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Start with rinsing your dishes and try not to eat out. https://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749(22)01477-4/fulltext https://www.jacionline.org/article/S00

by marl0 4y ago

Start with rinsing your dishes and try not to eat out. https://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749(22)01477-4/fulltext https://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749(22)01477-4/ful... Detergents, preservatives, pesticides and low quality ingredients are all great examples of things you can cut out eating at home. While we don't seem to have enough data to point to each one of them individually, it seems pretty common sense these are the new contributing factors in our environment.

j-bos 4y ago
I understand it's not best practice to ask, but could those who downvoted this comment reply with their reasons why?
- deleted 4y ago
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- Retric 4y ago
  The linked post doesn’t support their conclusion. This rapid increase is especially puzzling because the rate of colorectal cancer has plummeted among older adults—largely due to regular colonoscopies and lower rates of smoking. “We don’t understand a lot about the causes, the biology, or how to prevent early onset of the disease,” said Phil Daschner, a program director in NCI’s Division of Cancer Biology. “And that’s important to learn more about because it may affect [approaches for] the treatment and survivorship of early-onset colon cancer.”
- kelnos 4y ago
  Because the linked research does not support the point the poster is making. The researchers did not find a link with dishwasher detergents. They found a link with rinse aids, but at quantities and concentrations far higher than you'd find in a dishwasher. Also, I think we should all be skeptical of someone who says, essentially, "Don't want colorectal cancer? Rinse your dishes and don't eat at restaurants!" Such a simple explanation for colorectal cancer seems suspicious... at best.
RobertRoberts 4y ago
This comment is on track, and it's amazing that it's gotten a single down-vote. Though I would de-prioritize "rinse your dishes" and say the food we eat is more of the issue. Is there some logical reason you would down vote without any explanation or counter argument?
- Supermancho 4y ago
  The cited paper is not sufficient to explain the dramatic rise. It would have been seen much earlier (since the 50s) that the trend was obvious. Putting forth "just do X" is a low effort post. It has a paper, which is something, but it's far from definitive, although it's phrased as such. I'm sure someone thought the same as me, but they thought clicking the down button was the correct response. I don't agree, but I understand that not everyone is put together before the coffee kicks in. I have had 2 quarter-coin sized growths removed from my colon. The underlying cause is undiagnosed. They were not cancerous, by analysis. I believe the growths started in Washington State 6ish years ago and black mold was a contributor, with other factors. Growths have not returned.
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  - Animatronio 4y ago
    Black mold contributing to colon growths? Now that's something I'd like to read more about! Do you have a link to a study?
    - Supermancho 4y ago
      It's theorized that the fungus (which was everywhere in buildings I spent time in) created ulcers or disrupted ulcers, allowing the underlying cause to take hold. Re: Gastrointestinal aspergillosis
      - Animatronio 4y ago
m0llusk 4y ago
Lectins, specifically gluten, are strongly associated with IBS. Many people have found relief from IBS by reducing or eliminating lectins in their diet, especially gluten. It is worth pointing out that wheat is an extremely common ingredient nowadays, but most of the wheat we grow and eat is no longer the traditional emmer or einkorn but a dwarf hybrid that among other differences produces extreme amounts of gluten.
- jakewins 4y ago
  This seems exactly inversed? Emmer contains twice as much gluten as modern wheat according to this summary paper of chemical composition, see table 3: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Anna-Zaparenko/publication/342907942_INVESTIGATION_OF_THE_TECHNOLOGICAL_PROPERTIES_OF_EMMER_FLOUR/links/62ebf94e88b83e7320ab25b4/INVESTIGATION-OF-THE-TECHNOLOGICAL-PROPERTIES-OF-EMMER-FLOUR.pdf?origin=publication_detail https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Anna-Zaparenko/publicat...
  - adrian_b 4y ago
    While most emmer varieties have indeed more gluten than the hexaploid wheat, the varieties described in the article quoted by you have, as written in the article, between 30% and 40% more gluten. Nowhere in this article an emmer with twice more gluten is mentioned.
- hinkley 4y ago
  GF support groups are full of tales from people who were able to eat wheat in Europe but not NA. What they don't tell you about wheat very often is that people figured out that if you defoliate a wheat plant, it will shove its remaining calories into the developing seeds and then die. You can control the maturity of a wheat field by spraying it with RoundUp late in the season. So where the reality versus PR for the decay rate of RoundUp in the environment leaves a very long safety margin with early season and pre-emergent uses of the stuff, whatever you sprayed a matter of weeks before harvest very much matters on variance between fields and between customer and manufacturer. We may be feeding ourselves RoundUp here.
jakewins 4y ago
Isn’t that article contradicting your point? They weren’t able to find any effect for dish detergent, and the effect they did find for rinse aids was not present at the concentrations used in residential dishwashers?
- cameldrv 4y ago
  I just checked, and my detergent (Finish Quantum) has alcohol ethoxylates in it. I wonder if with newer high efficiency dishwashers that use less water, this stuff isn't getting rinsed off as well.
  - theGnuMe 4y ago
    Always run the extra rinse and sanitize cycle
    - WithinReason 4y ago
      That uses rinse aid, which is the problem.
      - EForEndeavour 4y ago
        Not if you grew up in a household that never used "rinse aid" and never thought to look up what the little clear plastic window on the inside of dishwasher doors is for!
        Gigachad 4y ago
        I stopped refilling mine after reading this research and noticed no difference in my dishes after washing. Really seems like a pointless extra step.
      - za3faran 4y ago
        You can put vinegar instead, right?
- 4y ago
more_corn 4y ago
Wait we’re supposed to avoid soap now? Wtf
- ZyanWu 4y ago
  We're supposed to avoid eating it
  - brookst 4y ago
    NOW you tell me?
Alex3917 4y ago
Of course a lot of the hottest new experimental cancer therapies are also pesticides, e.g. artemisinins and annonaceous acetogenins.
HPVadvisory 4y ago
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by marl0 4y ago

j-bos 4y ago

I understand it's not best practice to ask, but could those who downvoted this comment reply with their reasons why?

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Retric 4y ago
The linked post doesn’t support their conclusion. This rapid increase is especially puzzling because the rate of colorectal cancer has plummeted among older adults—largely due to regular colonoscopies and lower rates of smoking. “We don’t understand a lot about the causes, the biology, or how to prevent early onset of the disease,” said Phil Daschner, a program director in NCI’s Division of Cancer Biology. “And that’s important to learn more about because it may affect [approaches for] the treatment and survivorship of early-onset colon cancer.”
kelnos 4y ago
Because the linked research does not support the point the poster is making. The researchers did not find a link with dishwasher detergents. They found a link with rinse aids, but at quantities and concentrations far higher than you'd find in a dishwasher. Also, I think we should all be skeptical of someone who says, essentially, "Don't want colorectal cancer? Rinse your dishes and don't eat at restaurants!" Such a simple explanation for colorectal cancer seems suspicious... at best.

RobertRoberts 4y ago

This comment is on track, and it's amazing that it's gotten a single down-vote. Though I would de-prioritize "rinse your dishes" and say the food we eat is more of the issue. Is there some logical reason you would down vote without any explanation or counter argument?

Supermancho 4y ago
The cited paper is not sufficient to explain the dramatic rise. It would have been seen much earlier (since the 50s) that the trend was obvious. Putting forth "just do X" is a low effort post. It has a paper, which is something, but it's far from definitive, although it's phrased as such. I'm sure someone thought the same as me, but they thought clicking the down button was the correct response. I don't agree, but I understand that not everyone is put together before the coffee kicks in. I have had 2 quarter-coin sized growths removed from my colon. The underlying cause is undiagnosed. They were not cancerous, by analysis. I believe the growths started in Washington State 6ish years ago and black mold was a contributor, with other factors. Growths have not returned.
- HPVadvisory 4y ago
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- Animatronio 4y ago
  Black mold contributing to colon growths? Now that's something I'd like to read more about! Do you have a link to a study?
  - Supermancho 4y ago
    It's theorized that the fungus (which was everywhere in buildings I spent time in) created ulcers or disrupted ulcers, allowing the underlying cause to take hold. Re: Gastrointestinal aspergillosis
    - Animatronio 4y ago

m0llusk 4y ago

Lectins, specifically gluten, are strongly associated with IBS. Many people have found relief from IBS by reducing or eliminating lectins in their diet, especially gluten. It is worth pointing out that wheat is an extremely common ingredient nowadays, but most of the wheat we grow and eat is no longer the traditional emmer or einkorn but a dwarf hybrid that among other differences produces extreme amounts of gluten.

jakewins 4y ago
This seems exactly inversed? Emmer contains twice as much gluten as modern wheat according to this summary paper of chemical composition, see table 3: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Anna-Zaparenko/publication/342907942_INVESTIGATION_OF_THE_TECHNOLOGICAL_PROPERTIES_OF_EMMER_FLOUR/links/62ebf94e88b83e7320ab25b4/INVESTIGATION-OF-THE-TECHNOLOGICAL-PROPERTIES-OF-EMMER-FLOUR.pdf?origin=publication_detail https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Anna-Zaparenko/publicat...
- adrian_b 4y ago
  While most emmer varieties have indeed more gluten than the hexaploid wheat, the varieties described in the article quoted by you have, as written in the article, between 30% and 40% more gluten. Nowhere in this article an emmer with twice more gluten is mentioned.
hinkley 4y ago
GF support groups are full of tales from people who were able to eat wheat in Europe but not NA. What they don't tell you about wheat very often is that people figured out that if you defoliate a wheat plant, it will shove its remaining calories into the developing seeds and then die. You can control the maturity of a wheat field by spraying it with RoundUp late in the season. So where the reality versus PR for the decay rate of RoundUp in the environment leaves a very long safety margin with early season and pre-emergent uses of the stuff, whatever you sprayed a matter of weeks before harvest very much matters on variance between fields and between customer and manufacturer. We may be feeding ourselves RoundUp here.

jakewins 4y ago

Isn’t that article contradicting your point? They weren’t able to find any effect for dish detergent, and the effect they did find for rinse aids was not present at the concentrations used in residential dishwashers?

cameldrv 4y ago
I just checked, and my detergent (Finish Quantum) has alcohol ethoxylates in it. I wonder if with newer high efficiency dishwashers that use less water, this stuff isn't getting rinsed off as well.
- theGnuMe 4y ago
  Always run the extra rinse and sanitize cycle
  - WithinReason 4y ago
    That uses rinse aid, which is the problem.
    - EForEndeavour 4y ago
      Not if you grew up in a household that never used "rinse aid" and never thought to look up what the little clear plastic window on the inside of dishwasher doors is for!
      - Gigachad 4y ago
        I stopped refilling mine after reading this research and noticed no difference in my dishes after washing. Really seems like a pointless extra step.
    - za3faran 4y ago
      You can put vinegar instead, right?
4y ago

more_corn 4y ago

Wait we’re supposed to avoid soap now? Wtf

ZyanWu 4y ago
We're supposed to avoid eating it
- brookst 4y ago
  NOW you tell me?

Alex3917 4y ago

Of course a lot of the hottest new experimental cancer therapies are also pesticides, e.g. artemisinins and annonaceous acetogenins.

HPVadvisory 4y ago

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