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Because most people don’t like to be told to be in a certain place for a certain amount of time from where they can not leave. There’s another name for this sit

Because most people don’t like to be told to be in a certain place for a certain amount of time from where they can not leave. There’s another name for this situation.

chii 4y ago
> where they can not leave. unlike a prison, you're free to leave the job.
- deleted 4y ago
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- komali2 4y ago
  To an extent, sure, but this is wildly variable based on personal circumstance. I know plenty of people working 2 jobs and simply don't have time to find a replacement for one. With wages at record lows, that also means if they lose one for any reason, it's not like a little breaky break while they find another, it means something on their extremely narrow budget gets the axe for that week or whatever. Usually healthcare, sometimes food. Sometimes rent, at which point if you don't have a friend's couch to crash on, you're homeless, and then it's astronomically harder to find a job. You are well and truly fucked. So not everyone is "free to leave the job." BTW I don't know the OP but the word I was going to drop in was not prison, it was slavery. Edit: to clarify wages at record lows, I mean for the people working minimum wage or around there. Inflation and cost of living combined to make their real buying power lower than ever.
  - sokoloff 4y ago
    It will vary by country, I’m sure, but wages overall are not at record lows (nor anywhere near that) in the US broadly, and SWE salaries in particular are near record highs in all of the SWE markets worldwide that we hire in.
- re-thc 4y ago
  To be in another job? Still cannot leave. It's the equivalent of changing prison cells.
  - silveraxe93 4y ago
    Of course. Having a job is comparable to being in prison. By those standards every single human to ever live has been in prison. Humanity will only be free once we're in a post-scarcity society.
    - andai 4y ago
      While "freedom from labor" might be just around the corner (AGI, basic income etc.), there's still a lot of wiggle room between "confined to a specific chair for 8 hours" and "can spend all day snoozing on the beach" ! To put it another way, there are ways to make money that spark more or less joy, and much of this variation is possible even for "regular folks" working "regular jobs". But most of that possibility space is yet unexplored. Not sure whose fault that is, but I am reminded of the quote, "the opposite of courage in this country is not cowardice, it is conformity." Most people just do what everyone else is doing (i.e. the 80% who are dissatisfied with their work) and then wonder why they are dissatisfied with their work.
      - pmoriarty 4y ago
        > "freedom from labor" might be just around the corner (AGI, basic income etc.) What use will the wealthy and powerful have for the unproductive masses after robots can do all their work for them? Is more likely that strong AI and robots will be used to ever more effectively control and oppress most of humanity than help or free them.
        CatWChainsaw 4y ago
        No matter how many times this is repeated, it never seems to sink in. Talk about Intelligence and Wisdom stats being way unbalanced.
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- optional_value 4y ago
  you are free to choose your prison, yes
  - DrThunder 4y ago
    You are free to go without money and have no obligations. However, you are not free to force others to pay for you to do that; and that's what you're asking for.
DrThunder 4y ago
I can get paid a salary more than most of the world makes and go home to my family at night if I'm a prisoner? Sign me up! What your argument boils down to is everyone else needs to do the stuff that keeps you alive (grow food, keep your power plant running, emergency services, treat your water) while you sit at home and scroll through TikTok. Sounds just a tad elitist to me. You get paid to do a certain thing and if that thing requires you to be somewhere at a certain (like EVERY job) then you will be there at that time. I wish I had Superman powers and was essentially immortal, but that's no more realistic than you thinking you ought to be able to do whatever you want while still getting paid to do a job and think that's sustainable for an entire society. Alternatively, you could start your own business and make your own schedule. However, it's not going to go so well for you with the current attitude you've got. Most likely you're going to have to do things when you don't want to do them if you want your business to succeed.

Because most people don’t like to be told to be in a certain place for a certain amount of time from where they can not leave. There’s another name for this situation.

chii 4y ago

> where they can not leave. unlike a prison, you're free to leave the job.

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komali2 4y ago
To an extent, sure, but this is wildly variable based on personal circumstance. I know plenty of people working 2 jobs and simply don't have time to find a replacement for one. With wages at record lows, that also means if they lose one for any reason, it's not like a little breaky break while they find another, it means something on their extremely narrow budget gets the axe for that week or whatever. Usually healthcare, sometimes food. Sometimes rent, at which point if you don't have a friend's couch to crash on, you're homeless, and then it's astronomically harder to find a job. You are well and truly fucked. So not everyone is "free to leave the job." BTW I don't know the OP but the word I was going to drop in was not prison, it was slavery. Edit: to clarify wages at record lows, I mean for the people working minimum wage or around there. Inflation and cost of living combined to make their real buying power lower than ever.
- sokoloff 4y ago
  It will vary by country, I’m sure, but wages overall are not at record lows (nor anywhere near that) in the US broadly, and SWE salaries in particular are near record highs in all of the SWE markets worldwide that we hire in.
re-thc 4y ago
To be in another job? Still cannot leave. It's the equivalent of changing prison cells.
- silveraxe93 4y ago
  Of course. Having a job is comparable to being in prison. By those standards every single human to ever live has been in prison. Humanity will only be free once we're in a post-scarcity society.
  - andai 4y ago
    While "freedom from labor" might be just around the corner (AGI, basic income etc.), there's still a lot of wiggle room between "confined to a specific chair for 8 hours" and "can spend all day snoozing on the beach" ! To put it another way, there are ways to make money that spark more or less joy, and much of this variation is possible even for "regular folks" working "regular jobs". But most of that possibility space is yet unexplored. Not sure whose fault that is, but I am reminded of the quote, "the opposite of courage in this country is not cowardice, it is conformity." Most people just do what everyone else is doing (i.e. the 80% who are dissatisfied with their work) and then wonder why they are dissatisfied with their work.
    - pmoriarty 4y ago
      > "freedom from labor" might be just around the corner (AGI, basic income etc.) What use will the wealthy and powerful have for the unproductive masses after robots can do all their work for them? Is more likely that strong AI and robots will be used to ever more effectively control and oppress most of humanity than help or free them.
      - CatWChainsaw 4y ago
        No matter how many times this is repeated, it never seems to sink in. Talk about Intelligence and Wisdom stats being way unbalanced.
  - 4y ago
optional_value 4y ago
you are free to choose your prison, yes
- DrThunder 4y ago
  You are free to go without money and have no obligations. However, you are not free to force others to pay for you to do that; and that's what you're asking for.

DrThunder 4y ago

I can get paid a salary more than most of the world makes and go home to my family at night if I'm a prisoner? Sign me up! What your argument boils down to is everyone else needs to do the stuff that keeps you alive (grow food, keep your power plant running, emergency services, treat your water) while you sit at home and scroll through TikTok. Sounds just a tad elitist to me. You get paid to do a certain thing and if that thing requires you to be somewhere at a certain (like EVERY job) then you will be there at that time. I wish I had Superman powers and was essentially immortal, but that's no more realistic than you thinking you ought to be able to do whatever you want while still getting paid to do a job and think that's sustainable for an entire society. Alternatively, you could start your own business and make your own schedule. However, it's not going to go so well for you with the current attitude you've got. Most likely you're going to have to do things when you don't want to do them if you want your business to succeed.