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It's framed as a gift in order to manipulate the negotiating position. The fact is both employer and employee benefit from it, but if the employer can emphasize

It's framed as a gift in order to manipulate the negotiating position. The fact is both employer and employee benefit from it, but if the employer can emphasize the benefits to the employee they can extract a bit of value from the relationship.

Extra_Leaf 4y ago
They can also hire the employee as a contractor and don't have to pay benefits like insurance.
camillomiller 4y ago
Although framing it as a gift isn’t implicitly an admission that going to the office sucks, and therefore sparing you from the dread should be seen as a negotiating value?
- regularfry 4y ago
  Less negotiating value, more table stakes. If every offer you're applying for is remote, no individual company benefits over any other by offering it.
pjerem 4y ago
You can easily defuse the argument though. As a candidate, you can say that remote working is a trade off you are willing to accept because of your interest for the job. You don’t even have to lie but you can just act like you don’t care about working remotely or not (which, in my personal case, is just the truth).
- Jcampuzano2 4y ago
  To be honest, you can easily diffuse the argument even if you do care about working remotely. Simply put, make it known immediately that you will reject the job offer if it is not full remote, no questions asked. On my end, no "extra" amount of money they'd be willing to offer for coming into the office will sway me and many others. There simply is no argument, I will not work for you and will go with another option if working remotely is not possible. If my job changes from work remote to not after accepting, I will not come in, and will look for new opportunities. I've seen a lot of places play the game of accepting remote workers but then the CEO or someone announces back to office which is why I put the additional point there as well.
mettamage 4y ago
IMO in today's culture it is a gift. It's a gift in the sense that most companies aren't willing to do it. My quality of life being a digital nomad because of it (+ 4 days a week instead of 5) has shot up drastically.
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- lordnacho 4y ago
  It's also a gift to the company. They take less time and money to hire an employee, because there's more people in the hiring pool.

Extra_Leaf 4y ago

They can also hire the employee as a contractor and don't have to pay benefits like insurance.

camillomiller 4y ago

Although framing it as a gift isn’t implicitly an admission that going to the office sucks, and therefore sparing you from the dread should be seen as a negotiating value?

regularfry 4y ago
Less negotiating value, more table stakes. If every offer you're applying for is remote, no individual company benefits over any other by offering it.

pjerem 4y ago

You can easily defuse the argument though. As a candidate, you can say that remote working is a trade off you are willing to accept because of your interest for the job. You don’t even have to lie but you can just act like you don’t care about working remotely or not (which, in my personal case, is just the truth).

Jcampuzano2 4y ago
To be honest, you can easily diffuse the argument even if you do care about working remotely. Simply put, make it known immediately that you will reject the job offer if it is not full remote, no questions asked. On my end, no "extra" amount of money they'd be willing to offer for coming into the office will sway me and many others. There simply is no argument, I will not work for you and will go with another option if working remotely is not possible. If my job changes from work remote to not after accepting, I will not come in, and will look for new opportunities. I've seen a lot of places play the game of accepting remote workers but then the CEO or someone announces back to office which is why I put the additional point there as well.

mettamage 4y ago

IMO in today's culture it is a gift. It's a gift in the sense that most companies aren't willing to do it. My quality of life being a digital nomad because of it (+ 4 days a week instead of 5) has shot up drastically.

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lordnacho 4y ago
It's also a gift to the company. They take less time and money to hire an employee, because there's more people in the hiring pool.