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Also, at least on the Disney blu-ray releases, there were some notable differences between the English dub and the English subtitles. The most glaring one I eve

Also, at least on the Disney blu-ray releases, there were some notable differences between the English dub and the English subtitles. The most glaring one I ever saw was in Porco Rosso when Curtis says he's from Alabama in the subtitles but from Texas in the dub. The Japanese voice acting is also usually way superior, even though they hire quality actors for the dubs. For example, Gillian Anderson is a great actress but she doesn't do the character of Moro (in Princess Mononoke) justice, especially compared to the Japanese VA (Akihiro Miwa). See their voices compared at 4:19 https://youtu.be/1X4RWYsDs8A https://youtu.be/1X4RWYsDs8A

TremendousJudge 4y ago
afaik the English dub literally changes the ending of Kiki's Delivery Service
- mytailorisrich 4y ago
  There are a lot of differences between the English and Japanese audio in Kiki. For instance, there are more silent periods in the original Japanese version, whereas in the (American) English version they almost stereotypically cannot stop talking. So it seems there was some cultural adaptation beyond simple translation.
  - SECProto 4y ago
    > There are a lot of difference between the English and Japanese audio in Kiki Definitely. Jiji (the cat) has a totally different character if you listen to the dub vs the original Japanese. One of the few instances where I prefer the dub... but I think it's just because I watched it that way as a child. This article [1] is convincing me to go back and give the Japanese audio another try. [1] https://www.otaquest.com/anime-kikis-delivery-service/ https://www.otaquest.com/anime-kikis-delivery-service/
    - mcphage 4y ago
      Another layer for this—Kiki's Delivery Service was originally a book series. As far as I am aware, only the first was ever translated into English, and it was translated twice. The second time somewhat recently, and should still be easy to find. There are quite a lot of differences between the two, and you can really see how Miyazaki focused the plot of the movie on what he considered the most important aspect. But in the books, Kiki never loses her ability to converse with Jiji (at least not by the end of the first book; I don't know what happens in later books). Anyway: if you like the movie, I would recommend tracking down the book. Some of the movie's scenes are lifted directly, but (as always) there's scenes I would have loved to see show up in the movie that didn't.
    - LastMuel 4y ago
      > One of the few instances where I prefer the dub... Phil really does a great job.
- thaumasiotes 4y ago
  > the English dub literally changes the ending of Kiki's Delivery Service True, but that is a rare case where the dub is making a gigantic improvement.
  - mlindner 4y ago
    Improvements is a relative term when it comes to art and story telling.
    - frutiger 4y ago
      > Improvements is a relative term when it comes to art and story telling. Improvement is a relative term in all contexts by definition.
mttjj 4y ago
I think if you watch Pom Poko[1] with the dub, you're watching a completely different movie. > Prominent scrotums are an integral part of tanuki folklore, and they are shown and referred to throughout the film, and also used frequently in their shape-shifting. This remains unchanged in the DVD release, though the English dub (but not the subtitles) refers to them as "raccoon pouches". [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pom_Poko https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pom_Poko
mcphage 4y ago
> Also, at least on the Disney blu-ray releases, there were some notable differences between the English dub and the English subtitles. Some or all of them have 2 different English subtitle tracks — "English" and "English for the Hearing Impaired". For reasons I don't understand in the slightest, they sometimes differ. English for the Hearing Impaired is the one that matches the English Dub.
- slim 4y ago
  Dubbing imposes constraints on translation, you have to chose words that look alike when lip syncing. Sometimes dubbing is more like a creative translation, different from original text
js2 4y ago
Complete tangent: Last year I watched Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown (1988), a fairly amusing Spanish farce (Almodóvar, so, you know). In the movie some of the characters play voice actors dubbing an American movie to Spanish and I wondered, what movie is that? The movie they were dubbing is Johnny Guitar (1954). Which is how I came to discover a film that's now well in my top 10.
- harry8 4y ago
  Maybe don't try that for the voice acting scene in "Jesus of Montreal"
echelon 4y ago
Neil Gaiman changed Kaya from Ashitaka's romantic partner to younger sister. He also inserted a fart joke into a moment that didn't deserve it. The dub is above average, but the original with subs is the best way to watch the film. Mononoke Hime is still in my top 25 films. If you haven't seen it, please treat yourself. I think it's far better than Sen to Chihiro / Spirited Away. (FWIW, I bought the domain for Miramax's original marketing page and kept it online: http://princess-mononoke.com http://princess-mononoke.com)
- Aeolun 4y ago
  Who is Kaya, and in what part of the movie does Ashitaka have a romantic partner?
  - bentley 4y ago
    Kaya is the girl at the beginning who meets with Ashitaka secretly after he’s been banished from the village, and gives him the necklace as a memento.
    - Aeolun 4y ago
      Ooh, I never realized that! Thanks.

TremendousJudge 4y ago

afaik the English dub literally changes the ending of Kiki's Delivery Service

mytailorisrich 4y ago
There are a lot of differences between the English and Japanese audio in Kiki. For instance, there are more silent periods in the original Japanese version, whereas in the (American) English version they almost stereotypically cannot stop talking. So it seems there was some cultural adaptation beyond simple translation.
- SECProto 4y ago
  > There are a lot of difference between the English and Japanese audio in Kiki Definitely. Jiji (the cat) has a totally different character if you listen to the dub vs the original Japanese. One of the few instances where I prefer the dub... but I think it's just because I watched it that way as a child. This article [1] is convincing me to go back and give the Japanese audio another try. [1] https://www.otaquest.com/anime-kikis-delivery-service/ https://www.otaquest.com/anime-kikis-delivery-service/
  - mcphage 4y ago
    Another layer for this—Kiki's Delivery Service was originally a book series. As far as I am aware, only the first was ever translated into English, and it was translated twice. The second time somewhat recently, and should still be easy to find. There are quite a lot of differences between the two, and you can really see how Miyazaki focused the plot of the movie on what he considered the most important aspect. But in the books, Kiki never loses her ability to converse with Jiji (at least not by the end of the first book; I don't know what happens in later books). Anyway: if you like the movie, I would recommend tracking down the book. Some of the movie's scenes are lifted directly, but (as always) there's scenes I would have loved to see show up in the movie that didn't.
  - LastMuel 4y ago
    > One of the few instances where I prefer the dub... Phil really does a great job.
thaumasiotes 4y ago
> the English dub literally changes the ending of Kiki's Delivery Service True, but that is a rare case where the dub is making a gigantic improvement.
- mlindner 4y ago
  Improvements is a relative term when it comes to art and story telling.
  - frutiger 4y ago
    > Improvements is a relative term when it comes to art and story telling. Improvement is a relative term in all contexts by definition.

mttjj 4y ago

I think if you watch Pom Poko[1] with the dub, you're watching a completely different movie. > Prominent scrotums are an integral part of tanuki folklore, and they are shown and referred to throughout the film, and also used frequently in their shape-shifting. This remains unchanged in the DVD release, though the English dub (but not the subtitles) refers to them as "raccoon pouches". [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pom_Poko https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pom_Poko

mcphage 4y ago

> Also, at least on the Disney blu-ray releases, there were some notable differences between the English dub and the English subtitles. Some or all of them have 2 different English subtitle tracks — "English" and "English for the Hearing Impaired". For reasons I don't understand in the slightest, they sometimes differ. English for the Hearing Impaired is the one that matches the English Dub.

slim 4y ago
Dubbing imposes constraints on translation, you have to chose words that look alike when lip syncing. Sometimes dubbing is more like a creative translation, different from original text

js2 4y ago

Complete tangent: Last year I watched Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown (1988), a fairly amusing Spanish farce (Almodóvar, so, you know). In the movie some of the characters play voice actors dubbing an American movie to Spanish and I wondered, what movie is that? The movie they were dubbing is Johnny Guitar (1954). Which is how I came to discover a film that's now well in my top 10.

harry8 4y ago
Maybe don't try that for the voice acting scene in "Jesus of Montreal"

echelon 4y ago

Neil Gaiman changed Kaya from Ashitaka's romantic partner to younger sister. He also inserted a fart joke into a moment that didn't deserve it. The dub is above average, but the original with subs is the best way to watch the film. Mononoke Hime is still in my top 25 films. If you haven't seen it, please treat yourself. I think it's far better than Sen to Chihiro / Spirited Away. (FWIW, I bought the domain for Miramax's original marketing page and kept it online: http://princess-mononoke.com http://princess-mononoke.com)

Aeolun 4y ago
Who is Kaya, and in what part of the movie does Ashitaka have a romantic partner?
- bentley 4y ago
  Kaya is the girl at the beginning who meets with Ashitaka secretly after he’s been banished from the village, and gives him the necklace as a memento.
  - Aeolun 4y ago
    Ooh, I never realized that! Thanks.