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Surely it already has. Not consistently and repeatably, and not quite under the conditions Turing proposed, but still, in a way that's rather spectacular when

by retrac 4y ago

Surely it already has. Not consistently and repeatably, and not quite under the conditions Turing proposed, but still, in a way that's rather spectacular when it happens. Last year gave us this news story: "The Google engineer who thinks the company’s AI has come to life". [1] It's not that hard today to find someone who has chatted with a language model and come out with the impression it is a person. The Replika e-friend service is in this grey area, too. People have claimed to fall in love with their virtual friends. I see no reason to doubt their claims. And I think doing that requires projecting human-like qualities on the AI it does not have. I.e., being convinced on some level it really is a person. Though I'm sure some might disagree with that interpretation. Are these systems not, in effect, passing the Turing Test? At least with some people? Based on my use of ChatGPT, I believe I personally could be fooled for a significant amount of time, by a system along those lines, one designed to be a little more informal and conversational, with fewer taboo areas. I worry a bit that this will become widespread. That many people will become convinced AIs are sentient thinking beings, because they're just so incredibly good at pretending to be. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/06/11/google-ai-lamda-blake-lemoine/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/06/11/google-...

clipsy 4y ago
> Surely it already has. Not consistently and repeatably, and not quite under the conditions Turing proposed That seems like a long winded way of saying it hasn’t passed. The details are quite important in the actual Turing test; if the standard was fooling anyone at any time, then even ELIZA could pass the Turing test.
- bko 4y ago
  Turing said: > I believe that in about fifty years’ time it will be possible to programme computers, with a storage capacity of about 109, to make them play the imitation game so well that an average interrogator will not have more than 70 percent chance of making the right identification after five minutes of questioning. … I believe that at the end of the century the use of words and general educated opinion will have altered so much that one will be able to speak of machines thinking without expecting to be contradicted. The standard is more than 70% odds of detecting a fake. If you did below 50% it would be weird because if you were more likely to think a robot is a human than an actual human, you'd just flip your prediction and be above 50% https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/turing-test/ https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/turing-test/
ilaksh 4y ago
A lot of people have been fooled by ChatGPT and similar language models like at character.ai or at least to the point where they have a lot of doubts about their own judgement, including me.

by retrac 4y ago

clipsy 4y ago

> Surely it already has. Not consistently and repeatably, and not quite under the conditions Turing proposed That seems like a long winded way of saying it hasn’t passed. The details are quite important in the actual Turing test; if the standard was fooling anyone at any time, then even ELIZA could pass the Turing test.

bko 4y ago
Turing said: > I believe that in about fifty years’ time it will be possible to programme computers, with a storage capacity of about 109, to make them play the imitation game so well that an average interrogator will not have more than 70 percent chance of making the right identification after five minutes of questioning. … I believe that at the end of the century the use of words and general educated opinion will have altered so much that one will be able to speak of machines thinking without expecting to be contradicted. The standard is more than 70% odds of detecting a fake. If you did below 50% it would be weird because if you were more likely to think a robot is a human than an actual human, you'd just flip your prediction and be above 50% https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/turing-test/ https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/turing-test/

ilaksh 4y ago

A lot of people have been fooled by ChatGPT and similar language models like at character.ai or at least to the point where they have a lot of doubts about their own judgement, including me.