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Mjolnir
- JonChesterfield 4y agoNot the hammer. Small computer case.
- WJW 4y agoIt should easily be possible to add a handle to it though. Could be either 3d printed or even hand carved from a big stick or something. Maybe it should be possible to route much of the cabling through the handle as well? Hmmmm.
- Y_Y 4y agoI wouldn't trust any 3d printed filament for any serious hammering tasks. Assuming you have the strength to heft it, I'd go with thick old-growth oak screwed directly into the motherboard. A steel handle might offer better heat dissipation but falls down on aesthetic and battle-comfort grounds.
- tomrod 4y agoHear hear! But be sure to avoid overly mossy handles as the oils built up over the years lower the heat dissipation capable via the handle and is a better electric conductor -- not a good thing if you are wanting to channel lightning at places other than yourself.
- marcus_holmes 4y agoI'd also want some serious external cable management. Serious hammering is not going to be possible with power and monitor cable flailing around.
- fanatic2pope 4y agoBuy a hickory axe handle, cut off the tenon and put in a threaded insert. Then you'd only need to drill a small hole in the top of the case to thread a bolt through to hold it on. If you want to be fancy, get a wood burning kit and burn some runes into it or something.
- wildrhythms 4y agoDisappointed to find there is no photo showing the inside of the case with the CPU cooler and cabling.
- Klaster_1 4y agoFor photos, you can check out the r/sffpc. In general, the SFF cabling depends on the amount of effort the builder's willing to take. In a similarly sized and laid out Geeek A50+, my cabling is a total mess.
- fabiensanglard 4y agoThe videos linked also feature footage of the inside before closing it.
- throwaway13337 4y agoAll that to play a 20 year old game. Maybe I'm being thick and that's the joke? Anyway, the vertical mount of the video card got me wondering again about how reasonable that is. I read something about vapor chambers being designed for the video card to be placed horizontally. The theory being that there is a heat > rise > cool/condense > gravity thing that happens inside these heat sinks that gets disrupted if the heatsink is on it's side making the cooling less effective. I'm curious if anyone has more evidence about this.
- ujuj 4y agoIf I'm not mistaken, Diablo 2 Resurrected is not a 20 year old game, since it is a remaster of the original Diablo 2. It has been released ~two years ago.(21/08/2021)
- smcl 4y agoI suspect Fabien also wants the option to play more recent ones than Diablo 2, otherwise he'd probably spring for a cheaper GPU than a Geforce 3060 Ti Founders Edition (which isn't expensive but it's not exactly bargain bucket)
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- chank 4y agoWith that setup, you can pretty much play almost all modern games too. I just built a very similar setup using the Lian Li A4 H20 and works just fine.
- glitchc 4y ago> All that to play a 20 year old game. Maybe I'm being thick and that's the joke? It's the remaster, not the original.
- dreen 4y agoIts not practical, but neither is building some weird car that does something cool but cant use actual roads
- Yoric 4y agoAh, for a moment, I thought this was about the [Mjölnir project](https://github.com/matrix-org/mjolnir/ https://github.com/matrix-org/mjolnir/) in Matrix-land.
- DrStartup 4y agoVery cool looking sff case https://thor-zone.com/mini-itx/ https://thor-zone.com/mini-itx/
- o_x 4y agoThe case is way too expensive for what it offers and there are much better alternatives out there (e.g. Formd T1 that someone linked above). I was ready to buy mjolnir few years ago, but while they couldn't decide on basic details (at the time it wasn't clear if the outer shell would be 1 piece of aluminum or multiple) and the competition seems to have delivered a much better range of products.
- jvanderbot 4y agoI have a Intel ECE and RTX 3060 in almost the same case as this one. The ECE is a mobo and intel processor in a GPU form factor[1]. It's quite small, but can tend to run hot and demand lots of fans. Luckily Intel has a tuning utility which is really useful, and I slightly under volt to run much cooler and quieter. For SFF, I can enthusiastically recommend the Intel ECE line. 1. https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/docs/boards-kits/nuc/gaming-compute-element.html https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/docs/boards...
- pja 4y agoMan, that cable routing looks fiendish. We could really do with a form factor that lets case manufacturers route this stuff internally for you, but getting the manufacturers to agree on a format & support it is probably not feasible sadly.
- BillinghamJ 4y agoThe NZXT H1 does exactly that :) virtually all the cables are prerouted
- pbalau 4y agoLTT had a stream building a computer using this case too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il556YxkdhA&t=1400s&ab_channel=LinusTechTips https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il556YxkdhA&t=1400s&ab_chann...
- ChuckNorris89 4y agoHa, classic PC gamer hobby. Spending over $1000 in hardware and hours in building it jut to play Diablo 2. I love it.
- Tepix 4y agoThe site is down, archive.org to the rescue: https://web.archive.org/web/20230125120035/https://fabiensanglard.net/mjolnir/index.html https://web.archive.org/web/20230125120035/https://fabiensan...
- HeadlessChild 4y agoAs long as Azure isn't down.
- m_mueller 4y agoIt's Microsoft, I'm sure it will never go down! *oh*
- freeCandy 4y agohttps://archive.md/DIsBr https://archive.md/DIsBr
- BillinghamJ 4y agoWould recommend the FormD T1 for this form factor. I think it has better compatibility & thermal design than this one, but not sure https://formdworks.com https://formdworks.com / https://www.reddit.com/r/FormD/ https://www.reddit.com/r/FormD/ I have the old T1 v1.1 (slightly smaller at 9.5L) - my current build has a 4090 FE & 5800X3D in it, all air cooled with excellent temps. There's a particular YouTuber who does a lot of reviewing of SFF cases: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTwie1pxuro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTwie1pxuro
- MrBuddyCasino 4y agoMy T1 package has been sitting on the shelf for months, will wait until the 7000 X3D models are available. I do hope the AM5 ITX mainboards will come down in price, the cheapest there is still costs 250€.
- BillinghamJ 4y agoI guess you'll need to be using an AIO for that? I previously had an AIO with the 5900X, but needed to switch to air cooling to allow for enough exhaust to keep the 4090 happy Although the 5800X3D technically has the same TDP, it seems that it pulls a lot less power for typical use, and is doing nicely with the Alpenföhn Black Ridge
- neogodless 4y agoCorsair 4000D with 2 exhaust fans, Corsair 360mm AIO for my 5900X (34° C idle, 42+ with any use). Radeon RX 6700 XT stays happy enough at 48-50°C idle and of course warmer during games. How hot was the 4090 getting?
- BillinghamJ 4y agoI didn't test it with the AIO in place, but with two Phanteks T30 fans as exhaust instead. In that config under GPU benchmarking for ~10 mins, the 4090 runs at about 70°C for the GPU and 80°C for the VRAM
- haarts 4y agoI have one. Beautiful. But bought a GPU that doesn't fit because the cabling of the GPU is just a bit too much. Stick with the GPUs Thor recommends.
- Tepix 4y agoThat is a very pretty small PC case! Talking about small cases, what's the smallest case anyone has gotten away with housing 2x RTX 3090 with adequate cooling?
- jermaustin1 4y agoI'm in the same boat. I have dual 3090s for gaming and AI, though I rarely ever utilize it for either anymore. I originally tried to stick them both in my pretty large case from BuildRedux, but it would overheat and shut off, so I just bought a mining "case" - basically flat steel bars rivetted together. It can supposedly hold 8 GPUs, but I only have my 2 3090s on it and even then, when they are both working on something, it kicks off a LOT of heat, but with a fan blowing on it, the GPUs never reach critical temperatures. Last winter, I had it in stored in my AC return closet, and used it for crypto heating, and my AC/Heat was just set to circulate. Kept our apartment at around 70F even when it was in the 30s and 40s outside.
- BillinghamJ 4y agoWith a custom loop liquid cooling setup, very very small. I'd think a case <12L, certainly <15L
- Tepix 4y agoThat would be amazing indeed. I have never dabbled with liquid cooling, this seems like a good reason to investigate.
- msurekci 4y agoAKA Jonathan
- turnsout 4y agoShoutout to you for this Apple deep cut! https://www.storiesofapple.net/the-jonathan-computer.html https://www.storiesofapple.net/the-jonathan-computer.html
- thoughtsimple 4y agoToo bad Apple's management was so timid. That could have changed the course of computing back in 1985. I had a Macintosh IIx and it was a great computer but I would have bought the Jonathon in a heartbeat back then. Thanks for the history, first I've heard of it.
- nikanj 4y agoIn my previous life, I built a SFFPC that packed workstation-level punch into a carry-on sized case. Then had a set of monitors+keyboard+mouse at each location I worked at. I was really sceptical when I built it, but it worked beautifully for 7 years. Used a SG13 case as the foundation. The only downside was intense interest from TSA agents
- chromakode 4y agoAnecdotally, I've found that TSA interest has decreased over time. I built a DAN A4 with an AIO cooler in 2019 and have flown over 10 times with it. My last 3 flights, I didn't get stopped at all.
- m0rissette 4y ago500 ISE
- neoberg 4y agoNvidia Founder's Ed. cards don't go well with sandwich style cases. The space behind the card heats as you use the pc and in turn causes the motherboard, cpu and other components to heat. If you're looking for a sff case for Founders Ed cards, I would recommend "Sliger Console". It's almost made for this type of cooling.
- awslattery 4y agoExterior aesthetic gives me Arris/Motorola Surfboard cable internet vibes.
- xwkd 4y agoWhich, in my opinion, isn't too bad for a cold and wholly inorganic thing meant to harness electricity for Diablos. I'm not sure that I've ever seen a beautiful PC. Technology in general is ugly. We do everything we can to hide its shameful guts. If you look at the most upvoted pictures on /r/battlestations, they're typically small desk jungle-scapes that are appealing in spite of, rather than because of, the box.
- stonemetal12 4y agoI always find it weird when people use the name "Mjolnir" for their products. In mythology it is a botched product. The reason why it looks like a sledge hammer with a short handle, is because it is. In the myth Loki pulled shenanigans while it was being forged so now Thor can't use the handle for leverage to give a full power blow with it.
- dale_glass 4y agoIn mythology pretty much everyone and everything is flawed. Gods tend to just be really powerful jerks to a large extent. But that may be the very point of the name -- it's a small package, but very powerful.
- scop 4y agoOne thing that struck me while reading The Iliad as an adult was how the gods' personalities and actions seemed to make the story more believable. What do I mean you ask? Well, they embodied many of the arbitrary and difficult-to-discern movements we encounter in life. Forces beyond our control and often beyond our cognition. By "believable" I don't mean "this is what happened" but rather "this accurately depicts the experience of life".
- seanhunter 4y agoYes. When I was a child and read Norse and Greek mythology I always thought about gods as "this is the god of love", "this is the god of thunder" etc. As an adult coming back to those myths I realised that the gods are given facets of human personality and are actually a lens through which to understand our own flaws and traits.
- heyflyguy 4y agoI want to see an overall build price!
- drunner 4y agoAlong the same line and even smaller is the DAN A4-SFX, just 7.2L internally. After 10 years, I recently built myself a new 'desktop' and used one of these and it truly is a 'desktop' now and sits in the corner of my desk as opposed to under it like my old tower. https://www.dan-cases.com/dana4.php https://www.dan-cases.com/dana4.php
- layer8 4y agoSee also here for an example build: https://blog.codinghorror.com/building-a-pc-part-ix-downsizing/ https://blog.codinghorror.com/building-a-pc-part-ix-downsizi...
- fsociety 4y agoDan's new C4-SFX case officially hit production today too, for anyone wanting to build an SFF that is future proof for tomorrow's giga-sized GPUs.
- archagon 4y agoOut of all the SFF cases I’ve looked at that are compatible with high-end GPUs, this one is the smallest while still remaining practical. I’ve been using mine with a slightly undervolted 3080 FE for the last 2 years, and while it runs a bit hot, it’s been otherwise a near-perfect little gaming machine.
- jitl 4y agoI'm in a DAN A4 (still using 1080 FE), but it seems like 40XX generation cards will never fit. Cards got so big they're almost the same size as the whole case!
- archagon 4y ago“In comparison to the RTX 3080 FE, the 4080 FE is 20mm longer, 25mm wider and a whopping 23mm thicker” Oof, yeah, the 3080 FE just barely fits.
- Toxide 4y agoFabien if you are reading this. What keyboard is that? It looks like you have removable switches given the gap, but the key caps also look quite thin making the gap more pronounced. Curious what you got going there.
- charles_f 4y agoI think it's missing the top half of the case, which is why the gap is so pronounced
- fabiensanglard 4y agoIt is a Blackwidow Lite with the dust cover that came with it.
- jokoon 4y agoI realized the problem with this format is that it will always be more expensive since desktop/gaming computer parts are never designed to be smaller. The main reason being cooling. Although there might be a lot of headroom to use gaming laptop parts. Honestly I'm not really ready to pay 50% more for a gaming setup with the same performance, especially since it will still be difficult and expensive to upgrade. So there's no good solution other than finding enough room for that gaming desktop. Personally I use a cheap durable laptop (thinkpad L series) for everything I do that doesn't require performance. I'm saving electricity and money.
- charles_f 4y agoCoincidentally, my barely-powerful-enough home server is called schinken, German for ham, which is fitting since it's half a hammer.
- jefftk 4y agoNice! It's sad that the machine they liked so much in 2020 is already obsolete: 2020-03-06: Hopefully, this machine will do for an other 20 years. Come back and check in 2040. -- https://fabiensanglard.net/the_beautiful_machine/ https://fabiensanglard.net/the_beautiful_machine/
- 0cf8612b2e1e 4y agoI do not think it is obsolete, just that his original design was inappropriate for his needs. The power supply + GPU are still more than adequate for any task that is not gaming or video rendering. A ten year old processor can do most anything you need.
- philistine 4y agoWhile his machine is no longer current, the dream of the fanless computer lives on very strong. The Macbook Air no longer has a fan and is a tiny little machine with strength to spare and passive cooling.
- 93po 4y agoThe Air doesn't work well at peak loads for extended periods of time. The use case is very different for gaming.
- fabiensanglard 4y agoAgreed this is sad. My plan was: - Do programming, articles/books writing, and web browsing on the DB4. - Game on the macbook pro (Mostly Blizzard games such as Starcraft and WoW). This plan crashed when Blizzard stopped releasing its games on mac. D2R did not get the treatment and D4 won't get it either.
- scns 4y agoIf you are ever annoyed by the noise, you can build a silent gaming rig with a mosterlabo case, needs more space though. Not affiliated, just a fan. https://www.monsterlabo.com https://www.monsterlabo.com
- LeSaucy 4y agoI wish activision blizzard still made mac versions of their games. Diablo 2 resurrected would probably run smooth as butter and be dead silent on an m2 mac mini.
- tgcordell 4y agoWhats even worse - they do make it for Switch, which is ARM based. A lot of the leg work has already been completed.
- dansalvato 4y ago> A lot of the leg work You mean arm work? ;) I could be wrong, but I think that a bigger hurdle than Apple Silicon itself is the Metal API, which seems to be the only reasonable graphics API to use for 3D games on Mac. Unless your game is also hitting iPad (Divinity: Original Sin 2) or you're entering some kind of partnership with Apple (Resident Evil Village, I'm speculating?), it's probably a big ask to either train your staff or hire devs to maintain a separate render pipeline to satisfy a relatively tiny market share. As a Mac user, I'd love to be proven wrong, and I hope that Apple's PR with Capcom is a sign that they're going to start putting more money into bolstering the Mac gaming landscape. IMO, this seems like a "throw money at it" kind of problem where Apple needs to make it financially viable to port games to their platform if we want to see it done for big titles.
- fabiensanglard 4y ago+200. I wonder what motivated this decision. Too little sales for too much investment?
- causality0 4y agoThe best GPU I could fit in (and cool down), a 1050 Ti, barely managed to run Diablo 2 Resurrected. He could've gotten better gaming performance by using any AMD APU with a 680m iGPU.
- fabiensanglard 4y agoDo you have benchmarks to backup this claim?
- causality0 4y agohttps://youtu.be/0DV7pW2p2ew https://youtu.be/0DV7pW2p2ew
- yakattak 4y agoI have an SFFPC myself, but I fear their days are numbered with the ridiculous sizes of GPUs these days. Sure, a 3060 fits in this, but that’s hardly a cutting edge card. I had to bend my Ncase M1 to fit my 3070 on top of deshrouding it. The fact that the FEs (and some Zotac two fans) are the only smaller sized versions of these cards makes me think the primary Nvidia partners like aren’t terribly interested in making the cards smaller because they fit fine in ATX cases. I hope I’m proven wrong with the 5000 series GPUs. I’d hate to have to upsize just to play current games.
- dansalvato 4y agoI have a Mjolnir and was able to fit a 3090 inside without any modifications to it, except for taking off a small, removable piece of plastic that was only there for aesthetics. The only issue is that the side panel does something weird to the airflow that makes the GPU fans really noisy, so I usually just keep that panel removed. In the first place, SFFPCs were always designed to fit desktop-sized parts in the smallest possible form factor. If the job of the designer is to maintain that trend, then even if GPUs get bigger, we'll see SFFPC cases appear that can fit those GPUs, for those who really want maximum performance. Still, I'd bet that the 3060 (soon 4060?) is the most popular GPU to find inside SFFPCs today.
- perihelions 4y agoI can never tell what I'm supposed to be optimizing personal PC workstations for. And at this point I'm too embarrased to ask. I like the ideas, in the abstract, of optimizing for extreme silence (zero moving parts in OP's previous DB4 build), or extreme compactness (like this oddity), and so forth. I'm sure they're all terribly wrong choices for me personally, but I'm glad other people are exploring them, that the solution space is well characterized.
- neogodless 4y ago> what I'm supposed to Pretty much it's personal. Either what you need for work or play, or what you want or some reasonable mix of those. Personally, I like overkill and tranquility (and value). I'm not 100% there, but I'm close, because I have a powerful (but not maximum performance) machine that produces a little noise (but nothing grating.) Someone that loves silence wouldn't like the slight hum, and someone that wants maximum quality 4K gaming or machine-learning wouldn't love the 10% performance I left on the table to save (quite) a few bucks (while reducing power and cooling requirements some.)
- VHRanger 4y agoThe truth is that you're much better off with an interior solution (taking a tradeoff between future expandability, budget, etc.) than a corner solution like extreme compactness
- irskep 4y agoI reproduced the parts list in PCPartPicker, including some manually entered price data: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/irskep/saved/x8Jxf7 https://pcpartpicker.com/user/irskep/saved/x8Jxf7 Comes out to about $2K USD. Just in case anyone's looking to do a similar build.