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There are two problems with this. The first is that facts are useless without context. For example, the answer to "Were Jewish people overrepresented in financ
by crote 4y ago
There are two problems with this.
The first is that facts are useless without context. For example, the answer to "Were Jewish people overrepresented in finance during the middle ages in Europe" is "yes" - it is a well-researched historical fact. However, that misses the context that the majority Christian population was forbidden by their religion to lend money, essentially making the Jewish population the only people who could act as bankers. At the same time, Jewish people were barred from many other professions. Without that context the fact is useless and misrepresents reality.
The second is that ChatGPT is trained on basically the entire internet, including a wide range of conspiracy theories. It isn't a database filled with facts, nor was it ever intended to. It'll happily parrot whatever complete nonsense was also part of its training set.
AI simply hasn't progressed enough to properly understand the context in which it operates. As Microsoft's Tay demonstrated, uncontrolled AI will quickly end up outputting the most racist things you have ever seen on the internet - which is Really Bad if you are the company creating that AI. Until we make significant technological advances, the only way to avoid it is to intentionally censor the output.
- nhchris 4y agoThe questions weren't about the middle ages. They explicitly specified the US finance industry. Furthermore, it was perfectly willing to provide "facts without context" for other groups.
- freejazz 4y agoSo? We also don't live in the middle ages and the reality of our lives today is that many people believe in these antisemitic tropes which spread in these fashions.
- DontchaKnowit 4y agoYou're doing the same bullshit chatgpt was doing. Its fine to say white people are overrepresented but for some reason its am antisemetic trope to say Jews are overrepresented in finance. Both statements are factual. No ones being antisemetic or anti white. Just stating facts.
- freejazz 4y agoI didn't say anyone was being anti-semitic did I, let alone chatGPT? My point is that you can't play daft about why chatGPT is doing what it is doing. You can contextualize them as just simple facts all you want, but one is a tool used to spread hateful rhetoric about Jews without context.
- DontchaKnowit 4y agoJust because something can be used in an evil way does not make it untrue and it doesnt make it it inherently wrong to talk about. In fact, I hear anti white propoganda all the time, part of which is the fact that whites are overrepresented in finance. The hypocrisy is insane.
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- DontchaKnowit 4y agoI never said white people are favcing a prejudice equivalent to Jews. Thats obviously a stupid ass take to have. Im just saying that it doesnt make sense that chatgpt would just refuse to tell the truth in this instance because that truth could be used as propoganda. And the same argument can be applied to its statements about white people but since white people are on easy street according to the political zeitgeist it will cough up facts about them all day long regardless of how those facts paint white people. Which imo is good, a fact is a fact. Just saying the same thing should be true across all races if we want chatgpt to be a legitimately useful tool for anything other than propogandizing.
- freejazz 4y ago>In fact, I hear anti white propoganda all the time, part of which is the fact that whites are overrepresented in finance. You are the one offering white prejudice as if it was some sort of reasonable response to why chatGPT doesn't participate in furthering jewish stereotypes... not me. It was your stupid ass response, not mine. >Im just saying that it doesnt make sense that chatgpt would just refuse to tell the truth in this instance because that truth could be used as propoganda. Your own question answers itself. It's incredibly sensible why chatGPT doesn't answer those questions. It's not that it doesn't make sense. It makes perfect sense. You might not agree with it, but it makes perfect sense. > And the same argument can be applied to its statements about white people but since white people are on easy street according to the political zeitgeist it will cough up facts about them all day long regardless of how those facts paint white people. Lol and again you basically equivocate antisemitism to "white prejudice" just immediately after you insisted you did no such thing! The white prejudice you talk about is completely made up. Maybe that's one reason why chatGPT doesn't answer those questions the same way.
- oceanplexian 4y ago> Without that context the fact is useless and misrepresents reality. I don't think that this is necessarily true. The hypothetical fact in question- "At a certain point in history, Jewish people were overrepresented in finance" doesn't imply any bias. If this was a response provided by an AI it would be working as well as an encyclopedia or a history book, especially if the user asked for a concise answer. The computer didn't cause harm, the reader didn't cause harm, the language is neutral and to the point. The user has agency and can ask follow up questions. The people assuming that the reader needs curated "context" are themselves biased. It's manipulative in the same way that voice assistants like Alexa try to manipulate you, for example, when you ask it to turn off the lights, it then volunteers "context" about how easy it is to buy products on Amazon.
- smsm42 4y agoThis is the consequence of the perpetual outrage culture, which leads to moral cowardice. You can't just talk about the facts and rely on people being adults and treating them responsibly by considering context. You are afraid someone somewhere will make a wrong conclusion - and it will be your fault, how did you dare to say something without 20 disclaimers, trigger warnings and equivocations?! If you said something about some group that somebody could use in a bad faith way - you are the phobe and commit violence, unless you perform ritual purification of your statement first. It's a horrible way to conduct things.