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> Tipping is about making sure the people who are performing that service for you are getting paid what they’re owed Here in AU we call that "wages". Having t
by ntr-- 4y ago
> Tipping is about making sure the people who are performing that service for you are getting paid what they’re owed
Here in AU we call that "wages".
Having to do quick maths while under social pressure and the threat of having your service quality degraded to make up for an employer or state being unwilling to pay workers enough to live might be called "coercion", but certainly it is externalising costs onto the customer.
- Insanity 4y agoAs a European living in Canada, the tipping culture took some time to get used to. It's such a stupid/bad system.
- JimtheCoder 4y agoAm Canadian, can confirm... I do wish there was a way to tip the drivers who deliver my Amazon Prime stuff, though. I don't want to tip someone who presses a few buttons on a screen to take my food order, that they usually mess up and sometimes add on a free side of bad attitude. I would like an easy way to tip the guy who is trudging through the snow to deliver my 2KG jar of peanut butter at 9:30pm in January. I like this guy...
- Insanity 4y agoFound this after a quick google but can't vouch for it: https://www.kiplinger.com/personal-finance/shopping/you-can-tip-your-amazon-driver-through-alexa https://www.kiplinger.com/personal-finance/shopping/you-can-... EDIT: seems like a limited program. But a more permanent one would be good
- jmugan 4y agoWouldn't that just continue to expand a bad practice? If drivers got tips, Amazon would lower their wages, and we'd just have another domain where we have to make extra decisions.
- JimtheCoder 4y agoThis may be true, but my calculus in this situation was limited to "Guy came through deep snow at 9:30pm to deliver peanut butter...he deserves some money, I have some money, I would like a simple and effective way to transfer it to him." (Note: I was not home when the delivery was made...)
- maerF0x0 4y agoYou already transferred money to "him". The problem is the employer is not forwarding it on.
- j-bos 4y ago>(Note: I was not home when the delivery was made...) If you know when an order is coming, you could copy some of the older folks I doordashed for. They often left money for the drivers in an envelope on the door.
- 8note 4y agoYou want to tip without Amazon finding out. Aka, cash, or venmo
- shusaku 4y agoPeople used to give money at Christmas to the postman
- p1esk 4y agoWe still do
- seanmcdirmid 4y agoAmazon Fresh has a tip system in place.
- car 4y agoAt least in the US, that would be drivr. https://drivr.life https://drivr.life https://techcrunch.com/2022/10/17/drivr-tips-last-mile-delivery-amazon https://techcrunch.com/2022/10/17/drivr-tips-last-mile-deliv...
- 34679 4y agoA bowl of hand warmers set outside, similar to a bowl of candy on Halloween, would be one way. In the summer, swap for a cooler with waters on ice.
- pseudo0 4y agoTipping in Canada is extra absurd. The minimum wage for servers and bartenders is the same as for regular workers (eg. $15.50 per hour in Ontario). But thanks to cultural osmosis from the US, 15-25% tips are also expected on top of that.
- kevin_thibedeau 4y agoUS tip workers also get full minimum wage. Tip workers who don't meet the minimum wage threshold on total earnings are compensated for the shortfall. The lower tip worker rate is a subsidy to business owners paid for by guilt tripping their customers.
- Semaphor 4y ago> US tip workers also get full minimum wage. Tip workers who don't meet the minimum wage threshold on total earnings are compensated for the shortfall. So they don’t get tips on top of the minimum wage.
- seanmcdirmid 4y agoIn states like Washington and I believe California, they get minimum wage at least before tips.
- roncesvalles 4y agoAnother way to see it is that the employer steals the first hours_worked*(minimum_wage-actual_wage) dollars from what the employee got in tips.
- 8note 4y agoThe expectation from the tipper is that the tips are unrelated to the wages. You could tip 10k, and they'd still be paid at least minimum wage by the employer
- digianarchist 4y agoTo be fair that's a recent change in Ontario (2022).
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- EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 4y agoIn southern Europe, automatic 10% tips are often included. But the server will whisper into your ear that he doesn't see any of those 10%, owner takes it all for herself.
- Dylan16807 4y agoWell, unless those areas have worse laws than the US somehow, make sure the server knows that at the very least they should sue the day they quit or get fired.
- hezralig 4y agoThis compulsion to threaten a lawsuit is such a quintessentially so American. For an American service worker, it also isn't realistic to carry out a lawsuit given that most are working paycheck to paycheck. Unfortunately, wage theft dwarfs petty theft in the United States due to economic inequality and the inaccessibility of the mostly pay2win American legal system, for the average worker. Millions of workers lose billions in stolen wages every year—nearly as much as all other property theft. [1] https://www.gq.com/story/wage-theft https://www.gq.com/story/wage-theft [1]
- Dylan16807 4y agoI didn't say threaten. And I didn't say "carry out a lawsuit". You can go to small claims court. Especially since you just lost that job; you can afford the few hours. I also said "at least", because this is just the plan B if labor enforcement won't do their job and get the money for you. But I assume you don't trust labor enforcement if your plan is to let that 10% get stolen and do nothing.
- kentrado 4y agoThat's the first time I ever heard of that. Maybe you just went to a bad place.
- tlamponi 4y agoWhere exactly? As Italian, I never saw this.
- ALittleLight 4y agoHeh, I was in Canada recently and asked a waiter "Do you tip here?" Apparently they do.
- blacksmith_tb 4y agoI can see the point of leaving a tip when a server has done a really good job (of course they should be paid a decent wage too). For me the annoying bit is being asked to tip before I have been served - I don't know yet if I would like to leave a big tip or a small one.
- hgsgm 4y agoSo you tip the cook when the cook does a really good job?
- blacksmith_tb 4y agoAt least in the cafes I worked in as an undergrad we split tips between the waitstaff and kitchen, which of course also sort of shifts around the "rewarding good service" aspect, but I think then you feel like you're letting down your coworkers if you piss off customers enough for them to tip badly.
- lotsofpulp 4y agoHow do you determine which labor there is a point to leaving a tip for and which labor there is not a point to leave a tip for?
- s1artibartfast 4y agoWhy does it matter? That isn't some kind of gotcha. I wouldn't mind if 100% of customer facing jobs were tipped. At worst, is an optional lower price to pay if you are dissatisfied or light on cash. Normally it is just I'm part of the price. I'm not sure why people would be so much happier paying 120% the price instead of 100% and then a 20% tip. It's all the same in the end
- yardstick 4y agoWould you tip an airline attendant who served you a meal/drink?
- hedora 4y agoThe US faced a dilemma: Post civil war, many people didn't want to pay freed slaves for their labor. A combination of tipping and converting jobs that were typically held by blacks to unpaid positions provided a solution. It became popular despite attempts to ban the practice. Today, tipped workers in the US are paid, but have a lower minimum wage than normal workers. Source: https://time.com/5404475/history-tipping-american-restaurants-civil-war/ https://time.com/5404475/history-tipping-american-restaurant... FWIW: Because I abhor the practice, I always tip 20%. If service is sufficiently bad, I tip 20% and never come back.
- BugsJustFindMe 4y ago> Today, tipped workers in the US are paid, but have a lower minimum wage than normal workers. Not in all states.
- Teknoman117 4y agoRelevant link: https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped.
- lotsofpulp 4y ago> Today, tipped workers in the US are paid, but have a lower minimum wage than normal workers. No, they have the same minimum wage as all workers. The employer is liable to pay the employee if tips + earnings from tipped min wage are less than earnings from non tipped minimum wage.
- SantalBlush 4y agoThat's not "the same minimum wage as all workers", that's an entirely different payment system--one that the person above was trying to describe.
- schwartzworld 4y agoThat's true on paper, but I worked as a server for like 12 years and never heard of it happening once. In contrast, I've had like 4 bosses who practiced wage theft.
- ugh123 4y ago> threat of having your service quality degraded Or even worse, be publicly outed by a waiter online because they didn't agree with the tipped amount (retrieving your full name from the CC receipt). Happens.
- cudgy 4y agoFoolish move. I’ll bet the restaurant owner loves (fires) the waiters for doing this. It hurts the restaurant and the waiters more than the single customer.