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OsmAnd 4.3 for Android devices

350 points by raybb 4y ago

hacb 4y ago
Tip: if you download OsmAnd from F-Droid, you have the premium version for free
- traverseda 4y ago
  I've had f-droid OSMand for a long long time, recently I started getting a warning for google's "play protect" when I go to update it though. Very strange.
  - pwg 4y ago
    > Very strange. Not at all. The google mothership wants to keep you within the play store's walled garden. Fdroid allows you to escape the walls, so naturally google complains about that.
  - flanbiscuit 4y ago
    I have an F-Droid question. The only way to download F-Droid (as far as I know) is to download the apk directly from their site: https://f-droid.org/ https://f-droid.org/. This means having to side-load the app. Of course doing that means I would want to do my due diligence and verify the download using the PGP Signature they provide. My question is how do I verify a PGP signature completely on my phone? I do know how to verify it on my laptop, and then I could send it to myself or install it using adb. But I'm hoping there's a way to do this without having to involve a laptop.
    - johannes1234321 4y ago
      OpenKeychain is an Android app for doing some basic GPG related work. It can verify signatures (hidden in the "encrypt/decrypt" menu) Also it integrates i.e. with K-9 mail to sign and verify. https://github.com/open-keychain/open-keychain https://github.com/open-keychain/open-keychain
      - flanbiscuit 4y ago
        oh this looks promising, thank you! I'll try this out
    - wizeman 4y ago
      If someone replaces the APK on their website with a compromised one, what prevents them from replacing the PGP signature with a signature created by the attacker?
    - lalopalota 4y ago
      You're not the only one. There are instructions using termux at the end of the thread. https://forum.f-droid.org/t/help-needed-to-verify-the-f-droid-app-apk/9357/41 https://forum.f-droid.org/t/help-needed-to-verify-the-f-droi...
  - tuukkah 4y ago
    "Warning: This app may track your GPS position" or similar. Not totally unexpected of a maps app.
    - Aachen 4y ago
      Imagine Google showed warnings for all the pre-installed Google apps on every phone. Warning: Google Background Services can read your SMSes, sideload apps without your knowledge or consent, request your location, and basically anything else your device is capable of doing (see the control panel in your Google account for what you, and Google, can make this do). Warning: on some devices, Google Maps will nag you to upload WiFi access points every time you open the app. It's opt-in so technically legal! Warning: every website you type in this browser's address bar will be sent to Google. Warning: text you type on this keyboard may be sent to Google for improving text suggestions for everyone. It would be a heck of a lot of pop ups on first boot and the best marketing Apple could ever wish for. Apple is not necessarily better, but they're not being hypocritical by adding warning labels for third party noncommercial open source alternatives (OsmAnd isn't the first one where Google does this, FairEmail has a similar story).
- reyqn 4y ago
  It seems out of date though, and doesn't include this new rendering engine.
  - tuukkah 4y ago
    F-Droid does not always install the very latest versions by default unless you turn on Settings > Expert mode and then tick Unstable updates.
  - okasaki 4y ago
    Update your repos. The current version on fdroid is 4.3.8, released yesterday.
  - amiga386 4y ago
    A new version was released today/yesterday in F-Droid. I've just upgraded and the first thing it says is "What's new in 4.3.5. New, faster Version 2 (OpenGL) map rendering engine, with 2.5D view" Edit: Also, thanks to the replies here, I see that 4.3.5 was actually released in F-Droid on the 1st January, and 4.3.8 is also available since yesterday so I upgraded twice today already.
  - rpdillon 4y ago
    Nope, version 4.3.5 was posted to F-Droid right around the New Year. https://f-droid.org/en/packages/net.osmand.plus/ https://f-droid.org/en/packages/net.osmand.plus/
  - tomstockmail 4y ago
    I got the update an hour ago, try refreshing repositories.
  - aaronax 4y ago
    "Suggested" version on F-Droid is an older one, but you can choose to update to a newer one way at the bottom under Versions. Edit: I updated my repositories (pull down on main screen) and now 4.3.5 is the Suggested version.
- sorenjan 4y ago
  But now OsmAnd is putting new features behind their new subscription feature OsmAnd Pro. https://osmand.net/docs/user/purchases/android https://osmand.net/docs/user/purchases/android
  - elsjaako 4y ago
    Which ones are you missing? Most of them seem available in the f-droid version.
  - andrewaylett 4y ago
    It seems like they're putting features that need server support behind the subscription, which to be honest is fair enough?
    - sorenjan 4y ago
      Like elevation widget and route line color?
- simcop2387 4y ago
  That said, it doesn't support android auto in the f-droid release, but that's more because of the way google does things than f-droid or osmand
rom1v 4y ago
> 2.5D projection Awesome, this feature was really missing.
jjjjjjjjjjjjjjx 4y ago
Oh thank God. I've literally switched to Organic Maps because OsmAnd was so slow on my older Android smartphone.
- okasaki 4y ago
  This new version is much faster, although still not quite as buttery smooth as OM.
- realworldperson 4y ago
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Theofrastus 4y ago
I wanted to give OsmAnd a try, to replace my dependency on Google services. I could not for the life of me find a setting to correclty transliterate Japanese names to my native language. I only found three states: 1) Display original Japanese characters 2) Transliterate. Here the problem was, that oftentimes, it used the chinese pronounciation of the characters instead of Japanese. 3) use translated names, where a lot are missing, and then it falls back to the original characters. openstreetmap.de (my local variant) correctly transliterates even the smallest region names in Japan. In the end, I used Google Maps to navigate during my vacation, and everything just worked.
- siwatanejo 4y ago
  Did you file bugs explaining these problems? That's the first step for someone to look at them. Second step is, of course, if you can even fix them yourself.
  - pwg 4y ago
    > Second step is, of course, if you can even fix them yourself. It is very likely GP could fix them themself. OpenStreetMap allows for tagging the same map item with different language labels for exactly this reason. OsmAnd is likely simply picking the GP's preferred language, and when that label does not exist, using the language that /is/ available for display. GP could insert the translations into OpenStreetMap (within the proper language tag) at which point they will be available to everyone using the data, including OsmAnd.
    - lxgr 4y ago
      That sounds like a lot of extra effort that should not be necessary, given that per GP, > openstreetmap.de (my local variant) correctly transliterates even the smallest region names in Japan.
sorenjan 4y ago
It's good to see that OsmAnd is still being worked on. It's been a bit clunky and missing features for a long time, even though it's monetized. At the moment there's 2445 open issues on their Github, so it's understandable that pretty much every one gets marked as "nice to have" and then never revisited. There's still poor/no kml/kmz-support (probably the gold standard to distribute routes, POIs, overlays, etc as a collection), it's difficult to use for newcomers, there's no split screen map and bike data like real bike computers, there's no integration with external services like Strava or Komoot for routes and trip uploads, it uses a lot of battery when navigating, etc. Even so, it's still the app I use for trips when I want to use offline maps, preplanned routes, and log where I've been.
- Aachen 4y ago
  The complaint I hear more often is that it has too many features, not missing features, making the UI nearly impossible to keep simple. What's a split map?
  - amiga386 4y ago
    I think they mean where half the screen shows a map and the other half shows Important Motivational Bike Stats (distance completed, speed, gradient, heart rate?)... For the stats that OsmAnd can handle (e.g. speed, speed limit, elevation, ETA, you can configure what's in the pile of overlay boxes on the top right of the screen. I don't know if there's a plugin that could render the display as half-map, half-stats
- harvey9 4y ago
  It's not pitched as a bike computer. The cycle navigation mode just enables use of paths that may not be available to cars or pedestrians.
sva_ 4y ago
OsmAnd is excellent when you're on mountain-trails or such. Google Maps isn't even any comparison there. People often say OsmAnd is bloated but I'm usually delighted when I want to do some very specific thing and after some searching find it. The discoverability of places could be improved. I imagine this is more difficult when you dont collect data on people though...
- Kankuro 4y ago
  One must be careful when hiking with OpenStreetMap (and OsmAnd) as reference. Several times I could barely find the path (maybe it was added by someone but not really official and maintained) and I had to follow the positioning to try to follow the virtual path in the high grass. (but I still rely a lot on OsmAnd).
  - olejorgenb 4y ago
    In Norway that can easily be a problem with the official (https://www.norgeskart.no https://www.norgeskart.no) maps as well. In some areas, unused paths will quickly deteriorate and I don't think all (if any) map-providers have good procedures to detect this. Decent foot paths in the wild is not always easily visible on satellite imagery, so relying on that alone wouldn't work. It would be nice if openstreetmap-based apps had an easy way to mark a path or section of a path as low visibility[1] [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:trail_visibility https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:trail_visibility
smallerfish 4y ago
I really like OsmAnd for recording trails. It's a little nonobvious to enable; you have to go into "Plugins" (under the hamburger) and find/enable "Trip Recording". From there the UI is straightforward.
- neves 4y ago
  Why it is better than WikiLoc or similar tools?
nroets 4y ago
I've ridden my bicycle on 4 continents clocking up over 35,000 km. OsmAnd was my primary navigation app except for the 6,000 km in China where I used Baidu maps. So I'm really excited about the app being more responsive on my next tour. I recorded my tours with OsmAnd and then (after some post processing) created maps like this: http://kundi.ge/summary-of-cycling-in-eastern-europe/ http://kundi.ge/summary-of-cycling-in-eastern-europe/ https://www.cycleblaze.com/journals/5000years/summary-of-china/ https://www.cycleblaze.com/journals/5000years/summary-of-chi... https://www.cycleblaze.com/journals/roads2rome/summary/ https://www.cycleblaze.com/journals/roads2rome/summary/
- WithinReason 4y ago
  I see you went long distances along the Danube, how was it in terms of cycling infrastructure?
  - nroets 4y ago
    Pretty good. Some countries like Slovakia built cycle ways on the levies. The EU also pours money into bicycle touring: They design and promote the Euro Velo routes (signposts). I believe they run a few campsites. But there are other reasons why the Danube is the most popular bicycle touring route in the world: It's flat and it passes through many cities of great historical significance. I also like to stop and chat to other cyclists when I see them and that occurs frequently on the Danube route.
  - Kankuro 4y ago
    Between Passau (Germany-Austria border) and Vienna, you have asphalt for most of it, with some unpaved/compacted parts (it may have improved since 2015). You need to cross the river by small boats (for a fee) a few times. For bicycle touring, checking the type of surface on OpenStreetMap beforehand can be quite useful. Travelling on unpaved paths is not at all as fast as on asphalt is you have an hybrid bike (my case).
    - mariusor 4y ago
      I would add that even farther East than that, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary have decent infrastructure for cycling long distances.
Tyrannosaur 4y ago
Every so often I try to use OsmAnd again for navigation. It's... sufficient for most things. But I can't understand why it still fails at a basic address search. Why can't I just copy-paste an address into the search bar? I'm not going to individually search the state and then the city and then try to figure out what's the base road and then estimate where on the road whatever number it is. That should all happen automatically
- 70rd 4y ago
  Geocoding is a non-trivial problem, and OSM's engine,Nominatim [1] isn't great. [1] https://nominatim.org/ https://nominatim.org/
  - kqr 4y ago
    There is not "an" engine used by OSM -- Nominatim is used by the application at OpenStreetMap.org, but I'm fairly sure OsmAnd does not use it.
  - blendergeek 4y ago
    OsmAnd used to integrate nominatim as an option (it was called "Online Search"). It worked okay. Unfortunately, that option has been removed.
    - tau255 4y ago
      Do you know a reson?
- jszymborski 4y ago
  I've had the same frustration. I don't know too much about OSM so I might be completely off but I think it has something to do with address ranges being specified but individual addresses not being assigned shapes.
  - aqfamnzc 4y ago
    I'm not an expert either, but my understanding is that it's actually the opposite. From what I've seen, geocoders can find an address great when there's an exact match whether it's a point or area/shape. But they struggle to extrapolate or interpolate to find a spot along a road. ("Range")
totetsu 4y ago
OsmAnd is my killer app on Android. And it did very nearly kill me when I droped my phone halfway through a multiday bushwacking hike and lost it as my only map XD
sandos 4y ago
Oh wow, it seems to have very nice rendering for MTB tracks. I need to try that out. I had a go at adding lots of local MTB tracks as routes in OSM, so I have lots to try it out on!
- aembleton 4y ago
  Worth trying mapy.cz too https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cz.seznam.mapy https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cz.seznam.mapy
jszymborski 4y ago
Do people here recommend OsmAnd over Organic Maps?
- andrepd 4y ago
  Organic Maps is lightweight and has a simple interface, sufficient for point to point navigation and browsing a map. Osmand is incredibly powerful, customisable, and has many advanced features.
- roter 4y ago
  I've liked Organic Maps for anchoring while sailing. Drop anchor, set a marker in OM, and have it as a backup source if I can't see the shore anymore during a storm (I've got other instruments). Just been checking out OSMAnd+ from FDroid for one reason: depth contours for the Great Lakes. Seems reasonable from a quick check of some of my anchorages. Again, I have a back-up source for these as well: https://activecaptain.garmin.com/en-US/Map https://activecaptain.garmin.com/en-US/Map as well as paper & chartplotter. I'd love to see this depth layer in Organic Maps.
charles_f 4y ago
I love OsmAnd for all outdoors related activities. The trails are well defined, navigation is good and gives a good estimate, maps are configurable with all you need, recording works well and spits out a gpx. There are some quirks, and elevation in both tracking and planning is often off (I think it might try to use a too fine granularity). But usability wise I didn't find anything that compares, even Gaia - which I still use when I need precise terrain (their 3d mode is just incredible) or some much more obscure trail that's not in OsmAnd
snozolli 4y ago
I cancelled my OsmAnd subscription because the navigation is mediocre, the interface is awful in direct sunlight, and the developers respond to requests with "I don't understand why you want that". Riding back roads, I'd regularly get a navigation prompt telling me to continue straight on the road I'm already on, with no other options. I had better navigation instructions on the software I developed for PocketPC back in the early 2000s. If you try to create a custom route by tapping a spot on a road, it will often actually select a spot on some tiny, invisible offshoot. It will then relentlessly try to navigate to said offshoot, requiring you to pull over and futz around with the interface to delete the waypoint. All of this is made even worse by the low-contrast UI with tiny buttons. It works great when you're planning your route at home. Not so much when you're on the side of the road on a motorcycle on a blazingly hot summer day. Finally, now that I'm going farsighted, I need certain UI elements to be larger. There are plenty of requests for resizable widgets and the developers seem baffled as to why anyone would want that. Instead of giving customers what they want, they just ignore it. Don't even get me started on trying to search for locations. OsmAnd is virtually useless for anything other than poring over a map and manually setting waypoints. Even that is hampered by the first issue I mentioned. Edit: https://imgur.com/a/u23H479 https://imgur.com/a/u23H479 oof
- y-c-o-m-b 4y ago
  This is some pretty constructive and compelling feedback for the product, kudos. All of these issues would drive me absolutely insane (the motorcycle comment especially hits home). I hope their support team or devs are watching this thread.
- kqr 4y ago
  > Riding back roads, I'd regularly get a navigation prompt telling me to continue straight on the road I'm already on, with no other options. I had better navigation instructions on the software I developed for PocketPC back in the early 2000s. I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this, but it sounds like a bug in the underlying OpenStreetMap data, where one road has accidentally been modeled as two roads with an intersection between them. That you can fairly easily fix on your own. The rest of your feedback I agree with (though I may disagree with your priorities, but that's fine -- we have different priorities.)
skrowl 4y ago
Wow, their pricing is super high. I can't imagine who the target demographic for this is when google maps / etc are free.
- Rudism 4y ago
  The target demographic for OsmAnd is people who prefer to pay for services with money instead of their privacy. Google Maps is only free if you consider your personal information and privacy to be valueless.
- TonyTrapp 4y ago
  If you can live with your maps only being updated once a month, it's a one-time payment of 25€ for the entire world. I don't think that's too expensive? You can save some euros by waiting for a sale (there's one right now in fact), or by buying just the Europe maps for example, but... I really didn't think it's too much. On the other hand I can agree that the subscription feels more pricey, but if people make use of the hourly map updates it's probably quite justified, given the bandwidth costs.
- fulafel 4y ago
  Only on Play store, seems like a good "market segmentation" spot to me.
- thinkingemote 4y ago
  I paid a small once off amount and it's for life.
blinding-streak 4y ago
I just downloaded the app to try it just now. Sad to report that it feels like an alpha product. It thinks I live in Kansas and wanted me to download maps for that state. I live in the US, but over a thousand miles away from Kansas. It finally asked to use my location, which I approved, and even then it didn't ask if I wanted to download maps for my area. The map is completely blank on my screen. Some thought into basic UX flow would improve usability so much. I don't feel like trying to find out how to cajole this app into doing fundamental things that pretty much every other map app does easily.
- taco_emoji 4y ago
  Same here, Kansas is like three states away from me. It also didn't prompt me for location access, so I doubt it was even attempting to use location services whatsoever.
jdfedgon 4y ago
Nice, that they keep improving the app. However, Osmand gives mixed feelings. Examples: 1) Going from Munich main train station south (Hauptbahnhof Süd) to Berlin main train station (Berlin, S+U Hauptbahnhof). Osmand tells me to download Czechia Northwest map. Doesn't make sense, the route doesn't even go through Czechia. Ok, I think. I download the missing map, app crashes. Restart the app, do the same search again. From one major German city to another. Pretty straight, it would be just one highway (A9) basically. Takes 4-5 minutes to calculate with a Samsung S22. That's just meh. 2) Do the same search again but this time set avoid highways. After 15 minutes still no result, I gave up. 3) The search function is contra-intuitive. 4) Even with a Samsung S22 the map is kind of slow if you just move the map around. For driving it seems ok though. The new engine might have speed up things but it still a far way to being smooth. I don't complain, but I wish they would address especially the route planning and search.
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thefz 4y ago
OsmAnd is one of the very few software I am thankful for every day.
petodo 4y ago
can anyone compare it to mapy.cz, is it better finally?
- aembleton 4y ago
  Just downloaded it and tried it. Still miles off being as good as mapy.cz. Even OrganicMaps is smoother than OsmAnd and navigation still takes far too long.
- evertheylen 4y ago
  I just tried it, Mapy.cz is still considerably faster on my Samsung S10.
phkahler 4y ago
How do I upgrade?
- troyvit 4y ago
  It looks like they have it out on the google store, but not F-droid yet. There are links at the bottom of the post.
virtualritz 4y ago
I have two use cases for maps. Navigation and POI discovery. OsmAnd is complete fail for the second part. Maps.Me has some reviews but it's meager compared to Google Maps ofc. I have over a hundred reviews on Google maps that I wrote. I can grab them using Google Takeout and since they're my IP (I'm in Germany) I would happily import them as reviews for the resp. POIs in OsmAnd (or Maps.Me). I.e. use them to contribute to OSM. But how? This should be dead simple.
- richiebful1 4y ago
  Open Street Maps doesn't aggregate review data, only business info. That said, OSM doesn't really encourage automated changes for understandable reasons (vandalism, interest in human validation, etc). It's a tradeoff that makes OSM a lot better in my rural area, but maybe not in an urban area with a lot of business turnover
  - virtualritz 4y ago
    Yeah, talk about a chicken-egg problem. If you want people to use OSM-based apps in place of Google/Apple maps you need to provide a way to access/add/edit (and better also import) POI reviews. W/o them average users will not switch because offline navigation via OSM is simply not good enough a reason. Particuarly if you have commercial (but free) stuff like HERE WeGo which does offline navigation better than any OSM-based app I've seen.
- eisa01 4y ago
  Agree, would be great with some kind of open POI service synced to OSM, and with reviews tacked on FYI: You may want to check out Organic Maps, that is developed by the original Maps.me founders: https://organicmaps.app https://organicmaps.app
- zczc 4y ago
  There is Open Place Reviews: https://openplacereviews.org/ https://openplacereviews.org/. Also available as a plugin in OsmAnd: https://osmand.net/docs/user/plugins/openplacereviews https://osmand.net/docs/user/plugins/openplacereviews
seanw444 4y ago
This was the one thing that was holding me back from maining OsmAnd. Been using it for the last couple weeks, and holy cow it's night and day when trying to scroll around the map. It wasn't an issue while I was already driving and it was navigating, but when I was trying to manually pan around, it was abysmal.
raybb 4y ago
If anyone is looking for easy ways to contribute to OSM I highly recommend StreetComplete (which is a gamified quests to answer questions about your local area) and Every Door (which makes it very easy to add/update info about shops or other points of interest (POI) near you. https://every-door.app/ https://every-door.app/ https://streetcomplete.app/ https://streetcomplete.app/
- LarryMullins 4y ago
  I did this for a while, but it began to eventually creep me out that the app was asking me to input all kinds of irrelevant details about people's houses, like how many stories the house had and what style/shape of roof it had. I get that they're trying to slurp up just some of the data a company like google gets from streetview surveillance vans, but I just don't see why any of that data has a legitimate need. I continued using the app a little while longer to fill in other details, like one-way streets in my area, but those sort of queries eventually dried up within the area I usually go for walks in.
  - raybb 4y ago
    Personally, I don't think that the details about houses (like how many stories and shape of roof) are very useful (compared to the other data it asks for like opening hours) so I turned off those quests in the settings. It would be nice if they weren't on be default.
  - jrpear 4y ago
    One use of that data is creating 3d renders, like this site: https://osmbuildings.org/ https://osmbuildings.org/
    - LarryMullins 4y ago
      I get it, I just don't think there is a need for that.
  - dTal 4y ago
    It's a map. Buildings are landmarks. Remember it's not just for routing your car journeys, it's meant to have everything on it. You look at the map, you see a square building. Is it a warehouse, a skyscraper, a radio antenna? Will you be able to see it from a mile away, and if so what will it look like? That's very relevant info. It might seem odd to be collecting data on people's homes, but it can't even guess that it might be somebody's home without asking you such questions. And the info it asks for is public anyway, it's not like you can't find it all out on Street View.
boredumb 4y ago
I'll try not to rant, but a useful and complete open map system in my mind is one of the biggest things holding up a ton of innovation around mobile devices, search engines and even automotive by being able to divorce from apple/google/microsoft. I try to degoogle my life every so often and generally end up back on google after I try to type in an address for quick directions, orient myself in a foreign city or find an open restaurant near me. Great news and I hope there's more and more work in this area. I would love to see a federated way for local business to list themselves to be listed on open maps/search engines/etc instead of being listed on google business.
- raybb 4y ago
  I agree, I think a related part of this is reviews. I often pick which coffee shop to go to based on reviews that say how the wifi is, if it's loud, what food people like there, etc. There is an effort to do this that's integrated with mapcomplete but as far as I know it's not too actively used. It's called mangrove reviews. https://mangrove.reviews/ https://mangrove.reviews/
- kqr 4y ago
  What's preventing OpenStreetMap from being the system you envision, except for a lack of users? > I would love to see a federated way for local business to list themselves to be listed on open maps/search engines/etc instead of being listed on google business. What does federated mean in this case? Could OpenStreetMap be that Federation protocol?
  - boredumb 4y ago
    I was imagining a system where you can essentially host your own file with your business metadata and different systems can use it for their own maps. In this case OSM could be aggregating businesses into their map to display local tire shops, etc. I the real power would be a third party aggregator for businesses that can use OSM to power the map itself where they manage the businesses/reviews/etc
mr_woozy 4y ago
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jbj 4y ago
OsmAnd worked great with multitouch on my old ms surface (fedora+waydroid) but now it crashes after a few seconds. I hope to get it up and running, it is amazing for offline maps on such a big screen.
AdrianB1 4y ago
I used a few years OsmAnd+ on a pair of Samsung Galaxy S3 phones while touring across Europe; the first phone crashed from overheating, the second one died too (screen died), but OsmAnd was running fine on these antique phones, except the route calculation that was extremely slow. Having a faster rendering engine sounds nice, but it was never a problem for me. On a more modern phone I expect a good performance even with the old engine. These days I don't use OsmAnd anymore; in my country Waze is more useful for me, outside it depends on the roaming charges. The only big advantage of OsmAnd is that in the past I could edit some maps and see the changes in the application a lost faster than Google Maps, but now Waze is fast too.
egberts1 4y ago
Cool bean. They even fixed that pesky version popup with inaccessible "dismiss" button right away on my JVC stereo. Great app for my driving needs in Eastern US starboard. Useful with Apple CarPlay.
worldsavior 4y ago
Feels the same for me. Still laggy and bad UI, but cool.
DragonMaus 4y ago
I want to love OsmAnd. I've tried it many times over the years, but the only functionality that it does better than other apps is bookmarks/favourites (it actually allows you to organise them into folders, if you can imagine such a thing!). In literally every other (functional) respect, Waze beats the pants off of it.
1vuio0pswjnm7 4y ago
Beware that this has an option to send a UUID when downloading maps and this option has been enabled by default.

350 points by raybb 4y ago

hacb 4y ago

Tip: if you download OsmAnd from F-Droid, you have the premium version for free

traverseda 4y ago
I've had f-droid OSMand for a long long time, recently I started getting a warning for google's "play protect" when I go to update it though. Very strange.
- pwg 4y ago
  > Very strange. Not at all. The google mothership wants to keep you within the play store's walled garden. Fdroid allows you to escape the walls, so naturally google complains about that.
- flanbiscuit 4y ago
  I have an F-Droid question. The only way to download F-Droid (as far as I know) is to download the apk directly from their site: https://f-droid.org/ https://f-droid.org/. This means having to side-load the app. Of course doing that means I would want to do my due diligence and verify the download using the PGP Signature they provide. My question is how do I verify a PGP signature completely on my phone? I do know how to verify it on my laptop, and then I could send it to myself or install it using adb. But I'm hoping there's a way to do this without having to involve a laptop.
  - johannes1234321 4y ago
    OpenKeychain is an Android app for doing some basic GPG related work. It can verify signatures (hidden in the "encrypt/decrypt" menu) Also it integrates i.e. with K-9 mail to sign and verify. https://github.com/open-keychain/open-keychain https://github.com/open-keychain/open-keychain
    - flanbiscuit 4y ago
      oh this looks promising, thank you! I'll try this out
  - wizeman 4y ago
    If someone replaces the APK on their website with a compromised one, what prevents them from replacing the PGP signature with a signature created by the attacker?
  - lalopalota 4y ago
    You're not the only one. There are instructions using termux at the end of the thread. https://forum.f-droid.org/t/help-needed-to-verify-the-f-droid-app-apk/9357/41 https://forum.f-droid.org/t/help-needed-to-verify-the-f-droi...
- tuukkah 4y ago
  "Warning: This app may track your GPS position" or similar. Not totally unexpected of a maps app.
  - Aachen 4y ago
    Imagine Google showed warnings for all the pre-installed Google apps on every phone. Warning: Google Background Services can read your SMSes, sideload apps without your knowledge or consent, request your location, and basically anything else your device is capable of doing (see the control panel in your Google account for what you, and Google, can make this do). Warning: on some devices, Google Maps will nag you to upload WiFi access points every time you open the app. It's opt-in so technically legal! Warning: every website you type in this browser's address bar will be sent to Google. Warning: text you type on this keyboard may be sent to Google for improving text suggestions for everyone. It would be a heck of a lot of pop ups on first boot and the best marketing Apple could ever wish for. Apple is not necessarily better, but they're not being hypocritical by adding warning labels for third party noncommercial open source alternatives (OsmAnd isn't the first one where Google does this, FairEmail has a similar story).
reyqn 4y ago
It seems out of date though, and doesn't include this new rendering engine.
- tuukkah 4y ago
  F-Droid does not always install the very latest versions by default unless you turn on Settings > Expert mode and then tick Unstable updates.
- okasaki 4y ago
  Update your repos. The current version on fdroid is 4.3.8, released yesterday.
- amiga386 4y ago
  A new version was released today/yesterday in F-Droid. I've just upgraded and the first thing it says is "What's new in 4.3.5. New, faster Version 2 (OpenGL) map rendering engine, with 2.5D view" Edit: Also, thanks to the replies here, I see that 4.3.5 was actually released in F-Droid on the 1st January, and 4.3.8 is also available since yesterday so I upgraded twice today already.
- rpdillon 4y ago
  Nope, version 4.3.5 was posted to F-Droid right around the New Year. https://f-droid.org/en/packages/net.osmand.plus/ https://f-droid.org/en/packages/net.osmand.plus/
- tomstockmail 4y ago
  I got the update an hour ago, try refreshing repositories.
- aaronax 4y ago
  "Suggested" version on F-Droid is an older one, but you can choose to update to a newer one way at the bottom under Versions. Edit: I updated my repositories (pull down on main screen) and now 4.3.5 is the Suggested version.
sorenjan 4y ago
But now OsmAnd is putting new features behind their new subscription feature OsmAnd Pro. https://osmand.net/docs/user/purchases/android https://osmand.net/docs/user/purchases/android
- elsjaako 4y ago
  Which ones are you missing? Most of them seem available in the f-droid version.
- andrewaylett 4y ago
  It seems like they're putting features that need server support behind the subscription, which to be honest is fair enough?
  - sorenjan 4y ago
    Like elevation widget and route line color?
simcop2387 4y ago
That said, it doesn't support android auto in the f-droid release, but that's more because of the way google does things than f-droid or osmand

rom1v 4y ago

> 2.5D projection Awesome, this feature was really missing.

jjjjjjjjjjjjjjx 4y ago

Oh thank God. I've literally switched to Organic Maps because OsmAnd was so slow on my older Android smartphone.

okasaki 4y ago
This new version is much faster, although still not quite as buttery smooth as OM.
realworldperson 4y ago
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Theofrastus 4y ago

I wanted to give OsmAnd a try, to replace my dependency on Google services. I could not for the life of me find a setting to correclty transliterate Japanese names to my native language. I only found three states: 1) Display original Japanese characters 2) Transliterate. Here the problem was, that oftentimes, it used the chinese pronounciation of the characters instead of Japanese. 3) use translated names, where a lot are missing, and then it falls back to the original characters. openstreetmap.de (my local variant) correctly transliterates even the smallest region names in Japan. In the end, I used Google Maps to navigate during my vacation, and everything just worked.

siwatanejo 4y ago
Did you file bugs explaining these problems? That's the first step for someone to look at them. Second step is, of course, if you can even fix them yourself.
- pwg 4y ago
  > Second step is, of course, if you can even fix them yourself. It is very likely GP could fix them themself. OpenStreetMap allows for tagging the same map item with different language labels for exactly this reason. OsmAnd is likely simply picking the GP's preferred language, and when that label does not exist, using the language that /is/ available for display. GP could insert the translations into OpenStreetMap (within the proper language tag) at which point they will be available to everyone using the data, including OsmAnd.
  - lxgr 4y ago
    That sounds like a lot of extra effort that should not be necessary, given that per GP, > openstreetmap.de (my local variant) correctly transliterates even the smallest region names in Japan.

sorenjan 4y ago

It's good to see that OsmAnd is still being worked on. It's been a bit clunky and missing features for a long time, even though it's monetized. At the moment there's 2445 open issues on their Github, so it's understandable that pretty much every one gets marked as "nice to have" and then never revisited. There's still poor/no kml/kmz-support (probably the gold standard to distribute routes, POIs, overlays, etc as a collection), it's difficult to use for newcomers, there's no split screen map and bike data like real bike computers, there's no integration with external services like Strava or Komoot for routes and trip uploads, it uses a lot of battery when navigating, etc. Even so, it's still the app I use for trips when I want to use offline maps, preplanned routes, and log where I've been.

Aachen 4y ago
The complaint I hear more often is that it has too many features, not missing features, making the UI nearly impossible to keep simple. What's a split map?
- amiga386 4y ago
  I think they mean where half the screen shows a map and the other half shows Important Motivational Bike Stats (distance completed, speed, gradient, heart rate?)... For the stats that OsmAnd can handle (e.g. speed, speed limit, elevation, ETA, you can configure what's in the pile of overlay boxes on the top right of the screen. I don't know if there's a plugin that could render the display as half-map, half-stats
harvey9 4y ago
It's not pitched as a bike computer. The cycle navigation mode just enables use of paths that may not be available to cars or pedestrians.

sva_ 4y ago

OsmAnd is excellent when you're on mountain-trails or such. Google Maps isn't even any comparison there. People often say OsmAnd is bloated but I'm usually delighted when I want to do some very specific thing and after some searching find it. The discoverability of places could be improved. I imagine this is more difficult when you dont collect data on people though...

Kankuro 4y ago
One must be careful when hiking with OpenStreetMap (and OsmAnd) as reference. Several times I could barely find the path (maybe it was added by someone but not really official and maintained) and I had to follow the positioning to try to follow the virtual path in the high grass. (but I still rely a lot on OsmAnd).
- olejorgenb 4y ago
  In Norway that can easily be a problem with the official (https://www.norgeskart.no https://www.norgeskart.no) maps as well. In some areas, unused paths will quickly deteriorate and I don't think all (if any) map-providers have good procedures to detect this. Decent foot paths in the wild is not always easily visible on satellite imagery, so relying on that alone wouldn't work. It would be nice if openstreetmap-based apps had an easy way to mark a path or section of a path as low visibility[1] [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:trail_visibility https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:trail_visibility

smallerfish 4y ago

I really like OsmAnd for recording trails. It's a little nonobvious to enable; you have to go into "Plugins" (under the hamburger) and find/enable "Trip Recording". From there the UI is straightforward.

neves 4y ago
Why it is better than WikiLoc or similar tools?

nroets 4y ago

I've ridden my bicycle on 4 continents clocking up over 35,000 km. OsmAnd was my primary navigation app except for the 6,000 km in China where I used Baidu maps. So I'm really excited about the app being more responsive on my next tour. I recorded my tours with OsmAnd and then (after some post processing) created maps like this: http://kundi.ge/summary-of-cycling-in-eastern-europe/ http://kundi.ge/summary-of-cycling-in-eastern-europe/ https://www.cycleblaze.com/journals/5000years/summary-of-china/ https://www.cycleblaze.com/journals/5000years/summary-of-chi... https://www.cycleblaze.com/journals/roads2rome/summary/ https://www.cycleblaze.com/journals/roads2rome/summary/

WithinReason 4y ago
I see you went long distances along the Danube, how was it in terms of cycling infrastructure?
- nroets 4y ago
  Pretty good. Some countries like Slovakia built cycle ways on the levies. The EU also pours money into bicycle touring: They design and promote the Euro Velo routes (signposts). I believe they run a few campsites. But there are other reasons why the Danube is the most popular bicycle touring route in the world: It's flat and it passes through many cities of great historical significance. I also like to stop and chat to other cyclists when I see them and that occurs frequently on the Danube route.
- Kankuro 4y ago
  Between Passau (Germany-Austria border) and Vienna, you have asphalt for most of it, with some unpaved/compacted parts (it may have improved since 2015). You need to cross the river by small boats (for a fee) a few times. For bicycle touring, checking the type of surface on OpenStreetMap beforehand can be quite useful. Travelling on unpaved paths is not at all as fast as on asphalt is you have an hybrid bike (my case).
  - mariusor 4y ago
    I would add that even farther East than that, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary have decent infrastructure for cycling long distances.

Tyrannosaur 4y ago

Every so often I try to use OsmAnd again for navigation. It's... sufficient for most things. But I can't understand why it still fails at a basic address search. Why can't I just copy-paste an address into the search bar? I'm not going to individually search the state and then the city and then try to figure out what's the base road and then estimate where on the road whatever number it is. That should all happen automatically

70rd 4y ago
Geocoding is a non-trivial problem, and OSM's engine,Nominatim [1] isn't great. [1] https://nominatim.org/ https://nominatim.org/
- kqr 4y ago
  There is not "an" engine used by OSM -- Nominatim is used by the application at OpenStreetMap.org, but I'm fairly sure OsmAnd does not use it.
- blendergeek 4y ago
  OsmAnd used to integrate nominatim as an option (it was called "Online Search"). It worked okay. Unfortunately, that option has been removed.
  - tau255 4y ago
    Do you know a reson?
jszymborski 4y ago
I've had the same frustration. I don't know too much about OSM so I might be completely off but I think it has something to do with address ranges being specified but individual addresses not being assigned shapes.
- aqfamnzc 4y ago
  I'm not an expert either, but my understanding is that it's actually the opposite. From what I've seen, geocoders can find an address great when there's an exact match whether it's a point or area/shape. But they struggle to extrapolate or interpolate to find a spot along a road. ("Range")

totetsu 4y ago

OsmAnd is my killer app on Android. And it did very nearly kill me when I droped my phone halfway through a multiday bushwacking hike and lost it as my only map XD

sandos 4y ago

Oh wow, it seems to have very nice rendering for MTB tracks. I need to try that out. I had a go at adding lots of local MTB tracks as routes in OSM, so I have lots to try it out on!

aembleton 4y ago
Worth trying mapy.cz too https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cz.seznam.mapy https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cz.seznam.mapy

jszymborski 4y ago

Do people here recommend OsmAnd over Organic Maps?

andrepd 4y ago
Organic Maps is lightweight and has a simple interface, sufficient for point to point navigation and browsing a map. Osmand is incredibly powerful, customisable, and has many advanced features.
roter 4y ago
I've liked Organic Maps for anchoring while sailing. Drop anchor, set a marker in OM, and have it as a backup source if I can't see the shore anymore during a storm (I've got other instruments). Just been checking out OSMAnd+ from FDroid for one reason: depth contours for the Great Lakes. Seems reasonable from a quick check of some of my anchorages. Again, I have a back-up source for these as well: https://activecaptain.garmin.com/en-US/Map https://activecaptain.garmin.com/en-US/Map as well as paper & chartplotter. I'd love to see this depth layer in Organic Maps.

charles_f 4y ago

I love OsmAnd for all outdoors related activities. The trails are well defined, navigation is good and gives a good estimate, maps are configurable with all you need, recording works well and spits out a gpx. There are some quirks, and elevation in both tracking and planning is often off (I think it might try to use a too fine granularity). But usability wise I didn't find anything that compares, even Gaia - which I still use when I need precise terrain (their 3d mode is just incredible) or some much more obscure trail that's not in OsmAnd

snozolli 4y ago

I cancelled my OsmAnd subscription because the navigation is mediocre, the interface is awful in direct sunlight, and the developers respond to requests with "I don't understand why you want that". Riding back roads, I'd regularly get a navigation prompt telling me to continue straight on the road I'm already on, with no other options. I had better navigation instructions on the software I developed for PocketPC back in the early 2000s. If you try to create a custom route by tapping a spot on a road, it will often actually select a spot on some tiny, invisible offshoot. It will then relentlessly try to navigate to said offshoot, requiring you to pull over and futz around with the interface to delete the waypoint. All of this is made even worse by the low-contrast UI with tiny buttons. It works great when you're planning your route at home. Not so much when you're on the side of the road on a motorcycle on a blazingly hot summer day. Finally, now that I'm going farsighted, I need certain UI elements to be larger. There are plenty of requests for resizable widgets and the developers seem baffled as to why anyone would want that. Instead of giving customers what they want, they just ignore it. Don't even get me started on trying to search for locations. OsmAnd is virtually useless for anything other than poring over a map and manually setting waypoints. Even that is hampered by the first issue I mentioned. Edit: https://imgur.com/a/u23H479 https://imgur.com/a/u23H479 oof

y-c-o-m-b 4y ago
This is some pretty constructive and compelling feedback for the product, kudos. All of these issues would drive me absolutely insane (the motorcycle comment especially hits home). I hope their support team or devs are watching this thread.
kqr 4y ago
> Riding back roads, I'd regularly get a navigation prompt telling me to continue straight on the road I'm already on, with no other options. I had better navigation instructions on the software I developed for PocketPC back in the early 2000s. I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this, but it sounds like a bug in the underlying OpenStreetMap data, where one road has accidentally been modeled as two roads with an intersection between them. That you can fairly easily fix on your own. The rest of your feedback I agree with (though I may disagree with your priorities, but that's fine -- we have different priorities.)

skrowl 4y ago

Wow, their pricing is super high. I can't imagine who the target demographic for this is when google maps / etc are free.

Rudism 4y ago
The target demographic for OsmAnd is people who prefer to pay for services with money instead of their privacy. Google Maps is only free if you consider your personal information and privacy to be valueless.
TonyTrapp 4y ago
If you can live with your maps only being updated once a month, it's a one-time payment of 25€ for the entire world. I don't think that's too expensive? You can save some euros by waiting for a sale (there's one right now in fact), or by buying just the Europe maps for example, but... I really didn't think it's too much. On the other hand I can agree that the subscription feels more pricey, but if people make use of the hourly map updates it's probably quite justified, given the bandwidth costs.
fulafel 4y ago
Only on Play store, seems like a good "market segmentation" spot to me.
thinkingemote 4y ago
I paid a small once off amount and it's for life.

blinding-streak 4y ago

I just downloaded the app to try it just now. Sad to report that it feels like an alpha product. It thinks I live in Kansas and wanted me to download maps for that state. I live in the US, but over a thousand miles away from Kansas. It finally asked to use my location, which I approved, and even then it didn't ask if I wanted to download maps for my area. The map is completely blank on my screen. Some thought into basic UX flow would improve usability so much. I don't feel like trying to find out how to cajole this app into doing fundamental things that pretty much every other map app does easily.

taco_emoji 4y ago
Same here, Kansas is like three states away from me. It also didn't prompt me for location access, so I doubt it was even attempting to use location services whatsoever.

jdfedgon 4y ago

Nice, that they keep improving the app. However, Osmand gives mixed feelings. Examples: 1) Going from Munich main train station south (Hauptbahnhof Süd) to Berlin main train station (Berlin, S+U Hauptbahnhof). Osmand tells me to download Czechia Northwest map. Doesn't make sense, the route doesn't even go through Czechia. Ok, I think. I download the missing map, app crashes. Restart the app, do the same search again. From one major German city to another. Pretty straight, it would be just one highway (A9) basically. Takes 4-5 minutes to calculate with a Samsung S22. That's just meh. 2) Do the same search again but this time set avoid highways. After 15 minutes still no result, I gave up. 3) The search function is contra-intuitive. 4) Even with a Samsung S22 the map is kind of slow if you just move the map around. For driving it seems ok though. The new engine might have speed up things but it still a far way to being smooth. I don't complain, but I wish they would address especially the route planning and search.

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thefz 4y ago

OsmAnd is one of the very few software I am thankful for every day.

petodo 4y ago

can anyone compare it to mapy.cz, is it better finally?

aembleton 4y ago
Just downloaded it and tried it. Still miles off being as good as mapy.cz. Even OrganicMaps is smoother than OsmAnd and navigation still takes far too long.
evertheylen 4y ago
I just tried it, Mapy.cz is still considerably faster on my Samsung S10.

phkahler 4y ago

How do I upgrade?

troyvit 4y ago
It looks like they have it out on the google store, but not F-droid yet. There are links at the bottom of the post.

virtualritz 4y ago

I have two use cases for maps. Navigation and POI discovery. OsmAnd is complete fail for the second part. Maps.Me has some reviews but it's meager compared to Google Maps ofc. I have over a hundred reviews on Google maps that I wrote. I can grab them using Google Takeout and since they're my IP (I'm in Germany) I would happily import them as reviews for the resp. POIs in OsmAnd (or Maps.Me). I.e. use them to contribute to OSM. But how? This should be dead simple.

richiebful1 4y ago
Open Street Maps doesn't aggregate review data, only business info. That said, OSM doesn't really encourage automated changes for understandable reasons (vandalism, interest in human validation, etc). It's a tradeoff that makes OSM a lot better in my rural area, but maybe not in an urban area with a lot of business turnover
- virtualritz 4y ago
  Yeah, talk about a chicken-egg problem. If you want people to use OSM-based apps in place of Google/Apple maps you need to provide a way to access/add/edit (and better also import) POI reviews. W/o them average users will not switch because offline navigation via OSM is simply not good enough a reason. Particuarly if you have commercial (but free) stuff like HERE WeGo which does offline navigation better than any OSM-based app I've seen.
eisa01 4y ago
Agree, would be great with some kind of open POI service synced to OSM, and with reviews tacked on FYI: You may want to check out Organic Maps, that is developed by the original Maps.me founders: https://organicmaps.app https://organicmaps.app
zczc 4y ago
There is Open Place Reviews: https://openplacereviews.org/ https://openplacereviews.org/. Also available as a plugin in OsmAnd: https://osmand.net/docs/user/plugins/openplacereviews https://osmand.net/docs/user/plugins/openplacereviews

seanw444 4y ago

This was the one thing that was holding me back from maining OsmAnd. Been using it for the last couple weeks, and holy cow it's night and day when trying to scroll around the map. It wasn't an issue while I was already driving and it was navigating, but when I was trying to manually pan around, it was abysmal.

raybb 4y ago

If anyone is looking for easy ways to contribute to OSM I highly recommend StreetComplete (which is a gamified quests to answer questions about your local area) and Every Door (which makes it very easy to add/update info about shops or other points of interest (POI) near you. https://every-door.app/ https://every-door.app/ https://streetcomplete.app/ https://streetcomplete.app/

LarryMullins 4y ago
I did this for a while, but it began to eventually creep me out that the app was asking me to input all kinds of irrelevant details about people's houses, like how many stories the house had and what style/shape of roof it had. I get that they're trying to slurp up just some of the data a company like google gets from streetview surveillance vans, but I just don't see why any of that data has a legitimate need. I continued using the app a little while longer to fill in other details, like one-way streets in my area, but those sort of queries eventually dried up within the area I usually go for walks in.
- raybb 4y ago
  Personally, I don't think that the details about houses (like how many stories and shape of roof) are very useful (compared to the other data it asks for like opening hours) so I turned off those quests in the settings. It would be nice if they weren't on be default.
- jrpear 4y ago
  One use of that data is creating 3d renders, like this site: https://osmbuildings.org/ https://osmbuildings.org/
  - LarryMullins 4y ago
    I get it, I just don't think there is a need for that.
- dTal 4y ago
  It's a map. Buildings are landmarks. Remember it's not just for routing your car journeys, it's meant to have everything on it. You look at the map, you see a square building. Is it a warehouse, a skyscraper, a radio antenna? Will you be able to see it from a mile away, and if so what will it look like? That's very relevant info. It might seem odd to be collecting data on people's homes, but it can't even guess that it might be somebody's home without asking you such questions. And the info it asks for is public anyway, it's not like you can't find it all out on Street View.

boredumb 4y ago

I'll try not to rant, but a useful and complete open map system in my mind is one of the biggest things holding up a ton of innovation around mobile devices, search engines and even automotive by being able to divorce from apple/google/microsoft. I try to degoogle my life every so often and generally end up back on google after I try to type in an address for quick directions, orient myself in a foreign city or find an open restaurant near me. Great news and I hope there's more and more work in this area. I would love to see a federated way for local business to list themselves to be listed on open maps/search engines/etc instead of being listed on google business.

raybb 4y ago
I agree, I think a related part of this is reviews. I often pick which coffee shop to go to based on reviews that say how the wifi is, if it's loud, what food people like there, etc. There is an effort to do this that's integrated with mapcomplete but as far as I know it's not too actively used. It's called mangrove reviews. https://mangrove.reviews/ https://mangrove.reviews/
kqr 4y ago
What's preventing OpenStreetMap from being the system you envision, except for a lack of users? > I would love to see a federated way for local business to list themselves to be listed on open maps/search engines/etc instead of being listed on google business. What does federated mean in this case? Could OpenStreetMap be that Federation protocol?
- boredumb 4y ago
  I was imagining a system where you can essentially host your own file with your business metadata and different systems can use it for their own maps. In this case OSM could be aggregating businesses into their map to display local tire shops, etc. I the real power would be a third party aggregator for businesses that can use OSM to power the map itself where they manage the businesses/reviews/etc

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jbj 4y ago

OsmAnd worked great with multitouch on my old ms surface (fedora+waydroid) but now it crashes after a few seconds. I hope to get it up and running, it is amazing for offline maps on such a big screen.

AdrianB1 4y ago

I used a few years OsmAnd+ on a pair of Samsung Galaxy S3 phones while touring across Europe; the first phone crashed from overheating, the second one died too (screen died), but OsmAnd was running fine on these antique phones, except the route calculation that was extremely slow. Having a faster rendering engine sounds nice, but it was never a problem for me. On a more modern phone I expect a good performance even with the old engine. These days I don't use OsmAnd anymore; in my country Waze is more useful for me, outside it depends on the roaming charges. The only big advantage of OsmAnd is that in the past I could edit some maps and see the changes in the application a lost faster than Google Maps, but now Waze is fast too.

egberts1 4y ago

Cool bean. They even fixed that pesky version popup with inaccessible "dismiss" button right away on my JVC stereo. Great app for my driving needs in Eastern US starboard. Useful with Apple CarPlay.

worldsavior 4y ago

Feels the same for me. Still laggy and bad UI, but cool.

DragonMaus 4y ago

I want to love OsmAnd. I've tried it many times over the years, but the only functionality that it does better than other apps is bookmarks/favourites (it actually allows you to organise them into folders, if you can imagine such a thing!). In literally every other (functional) respect, Waze beats the pants off of it.

1vuio0pswjnm7 4y ago

Beware that this has an option to send a UUID when downloading maps and this option has been enabled by default.