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Yes, from the police and police interactions. American police are unusually brutal anyways. Per capita, American police kill 3x more than Canada's police, and

Yes, from the police and police interactions. American police are unusually brutal anyways. Per capita, American police kill 3x more than Canada's police, and 60x times more than England's police.

rowanG077 4y ago
Right. So doesn't it make sense for someone to move to a different country where you don't have to fear the police?
- krapp 4y ago
  Aren't Japanese police just as likely to target "the foreigner" in the neighborhood anyway? They're not going to shoot on sight the way an American cop would but their ability (and legal leeway) to extract confessions is infamous.
  - rowanG077 4y ago
    Maybe, but that's an irrelevant metric. I'd still expect the absolute percentage chance of becoming a police victim to be much, much smaller.
- hungryforcodes 4y ago
  Everytime I talk with other non-Americans about traveling in the US one of the main fears that comes up all the time is fear of the police. So I can't imagine the Japanese police being nearly as much a cause of concern and or fear.
  - ryan_lane 4y ago
    I think people should have a rational fear of police everywhere, including Japan. Police have a state given power over you, and that can be abused no matter where you are. Japan isn't perfect here. Your rights when dealing with the police here are different (and not in a better way). You do not have the right to remain silent, and your silence can be used against you. They can keep you in jail for ~30 days without charges. It's an open secret that the police can and do beat prisoners to get confessions out of them. That said, if I had to chose an interaction between the Japanese police and the US police, I'd take the Japanese police every single time.
    - hungryforcodes 4y ago
      Yeah, interesting!
- therealdrag0 4y ago
  Police interactions are quite infrequent among non-criminally adjacent people. Keep in mind lots of those policing minorities are minorities themselves. Police kill thousands of white people too. So in a sense your question is why doesn’t everyone leave America because of fear of police?
- HyperSane 4y ago
  Only if you are a criminal. Don't point a gun at a cop and you won't get killed by one. If you don't break laws or speed you will not actually interact with cops in the US. I'm 45 and the only times I have ever interacted with police is when I got pulled over for speeding, or something wrong with my car.
  - blondin 4y ago
    the very first time i am going to bring race in a hn comment. you are not black or a minority, are you? systemic targeting is a thing. exarcerbated by media portrayal. it is a real mess that affects real people.
    - HyperSane 4y ago
      If you are trying to argue that a person's behavior has no effect on how likely they are to be killed by a cop then you are just completely wrong.
      - ryandrake 4y ago
        Without putting words in their mouth, I think they are arguing that in the US, one’s skin color plays a larger role than their behavior, when it comes to whether their interaction with the police results in brutality or not. While they are both factors, one is a stronger predictor than the other. If I’m pulled over while being white and I cooperate, I’m probably getting the ticket and going on my way. Worst case the cop is having a bad day and wants to escalate, they arrest me for something. If I’m black, worst case I’m going to the morgue. Average case is going to be worse if I’m black, all other things (including my attitude) being equal.
        HyperSane 4y ago
        "one’s skin color plays a larger role than their behavior" When it comes to actually getting killed by cops I don't think this is true. The vast majority of people killed by cops are doing something very foolish like pointing a gun at them or rushing them with a knife.
Aeolun 4y ago
Are US criminals also 60x more violent? I feel like these stats are related. You can probably correlate them with guns and economy in some way as well.
- parker_mountain 4y ago
  According to various statistics, crime rates in the US are between 25% less than England, and up to 20% more. An incredibly massive distance from 60x.
nradov 4y ago
Do those Canadian police killing numbers include the 75 or so indigenous people that they intentionally dumped outside to freeze to death? https://allthatsinteresting.com/starlight-tours https://allthatsinteresting.com/starlight-tours

Yes, from the police and police interactions. American police are unusually brutal anyways. Per capita, American police kill 3x more than Canada's police, and 60x times more than England's police.

rowanG077 4y ago

Right. So doesn't it make sense for someone to move to a different country where you don't have to fear the police?

krapp 4y ago
Aren't Japanese police just as likely to target "the foreigner" in the neighborhood anyway? They're not going to shoot on sight the way an American cop would but their ability (and legal leeway) to extract confessions is infamous.
- rowanG077 4y ago
  Maybe, but that's an irrelevant metric. I'd still expect the absolute percentage chance of becoming a police victim to be much, much smaller.
hungryforcodes 4y ago
Everytime I talk with other non-Americans about traveling in the US one of the main fears that comes up all the time is fear of the police. So I can't imagine the Japanese police being nearly as much a cause of concern and or fear.
- ryan_lane 4y ago
  I think people should have a rational fear of police everywhere, including Japan. Police have a state given power over you, and that can be abused no matter where you are. Japan isn't perfect here. Your rights when dealing with the police here are different (and not in a better way). You do not have the right to remain silent, and your silence can be used against you. They can keep you in jail for ~30 days without charges. It's an open secret that the police can and do beat prisoners to get confessions out of them. That said, if I had to chose an interaction between the Japanese police and the US police, I'd take the Japanese police every single time.
  - hungryforcodes 4y ago
    Yeah, interesting!
therealdrag0 4y ago
Police interactions are quite infrequent among non-criminally adjacent people. Keep in mind lots of those policing minorities are minorities themselves. Police kill thousands of white people too. So in a sense your question is why doesn’t everyone leave America because of fear of police?
HyperSane 4y ago
Only if you are a criminal. Don't point a gun at a cop and you won't get killed by one. If you don't break laws or speed you will not actually interact with cops in the US. I'm 45 and the only times I have ever interacted with police is when I got pulled over for speeding, or something wrong with my car.
- blondin 4y ago
  the very first time i am going to bring race in a hn comment. you are not black or a minority, are you? systemic targeting is a thing. exarcerbated by media portrayal. it is a real mess that affects real people.
  - HyperSane 4y ago
    If you are trying to argue that a person's behavior has no effect on how likely they are to be killed by a cop then you are just completely wrong.
    - ryandrake 4y ago
      Without putting words in their mouth, I think they are arguing that in the US, one’s skin color plays a larger role than their behavior, when it comes to whether their interaction with the police results in brutality or not. While they are both factors, one is a stronger predictor than the other. If I’m pulled over while being white and I cooperate, I’m probably getting the ticket and going on my way. Worst case the cop is having a bad day and wants to escalate, they arrest me for something. If I’m black, worst case I’m going to the morgue. Average case is going to be worse if I’m black, all other things (including my attitude) being equal.
      - HyperSane 4y ago
        "one’s skin color plays a larger role than their behavior" When it comes to actually getting killed by cops I don't think this is true. The vast majority of people killed by cops are doing something very foolish like pointing a gun at them or rushing them with a knife.

Aeolun 4y ago

Are US criminals also 60x more violent? I feel like these stats are related. You can probably correlate them with guns and economy in some way as well.

parker_mountain 4y ago
According to various statistics, crime rates in the US are between 25% less than England, and up to 20% more. An incredibly massive distance from 60x.

nradov 4y ago

Do those Canadian police killing numbers include the 75 or so indigenous people that they intentionally dumped outside to freeze to death? https://allthatsinteresting.com/starlight-tours https://allthatsinteresting.com/starlight-tours