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> where they can not leave. unlike a prison, you're free to leave the job.

by chii 4y ago

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komali2 4y ago
To an extent, sure, but this is wildly variable based on personal circumstance. I know plenty of people working 2 jobs and simply don't have time to find a replacement for one. With wages at record lows, that also means if they lose one for any reason, it's not like a little breaky break while they find another, it means something on their extremely narrow budget gets the axe for that week or whatever. Usually healthcare, sometimes food. Sometimes rent, at which point if you don't have a friend's couch to crash on, you're homeless, and then it's astronomically harder to find a job. You are well and truly fucked. So not everyone is "free to leave the job." BTW I don't know the OP but the word I was going to drop in was not prison, it was slavery. Edit: to clarify wages at record lows, I mean for the people working minimum wage or around there. Inflation and cost of living combined to make their real buying power lower than ever.
- sokoloff 4y ago
  It will vary by country, I’m sure, but wages overall are not at record lows (nor anywhere near that) in the US broadly, and SWE salaries in particular are near record highs in all of the SWE markets worldwide that we hire in.
re-thc 4y ago
To be in another job? Still cannot leave. It's the equivalent of changing prison cells.
- silveraxe93 4y ago
  Of course. Having a job is comparable to being in prison. By those standards every single human to ever live has been in prison. Humanity will only be free once we're in a post-scarcity society.
  - andai 4y ago
    While "freedom from labor" might be just around the corner (AGI, basic income etc.), there's still a lot of wiggle room between "confined to a specific chair for 8 hours" and "can spend all day snoozing on the beach" ! To put it another way, there are ways to make money that spark more or less joy, and much of this variation is possible even for "regular folks" working "regular jobs". But most of that possibility space is yet unexplored. Not sure whose fault that is, but I am reminded of the quote, "the opposite of courage in this country is not cowardice, it is conformity." Most people just do what everyone else is doing (i.e. the 80% who are dissatisfied with their work) and then wonder why they are dissatisfied with their work.
    - pmoriarty 4y ago
      > "freedom from labor" might be just around the corner (AGI, basic income etc.) What use will the wealthy and powerful have for the unproductive masses after robots can do all their work for them? Is more likely that strong AI and robots will be used to ever more effectively control and oppress most of humanity than help or free them.
      - CatWChainsaw 4y ago
        No matter how many times this is repeated, it never seems to sink in. Talk about Intelligence and Wisdom stats being way unbalanced.
  - siva7 4y ago
    GTP will free us finally. I'm serious about that.
    - RugnirViking 4y ago
      what is GTP?
  - goodpoint 4y ago
    > Of course. Having a job is comparable to being in prison. https://wikidiff.com/simile/comparison https://wikidiff.com/simile/comparison
- jamespo 4y ago
  Start up your own business
- andsoitis 4y ago
  this line of argument doesn’t make sense. you’re complaining that having a job is like being imprisoned. if you feel so strongly about it, you should be an entrepreneur. know that it comes with other tradeoffs you may not prefer.
optional_value 4y ago
you are free to choose your prison, yes
- DrThunder 4y ago
  You are free to go without money and have no obligations. However, you are not free to force others to pay for you to do that; and that's what you're asking for.

> where they can not leave. unlike a prison, you're free to leave the job.

by chii 4y ago

> where they can not leave. unlike a prison, you're free to leave the job.

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komali2 4y ago

To an extent, sure, but this is wildly variable based on personal circumstance. I know plenty of people working 2 jobs and simply don't have time to find a replacement for one. With wages at record lows, that also means if they lose one for any reason, it's not like a little breaky break while they find another, it means something on their extremely narrow budget gets the axe for that week or whatever. Usually healthcare, sometimes food. Sometimes rent, at which point if you don't have a friend's couch to crash on, you're homeless, and then it's astronomically harder to find a job. You are well and truly fucked. So not everyone is "free to leave the job." BTW I don't know the OP but the word I was going to drop in was not prison, it was slavery. Edit: to clarify wages at record lows, I mean for the people working minimum wage or around there. Inflation and cost of living combined to make their real buying power lower than ever.

sokoloff 4y ago
It will vary by country, I’m sure, but wages overall are not at record lows (nor anywhere near that) in the US broadly, and SWE salaries in particular are near record highs in all of the SWE markets worldwide that we hire in.

re-thc 4y ago

To be in another job? Still cannot leave. It's the equivalent of changing prison cells.

silveraxe93 4y ago
Of course. Having a job is comparable to being in prison. By those standards every single human to ever live has been in prison. Humanity will only be free once we're in a post-scarcity society.
- andai 4y ago
  While "freedom from labor" might be just around the corner (AGI, basic income etc.), there's still a lot of wiggle room between "confined to a specific chair for 8 hours" and "can spend all day snoozing on the beach" ! To put it another way, there are ways to make money that spark more or less joy, and much of this variation is possible even for "regular folks" working "regular jobs". But most of that possibility space is yet unexplored. Not sure whose fault that is, but I am reminded of the quote, "the opposite of courage in this country is not cowardice, it is conformity." Most people just do what everyone else is doing (i.e. the 80% who are dissatisfied with their work) and then wonder why they are dissatisfied with their work.
  - pmoriarty 4y ago
    > "freedom from labor" might be just around the corner (AGI, basic income etc.) What use will the wealthy and powerful have for the unproductive masses after robots can do all their work for them? Is more likely that strong AI and robots will be used to ever more effectively control and oppress most of humanity than help or free them.
    - CatWChainsaw 4y ago
      No matter how many times this is repeated, it never seems to sink in. Talk about Intelligence and Wisdom stats being way unbalanced.
- siva7 4y ago
  GTP will free us finally. I'm serious about that.
  - RugnirViking 4y ago
    what is GTP?
- goodpoint 4y ago
  > Of course. Having a job is comparable to being in prison. https://wikidiff.com/simile/comparison https://wikidiff.com/simile/comparison
jamespo 4y ago
Start up your own business
andsoitis 4y ago
this line of argument doesn’t make sense. you’re complaining that having a job is like being imprisoned. if you feel so strongly about it, you should be an entrepreneur. know that it comes with other tradeoffs you may not prefer.

optional_value 4y ago

you are free to choose your prison, yes

DrThunder 4y ago
You are free to go without money and have no obligations. However, you are not free to force others to pay for you to do that; and that's what you're asking for.