a workable native linux client, sounds amazing
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- hodgesrm 4y ago> The worst part of this is that everyone at GitHub is now forced to use Microsoft Teams. On the plus side it means that some people will welcome a layoff with severance.