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> like 8 MiG's "four Soviet MiGs" (from the linked headline) > back in the 40's "On a cold November day in 1952" (linked article, paragraph 2) > a guy "Roy

> like 8 MiG's "four Soviet MiGs" (from the linked headline) > back in the 40's "On a cold November day in 1952" (linked article, paragraph 2) > a guy "Royce Williams" (linked article, literally the first two words), Navy Cross recipient and former US Navy pilot, not 'some guy'. What kind of hasty carelessness causes you to share a link to a story, embellish it with details, but just screw up on key facts? Including, I might add, the rather significant difference in implication between a US pilot shooting down MiGs in the 1940s, when the Soviet Union was either an ally or a peacetime enemy, vs. the 1950s, when the Korean War happened.

carabiner 4y ago
yeah 1940s lol... US and USSR were allies then. This is not Historian News.
- iso1631 4y ago
  "From Stettin in the Baltic, to Trieste in the Adriatic, an iron curtain has descended across the continent" That was 1946 and the start of the cold war
  - jameshart 4y ago
    And if the US had started shooting down MiGs in the next couple of years after that the cold war would not have remained cold very long.
- LarryMullins 4y ago
  If you want to get particular, the Berlin Blockade/Airlift was in the 40s. The Cold War started in the late 40s.
sillysaurusx 4y ago
Ok, I'll be more careful. The answer is "I just woke up."
- hotpockets 4y ago
  It was 70-80 years ago and you were off by about 2 years. Inconsequential. It makes zero difference to the meat of the story exactly how man Migs were shot down. The precise number is not the story. You didn't say 'some guy' you said 'a guy', which has a different connotation.
  - ohyoutravel 4y ago
    2000 and 2002 were just two years apart, inconsequential [to world politics and the state of the world].
    - ggm 4y ago
      2018 and 2020 were just two years apart, and no significant difference in the world economy or health indicators took place across the interval. (/not)
      - marcosdumay 4y ago
        Hum... Was 2001 so long ago that people already forgot it happened? The GP is saying the same thing as you.
        ggm 4y ago
        I suspect the HN cohort increasingly has people not born then. I had a mortgage during the 17-27% interest years of the eighties. I think about that when people kibbitz about inflation these days.
  - jameshart 4y ago
    But getting this stuff wrong takes more effort than just copying the actual facts from the article you are providing a link to! And just referring to a person who is named and credentialed in the article as 'a guy' just seems like throwing a layer of extra carelessness on top. I just can't fathom how someone accomplishes this. If there's one thing I try to encourage people to do in online discourse in general, it's to recognize that you don't have to guess. You have time to go look up the facts. Things are knowable, you don't have to vaguely gesture in the direction of the truth. And in this case the op had the source right there! They must have googled up the link and opened the page and copied the URL! The facts were right there, in the next tab!

carabiner 4y ago

yeah 1940s lol... US and USSR were allies then. This is not Historian News.

iso1631 4y ago
"From Stettin in the Baltic, to Trieste in the Adriatic, an iron curtain has descended across the continent" That was 1946 and the start of the cold war
- jameshart 4y ago
  And if the US had started shooting down MiGs in the next couple of years after that the cold war would not have remained cold very long.
LarryMullins 4y ago
If you want to get particular, the Berlin Blockade/Airlift was in the 40s. The Cold War started in the late 40s.

sillysaurusx 4y ago

Ok, I'll be more careful. The answer is "I just woke up."

hotpockets 4y ago
It was 70-80 years ago and you were off by about 2 years. Inconsequential. It makes zero difference to the meat of the story exactly how man Migs were shot down. The precise number is not the story. You didn't say 'some guy' you said 'a guy', which has a different connotation.
- ohyoutravel 4y ago
  2000 and 2002 were just two years apart, inconsequential [to world politics and the state of the world].
  - ggm 4y ago
    2018 and 2020 were just two years apart, and no significant difference in the world economy or health indicators took place across the interval. (/not)
    - marcosdumay 4y ago
      Hum... Was 2001 so long ago that people already forgot it happened? The GP is saying the same thing as you.
      - ggm 4y ago
        I suspect the HN cohort increasingly has people not born then. I had a mortgage during the 17-27% interest years of the eighties. I think about that when people kibbitz about inflation these days.
- jameshart 4y ago
  But getting this stuff wrong takes more effort than just copying the actual facts from the article you are providing a link to! And just referring to a person who is named and credentialed in the article as 'a guy' just seems like throwing a layer of extra carelessness on top. I just can't fathom how someone accomplishes this. If there's one thing I try to encourage people to do in online discourse in general, it's to recognize that you don't have to guess. You have time to go look up the facts. Things are knowable, you don't have to vaguely gesture in the direction of the truth. And in this case the op had the source right there! They must have googled up the link and opened the page and copied the URL! The facts were right there, in the next tab!