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Perhaps a much better question is ‘how do you plan on making money from people who plan on making money from ChatGPT?’

by thom 4y ago

ge96 4y ago
You make courses
- mtmail 4y ago
  Or a marketplace to share prompts (actually exists, I saw a Show HN).
- open-source-ux 4y ago
  Use ChatGPT to assist write or plan a course from 50-80% (or more) is likely a popular option. Create a syllabus for learning [insert subject] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVxy1QDYapQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVxy1QDYapQ
raducu 4y ago
As someone not familiar with ChatGPT APIs -- what would prevent Open Ai to do to their customers what Amazon does to independent sellers on Amazon -- that is look over their sales numbers and just copy the products that work, but you know, actually use a private model that works event better than the original product?
- btheshoe 4y ago
  Openai is a bunch of scientists. And their product is not exactly unique - all the major cloud vendors will have a chatgpt available soon. So openai won't copy for the same reason AWS can't copy all of its customers - presumably the ppl building the product are better at building that product than, like, a room full of scientists.
  - tyre 4y ago
    Sam Altman is not a scientist.
- JamesBarney 4y ago
  OpenAI and Amazon are two very different companies. Some companies are aggregators that focus on doing a bunch of things like Microsoft or Amazon. Others focus very heavily on doing one thing well like Netflix. And I think OpenAI is the latter type of company as opposed to the former. Granted many companies start off as the first and transition to the second type of company but OpenAI is so far away from that you'll probably have a good 10-20 year run before that.
- dielll 4y ago
  Same reason Amazon Prime doesn't work as good as Netflix yet Netflix is hosted on AWS
  - MagicMoonlight 4y ago
    The platform works as well as netflix, it’s the licencing of content which is different
  - ElevenLathe 4y ago
    IMO Prime Video is a lot nicer than Netflix. Prime typically has almost any combination of audio/subtitle languages that I want. Netflix typically has only North American languages (English,Spanish,French), and usually only as /either/ subtitles /or/ a new audio track. I'm working on my Polish (because my wife is Polish) and my wife is working on her Spanish (because she's studying it as a hobby) and we frequently watch Prime shows with Polish "lektor" (it's not dubbing, just a guy interpreting the characters' English, which you can still hear) and Spanish audio, or vice versa. On Netflix we can usually find Spanish subs or Spanish dubs -- rarely both, and Polish anything even more rarely (even for shows that are natively in Polish!).
teekert 4y ago
Just convince some people and ask them to convince some people and let some of the money flow back to you. This will form a triangle shape and the income may be quite substantial at least when you’re in early.
- return_to_monke 4y ago
  that's amazing! this could be called something like a ... pyramid pattern? what do you think?
  - teekert 4y ago
    It sounds familiar right? A foolproof way to monetize hype…
kossTKR 4y ago
Yeah personally i don't get the optimism until something as good as ChatGPT is not just in the hands of OpenAI / Google etc. And when that happens a version 5 or 6 will probably pretty much wipe 80%+ of the white collar workforce including your job. If V4 is just a medium leap, a V5 or 6 will easily take your job. It's time to be a cook, a carpenter or a nurse. Personally i have multiple startup projects i'm worried about AI will be able to do easily in 2-5 years, and i can't really think of any projects anymore where that isn't the case? There's almost something bizarre about the bell curve where IT has been so highly paid and progressed so much that developments are now making the sector potentially eat itself in the long run. Is this crazy thinking? I hope it is!
- JohnFen 4y ago
  I don't think we're anywhere close to actual AI that could do those things.
- imtringued 4y ago
  It is because I used chatgpt yesterday for programming and other than for providing me with a grails style scaffold to out my customizations into I don't see any value. Writing prompts and reading the wrong or incomplete code is harder than typing code. The only thing it saves you is this initial moment where you literally have no idea how to get started. Also, cooking and carpentry have been automated already. I don't know why this pattern keeps repeating. ChatGPT is a language model which means it is good at manipulating language. It generates text and since programs are text, therefore it makes "programmers" redundant because programmers just generate text. That is the kind of logic that you are using. As I said above, if you just treat AI as a human language to code compiler then your source code is the words you put into the AI and now you need to pay the cost of getting the prompt that solves your particular problem. So now you have cost of prompt writing + X% failure chance multiplied by the cost of writing code yourself Vs cost of writing code yourself and again I am just talking about writing text. I do more things than just write text, like almost any software developer out there
- Felkomo 4y ago
  There are plenty of other arguments to make: While it's already surprisingly good and useful, it still is often not good enough. And we could hit a celling faster than we hope. And more interesting: just because a lot of people know about it and are able to use it, there are so so much more people who actually don't. Look on how a lot of companies still struggle with it or digitalization.
invisiblerobot 4y ago
Yup. In a gold rush, sell shovels.
lee101 4y ago
I'm doing this with https://text-generator.io https://text-generator.io OpenAI is fairly pricy and has heaps of gaps, some of which text-generator.io also solves like image and link analysis. Also does speech to text

Perhaps a much better question is ‘how do you plan on making money from people who plan on making money from ChatGPT?’

by thom 4y ago

Perhaps a much better question is ‘how do you plan on making money from people who plan on making money from ChatGPT?’

ge96 4y ago

You make courses

mtmail 4y ago
Or a marketplace to share prompts (actually exists, I saw a Show HN).
open-source-ux 4y ago
Use ChatGPT to assist write or plan a course from 50-80% (or more) is likely a popular option. Create a syllabus for learning [insert subject] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVxy1QDYapQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVxy1QDYapQ

raducu 4y ago

As someone not familiar with ChatGPT APIs -- what would prevent Open Ai to do to their customers what Amazon does to independent sellers on Amazon -- that is look over their sales numbers and just copy the products that work, but you know, actually use a private model that works event better than the original product?

btheshoe 4y ago
Openai is a bunch of scientists. And their product is not exactly unique - all the major cloud vendors will have a chatgpt available soon. So openai won't copy for the same reason AWS can't copy all of its customers - presumably the ppl building the product are better at building that product than, like, a room full of scientists.
- tyre 4y ago
  Sam Altman is not a scientist.
JamesBarney 4y ago
OpenAI and Amazon are two very different companies. Some companies are aggregators that focus on doing a bunch of things like Microsoft or Amazon. Others focus very heavily on doing one thing well like Netflix. And I think OpenAI is the latter type of company as opposed to the former. Granted many companies start off as the first and transition to the second type of company but OpenAI is so far away from that you'll probably have a good 10-20 year run before that.
dielll 4y ago
Same reason Amazon Prime doesn't work as good as Netflix yet Netflix is hosted on AWS
- MagicMoonlight 4y ago
  The platform works as well as netflix, it’s the licencing of content which is different
- ElevenLathe 4y ago
  IMO Prime Video is a lot nicer than Netflix. Prime typically has almost any combination of audio/subtitle languages that I want. Netflix typically has only North American languages (English,Spanish,French), and usually only as /either/ subtitles /or/ a new audio track. I'm working on my Polish (because my wife is Polish) and my wife is working on her Spanish (because she's studying it as a hobby) and we frequently watch Prime shows with Polish "lektor" (it's not dubbing, just a guy interpreting the characters' English, which you can still hear) and Spanish audio, or vice versa. On Netflix we can usually find Spanish subs or Spanish dubs -- rarely both, and Polish anything even more rarely (even for shows that are natively in Polish!).

teekert 4y ago

Just convince some people and ask them to convince some people and let some of the money flow back to you. This will form a triangle shape and the income may be quite substantial at least when you’re in early.

return_to_monke 4y ago
that's amazing! this could be called something like a ... pyramid pattern? what do you think?
- teekert 4y ago
  It sounds familiar right? A foolproof way to monetize hype…

kossTKR 4y ago

Yeah personally i don't get the optimism until something as good as ChatGPT is not just in the hands of OpenAI / Google etc. And when that happens a version 5 or 6 will probably pretty much wipe 80%+ of the white collar workforce including your job. If V4 is just a medium leap, a V5 or 6 will easily take your job. It's time to be a cook, a carpenter or a nurse. Personally i have multiple startup projects i'm worried about AI will be able to do easily in 2-5 years, and i can't really think of any projects anymore where that isn't the case? There's almost something bizarre about the bell curve where IT has been so highly paid and progressed so much that developments are now making the sector potentially eat itself in the long run. Is this crazy thinking? I hope it is!

JohnFen 4y ago
I don't think we're anywhere close to actual AI that could do those things.
imtringued 4y ago
It is because I used chatgpt yesterday for programming and other than for providing me with a grails style scaffold to out my customizations into I don't see any value. Writing prompts and reading the wrong or incomplete code is harder than typing code. The only thing it saves you is this initial moment where you literally have no idea how to get started. Also, cooking and carpentry have been automated already. I don't know why this pattern keeps repeating. ChatGPT is a language model which means it is good at manipulating language. It generates text and since programs are text, therefore it makes "programmers" redundant because programmers just generate text. That is the kind of logic that you are using. As I said above, if you just treat AI as a human language to code compiler then your source code is the words you put into the AI and now you need to pay the cost of getting the prompt that solves your particular problem. So now you have cost of prompt writing + X% failure chance multiplied by the cost of writing code yourself Vs cost of writing code yourself and again I am just talking about writing text. I do more things than just write text, like almost any software developer out there
Felkomo 4y ago
There are plenty of other arguments to make: While it's already surprisingly good and useful, it still is often not good enough. And we could hit a celling faster than we hope. And more interesting: just because a lot of people know about it and are able to use it, there are so so much more people who actually don't. Look on how a lot of companies still struggle with it or digitalization.

invisiblerobot 4y ago

Yup. In a gold rush, sell shovels.

lee101 4y ago

I'm doing this with https://text-generator.io https://text-generator.io OpenAI is fairly pricy and has heaps of gaps, some of which text-generator.io also solves like image and link analysis. Also does speech to text