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No they aren’t. I know plenty of people who won’t go back to work at any price.

by scarface74 4y ago

nonethewiser 4y ago
How can they afford that?
- scarface74 4y ago
  - close to retirement already - spouses who work and they didn’t need the extra money. I have no idea why people think this is so outrageous.
  - ThrowawayTestr 4y ago
    It's a tiny number of people to the point of being irrelevant to the conversation.
    - scarface74 4y ago
      You mean on a discussion thread about “Where have all American workers gone”? That kind of is the discussion…
      - mway 4y ago
        I think the point is that, while it may be empirically relevant to you, it is statistically irrelevant in general. The overwhelming number of families do not benefit from tech incomes, and actually do require more than one person to contribute to the household income.
        scarface74 4y ago
        Census.gov seems to have a different opinion https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2022/09/did-covid-19-change-retirement-timing.html https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2022/09/did-covid-19-...
    - hirako2000 4y ago
      Tiny number? Let me put a bit of context. At least a decade long debate about gender roles and other other related issues has been going on and only intensified, imo given the one sided politically correct stance adopted even by those who deep inside disagree with it has something to do with it. A lot of separated, divorced couples, who remain alone, but that still leaves millions who likely are sharing a place having the option to reject employment, rely on one source of income and get by. Which may very well be a far better spot to be in than seeing oneself exhausted, poorly taken care of personal matters and still no flowery prospect anyway. That is not a tiny numbers and is totally relevant to the discussion since the article goes on and on about some figures but provides nada convincing insight about the natures of the changes we are subtly but surely observing. The social aspects are gladly omitted to focus on numbers as if people were hungry state machines operating on dollar to effort/time spent only. Note: not saying women better not work. Given the nature of jobs it's often perfectly interchangeable and who earns more is likely to be the determinant. At least for couples who are not well off. Those who can opt for the lower income without significant impact to their life style would likely take certain factors in such as the appeal of being able to be a house-huseband and see their partner stressed out to make bucks vs taking that chore off them in exchange of theirs. In either case that's 1 count of off the labour market that's on the table for every two people in a home sharing relationship in the united states. I would go as far as saying that the precarity many women were put through lately made them twist their mind about singleship and turned to getting in a relationship in order to leave employment altogerher. Even this count wouldn't be so tiny to be discounted, and it's not like surveys will capture the figures.
  - scruple 4y ago
    I only have anecdotes but you're describing ~half of my aunts and uncles here. All retired, pushing into their 60s and 70s. The most extreme example being an uncle who was a PhD Chemist in automotive paints his entire career spent with the same employer and who has a slightly-over 6-figure annual pension. Before COVID-19 he was a door greeter and stocked shelves at a grocery store in the city where he lives. Now? Watches television all day.
maphew 4y ago
How do these people pay for their necessities? (Honest question)
- scarface74 4y ago
  - married people whose spouse makes enough where they didn’t have to work and they did it for fun money (like - people close to retirement and who said “fuck it” I’ e got more important things to do.
Supermancho 4y ago
> I know plenty of people who won’t go back to work at any price The statement you made is both badly phrased and irrelevant. What you meant is that you know people who wont go back to a previous job for any wage, which is so absurd (and baseless) that it's effectively noise.
- scarface74 4y ago
  How is that baseless? Do you know how many people work part time just for “fun money” And sone people wouldn’t go back to a previous job at any wage. If you left Twitter and Elon Musk called you personally and offered to double your compensation, would you take him up on the offer?
  - ThrowawayTestr 4y ago
    A tiny fraction of the number of people that work to eat.
    - scarface74 4y ago
      In the school system in particular, there are plenty of older people who work in the cafeteria, bus drivers, etc who did it because they just wanted to supplement their retirement or wanted fun money. A lot of them said forget it after Covid. Both for health reasons and lifestyle reasons. And you didn’t answer the question - is there any amount of money you could be offered to work at Twitter?
      - EddieDante 4y ago
        > And you didn’t answer the question - is there any amount of money you could be offered to work at Twitter? I'd do it for $1024/hour on a 1099 contract with guaranteed time and a half for overtime. As for the question in the headline: my wife lost her job just before COVID. She hasn't been back to work since because I make more than enough for both of us and by not working we were able to get rid of a car, cut various expenses in half, and have more time together since I was working from home. We went from DINK to SINK: single income, no kids.

No they aren’t. I know plenty of people who won’t go back to work at any price.

nonethewiser 4y ago

How can they afford that?

scarface74 4y ago
- close to retirement already - spouses who work and they didn’t need the extra money. I have no idea why people think this is so outrageous.
- ThrowawayTestr 4y ago
  It's a tiny number of people to the point of being irrelevant to the conversation.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    You mean on a discussion thread about “Where have all American workers gone”? That kind of is the discussion…
    - mway 4y ago
      I think the point is that, while it may be empirically relevant to you, it is statistically irrelevant in general. The overwhelming number of families do not benefit from tech incomes, and actually do require more than one person to contribute to the household income.
      - scarface74 4y ago
        Census.gov seems to have a different opinion https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2022/09/did-covid-19-change-retirement-timing.html https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2022/09/did-covid-19-...
  - hirako2000 4y ago
    Tiny number? Let me put a bit of context. At least a decade long debate about gender roles and other other related issues has been going on and only intensified, imo given the one sided politically correct stance adopted even by those who deep inside disagree with it has something to do with it. A lot of separated, divorced couples, who remain alone, but that still leaves millions who likely are sharing a place having the option to reject employment, rely on one source of income and get by. Which may very well be a far better spot to be in than seeing oneself exhausted, poorly taken care of personal matters and still no flowery prospect anyway. That is not a tiny numbers and is totally relevant to the discussion since the article goes on and on about some figures but provides nada convincing insight about the natures of the changes we are subtly but surely observing. The social aspects are gladly omitted to focus on numbers as if people were hungry state machines operating on dollar to effort/time spent only. Note: not saying women better not work. Given the nature of jobs it's often perfectly interchangeable and who earns more is likely to be the determinant. At least for couples who are not well off. Those who can opt for the lower income without significant impact to their life style would likely take certain factors in such as the appeal of being able to be a house-huseband and see their partner stressed out to make bucks vs taking that chore off them in exchange of theirs. In either case that's 1 count of off the labour market that's on the table for every two people in a home sharing relationship in the united states. I would go as far as saying that the precarity many women were put through lately made them twist their mind about singleship and turned to getting in a relationship in order to leave employment altogerher. Even this count wouldn't be so tiny to be discounted, and it's not like surveys will capture the figures.
- scruple 4y ago
  I only have anecdotes but you're describing ~half of my aunts and uncles here. All retired, pushing into their 60s and 70s. The most extreme example being an uncle who was a PhD Chemist in automotive paints his entire career spent with the same employer and who has a slightly-over 6-figure annual pension. Before COVID-19 he was a door greeter and stocked shelves at a grocery store in the city where he lives. Now? Watches television all day.

maphew 4y ago

How do these people pay for their necessities? (Honest question)

scarface74 4y ago
- married people whose spouse makes enough where they didn’t have to work and they did it for fun money (like - people close to retirement and who said “fuck it” I’ e got more important things to do.

Supermancho 4y ago

> I know plenty of people who won’t go back to work at any price The statement you made is both badly phrased and irrelevant. What you meant is that you know people who wont go back to a previous job for any wage, which is so absurd (and baseless) that it's effectively noise.

scarface74 4y ago
How is that baseless? Do you know how many people work part time just for “fun money” And sone people wouldn’t go back to a previous job at any wage. If you left Twitter and Elon Musk called you personally and offered to double your compensation, would you take him up on the offer?
- ThrowawayTestr 4y ago
  A tiny fraction of the number of people that work to eat.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    In the school system in particular, there are plenty of older people who work in the cafeteria, bus drivers, etc who did it because they just wanted to supplement their retirement or wanted fun money. A lot of them said forget it after Covid. Both for health reasons and lifestyle reasons. And you didn’t answer the question - is there any amount of money you could be offered to work at Twitter?
    - EddieDante 4y ago
      > And you didn’t answer the question - is there any amount of money you could be offered to work at Twitter? I'd do it for $1024/hour on a 1099 contract with guaranteed time and a half for overtime. As for the question in the headline: my wife lost her job just before COVID. She hasn't been back to work since because I make more than enough for both of us and by not working we were able to get rid of a car, cut various expenses in half, and have more time together since I was working from home. We went from DINK to SINK: single income, no kids.