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Would turning one off be murder? Or does that only apply to deletion?

by e12e 4y ago

lizzardbraind 4y ago
There will probably be a gig economy, where you can pay spot rates for an idle Frank that could get a page and need to leave at any time. Or maybe they'll handle things like call centers and 911 dispatch in their spare time.
nullc 4y ago
If people could be turned off and back on without harming them (beyond the downtime) doing so without consent would be a very different crime than murder.
- unsupp0rted 4y ago
  Perhaps or perhaps not. Turning off a person for long enough and thus depriving them of the chance to live in their own time with their existing family and friends is comparable to murder. It isn't murder, but it's comparable. At some point Picard in Star Trek says to an alien "We're not qualified to be your judges. We have no law to fit your crime". Turning off a person for a while and then turning them back on? We don't even have a law to fit your crime... but we should and it's probably quite similar to murder.
  - nullc 4y ago
    I think I don't agree simply because the irreversibility of murder is so central to it. For example, if I attack you and injure you so severely that you are hospitalized and in traction for months, but eventually fully recover -- that is a serious crime but it is distinct and less serious than murder. Turning you off for the same duration would be more like that but without the suffering and potential for lasting physical damage, so I would think that it would be even less serious.
    - idle_zealot 4y ago
      I think we actually do have something of a comparison we can draw here. It'd be like kidnapping a person and inducing a coma through drugs. With the extra wrinkle that the person in question doesn't age, and so isn't deprived of some of their lifespan. Still a very serious crime.
      - unsupp0rted 4y ago
        Plus everybody else does age, so the damage done isn't just depriving them of freedom, it's depriving them after they wake up of the life they knew. Some functional equivalent of the death of personality, to the degree personality is context-dependent (which it is). Now me: I'd love to get into a safe stasis pod and come out 200 years from now. I'd take that deal today. But for most people this would be a grievous injury.
        jamiek88 4y ago
        I suspect on this site of all sites there’d be a line for that pod. I’ll bring donuts.

Would turning one off be murder? Or does that only apply to deletion?

by e12e 4y ago

Would turning one off be murder? Or does that only apply to deletion?

There will probably be a gig economy, where you can pay spot rates for an idle Frank that could get a page and need to leave at any time. Or maybe they'll handle things like call centers and 911 dispatch in their spare time.

nullc 4y ago

If people could be turned off and back on without harming them (beyond the downtime) doing so without consent would be a very different crime than murder.

unsupp0rted 4y ago
Perhaps or perhaps not. Turning off a person for long enough and thus depriving them of the chance to live in their own time with their existing family and friends is comparable to murder. It isn't murder, but it's comparable. At some point Picard in Star Trek says to an alien "We're not qualified to be your judges. We have no law to fit your crime". Turning off a person for a while and then turning them back on? We don't even have a law to fit your crime... but we should and it's probably quite similar to murder.
- nullc 4y ago
  I think I don't agree simply because the irreversibility of murder is so central to it. For example, if I attack you and injure you so severely that you are hospitalized and in traction for months, but eventually fully recover -- that is a serious crime but it is distinct and less serious than murder. Turning you off for the same duration would be more like that but without the suffering and potential for lasting physical damage, so I would think that it would be even less serious.
  - idle_zealot 4y ago
    I think we actually do have something of a comparison we can draw here. It'd be like kidnapping a person and inducing a coma through drugs. With the extra wrinkle that the person in question doesn't age, and so isn't deprived of some of their lifespan. Still a very serious crime.
    - unsupp0rted 4y ago
      Plus everybody else does age, so the damage done isn't just depriving them of freedom, it's depriving them after they wake up of the life they knew. Some functional equivalent of the death of personality, to the degree personality is context-dependent (which it is). Now me: I'd love to get into a safe stasis pod and come out 200 years from now. I'd take that deal today. But for most people this would be a grievous injury.
      - jamiek88 4y ago
        I suspect on this site of all sites there’d be a line for that pod. I’ll bring donuts.