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Apple Silicon Mac’s have 2-3 times longer battery than PC laptops
- breck 4y agoI've had my M1s for over 2 years and not a day goes by that I don't think "Thank you Apple, this has made my life better." Absolute game changer. Has helped me do things that were previously impossible.
- nop_slide 4y agoExcept their OS updates reduce their battery by 2-3 times effectively zeroing out any gains. I have a 14" M1 MBP that was doing just dandy until Ventura came along and now my battery life is a joke. It drains a ton from just light coding sessions (I'm talking 30% in 90 mins or so).
- smodo 4y agoThe M1 at its introduction was a little too good at its price point. The cynic in me says it will get hamstrung in software by piling on a lot of useless ‘ML’-crap in the OS that makes it perceivably slower. I’ve had my M1 laptop for two years and it still feels like it just came out of the box. I’m holding off on Ventura for as long as I can. The page showing the new features for MacOS is a laughable piece of marketing, trying desperately to find added value or frame things as such.
- alexchantavy 4y agoWhat’s bad about Ventura? I’m out of the loop
- highwaylights 4y agoThe settings page doesn't work for one thing. Not badly designed (which I believe it is), but it just plain is a buggy mess. I've also had to manually fix permissions problems on directories that in the UI do not show as granted, but are actually enabled and allowing file reads/writes (the UI is just showing that permissions haven't been granted when they have, which is incredibly dangerous).
- vehemenz 4y agoI don't mind the new organization of System Settings.app, but the search field is extremely slow and doesn't always return a sensible top result. I was skeptical of it at first, but I think it was probably the right direction, assuming they continue improve it.
- nhubbard 4y agoPeople have been hating on the new System Settings app (a messy redesign that violates Apple's own design guidelines) and how almost every other enhancement is really minor. However, I've really enjoyed Ventura, because of the following (non-exhaustive list): * As a Mac admin: enterprise managed updates actually work compared to Monterey! * As a Mac developer: SwiftUI graphics rendering is significantly faster, closing in on AppKit levels of performance with no changes required! As a regular user: * A battery life leak that I noticed with Monterey 12.6.1 was fixed and my battery life became much better * The Weather app is absolutely amazing * Live Text is even better than before One issue that's been irking me is that I've had a lot more accidental Siri triggers while talking to other people, and even while watching movies and videos through the speakers. I'm going to re-do the Hey Siri set up to see if it fixes the issue.
- geerlingguy 4y agoLike most software these days it changed a lot of stuff, added a bunch of features, and while doing so introduced more instability. Apple really needs another 10.6 "Snow Leopard" style release: no new features, just stability and speed.
- Tempest1981 4y agoMy favorite "Walt Mossberg" review of 10.6: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W-ygu6_aDc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W-ygu6_aDc
- aliqot 4y agoIt reduced battery life and consumes more resources for me on m2. I do roughly the same thing every day, so I'm used to when I need to plug in and can plan accordingly. Ventura has higher resource usage, and I need to plug up 70-90 minutes earlier, though sometimes up to 120 mins earlier.
- m_mueller 4y agowould have loved to hold off on ventura, but the lack of security updates (and compliance reqs by my employer) is what got me... this is one of the areas where Apple is really bad. no security updates on the N-1 generation OS immediately after new one is released??
- easton 4y ago> no security updates on the N-1 generation OS immediately after new one is released?? They definitely do ship software updates (and Safari updates), they’re just more selective about it. 0-days and whatever are usually patched.
- m_mueller 4y agoWell there was at least one that got a CVE, thus landed on our cybersec radar, and Apple only provided an update (at least initially) for Ventura.
- ericpauley 4y agoHave you looked at CPU/energy utilization of applications during this? It could very well be that some update to your workflow is causing increased consumption you're not aware of.
- nop_slide 4y agoyep it seems like the most CPU/energy is PyCharm/iTerm/Docker. This is the same set of tools and workflow I was using pre-ventura and I can very much notice the hit.
- John23832 4y agoContrarian anecdote... My M1 16" MBP has the best laptop I've ever had (and I have had quite a few). And I develop full time (lots of big Java, Go and Rust builds). No battery issues at all. While I'd love to be able to go back to my Thinkpad Debian life, the idea of leaving the combination of a great screen, superb battery life, large developer ecosystem, and (newly, the butterfly keys were trash) ok keyboard would make me want to cry. To get my linux fix, I just use Multipass.
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- highwaylights 4y ago"the butterfly keys were trash" The butterfly keys were a brilliant system that was objectively better than the keys they replaced (and were in turn replaced by). Unfortunately, people preferred the "feel" of the old keys (myself included). They also broke constantly and expensively in the early generations (although Apple picked up the tab on this in the end).
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- adgjlsfhk1 4y ago"They were a brilliant system" yes. They were great at getting people to buy new laptops when their old ones broke.
- esskay 4y agoJokes on Apple. They replaced mine 4 times under UK consumer law, each time needing to give me practically a whole new laptop shell.
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- paines 4y agoI think there was an update in the past which drained the battery more than it should have BUT now since the latest update I have the feeling that the power consumption is even better utilized than it has been ever before on the 14". I watched Netflix for hours and hours and hours on the weekend. PS: I switched from Safari to Chrome. Not sure how big the impact is on the battery in regards of media streaming.
- brookst 4y agoSomething is wrong with your hardware or software.
- tluyben2 4y agoNot in my experience. You must be running something that is not agreeing with some Ventura change?
- nop_slide 4y agoMajority of the energy use appears to come from PyCharm/iTerm/Docker which is the same workflow I've had since pre ventura but with a noticeable battery hit now.
- cirrus3 4y agoSomething else is going on specific to you. If this were a widespread thing for everyone it would big news, it isn't.
- nop_slide 4y agoGoogling "Ventura battery drain" yields quite a few results.
- esskay 4y agoCant say I've had the same experience. Venturas had zero noticable impact on my battery life and I leave it on battery almost all day whilst doing software dev.
- diimdeep 4y agoApple deserve more market share. "People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAfTXYa36f4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAfTXYa36f4
- mikedelago 4y agoI would prefer a Linux machine with similar hardware features over a Mac. Honestly, if they just said "alright, we'll let you install linux and make it easy and the hardware should work fine", I'd probably buy one right now.
- iillexial 4y agoMac with Linux support would be the best tech product ever.
- JoshTko 4y agoAnyone know the market size of folks who want linux support on Mac hardware?
- mikedelago 4y agoI think it's less of Mac hardware specifically, and more of the quality of their hardware. The best Linux users can do (for a laptop) is a Thinkpad (as they officially have support from Lenovo) or one of the more boutique brands (system76, starlabs, purism) and at best (my opinion, Thinkpads) they trade blows with Apple hardware. As far as desktops go, building a computer for Linux is simple and easy and doesn't really have that many problems in my experience.
- jonhohle 4y agoWhat is the advantage of Apple supported Linux over XNU?
- gtirloni 4y agoDon't they already? Asahi Linux, etc. It just doesn't have the greatest support (drivers). I think you'd like Apple to provider proper documentation or even their own Linux drivers. That'd cannibalize macOS so I don't see that happening.
- mhb 4y agoThinkpad X220 has 500 times better keyboard than X.
- andsoitis 4y agoBattery life can be measured and compared more objectively.
- tomrod 4y agoAnd when it's all you got, point it out often! I kid. I use a Mac for work and it's okay. I prefer Linux, but it is what it is.
- mhb 4y agoYes and so can how thin a device is. So here we are.
- MrOwnPut 4y agoA dead battery is more of an issue than varying levels of thinness. Battery life, for a portable device, is probably the most important metric.
- tluyben2 4y agoI use daily both an MacBook Air m1 and x220. I have the 9 cell for the x220 and run Linux on it. Battery life for the most work (I do) is similar on both. There are some interesting cases; running Docker drains the m1 (only ARM images) faster than the x220 and doing typescript work drains the x220 faster than the m1.
- nottorp 4y agoAfaik on Mac OS Docker starts up a large Linux VM and has that run the containers, while on Linux it uses the base OS for that. x86 or arm, it's the same. That explains the extra battery usage (and RAM) on Mac OS vs Linux.
- rvz 4y agoOf course it does. No contest on optimized battery life with MacBooks. Or the trackpad, or keyboard, or screen, and performance all in a very lightweight machine that just works.
- gruez 4y ago>No contest on optimized battery life with MacBooks. Or the trackpad, or keyboard, or screen, and performance one is not like the others
- maleldil 4y agoYour comment is unclear. Which one is different?
- gruez 4y agoThe keyboard, because of its low key travel and proneness to breaking.
- dijit 4y agoLikely the keyboard, as there was a massive controversy for half-a-decade. The modern (2020+) Apple laptop keyboards are excellent for the profile. Though nothing will compare to thicker keyboards, like the 2010's era thinkpads and elitebooks.
- rabuse 4y agoMy favorite keyboards were definitely the 2012-early 2015 on the Macs. The fastest I've ever been able to type on a keyboard.
- steveylang 4y agoThe best of all time IMO were the old G4 silver Powerbook keyboards. The response felt great (both tactile and cushioned?), and the scalloped keys felt great to the fingers. That keyboard was probably too thick for the modern era though.
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- jrochkind1 4y agoI have been pretty amazed by how long my new macbook pro battery lasts.
- itg 4y agoAnd I can keep my non-apple laptops for longer b/c I can upgrade ram and storage and easily put in a a new battery when needed.
- akmarinov 4y agoThose are some chonky laptops I assume.
- nehal3m 4y agoThat’s a non sequitur. Repairable / upgradable doesn’t exclude a sleek design. See high end business notebooks or the Framework laptop.
- gs17 4y agoI had an ASUS that was only marginally thicker than a MPB with upgradable ram and storage (which puts it miles ahead of the MBA I ran out of both on immediately despite using it for almost nothing). The battery was likely also replacable, I just never tried.
- geerlingguy 4y agoOn the flip side, I've sold every one of my old Apple laptops, usually for a few hundred bucks at least after 4-6 years of use. After 4-6 years I can get maybe $100 or a little more for any of the Lenovo and Dell laptops I owned. Apple laptops depreciate much slower.
- javaunsafe2019 4y agoApple stops giving you software updates after seven years which makes such a device unusable for normal use (browsing, banking, coding etc). Also the ssd will fail sooner or later.
- gt565k 4y agoat the 7 year mark you should probably get a new laptop... really at the 5 year mark unless you got a top of the line machine.
- m_st 4y agoI can confirm that various Dell XPS 15 models and Microsoft Surface Book 2 and 3 models are just not usable without the power plug for my software development (and very rare gaming) needs. I also need the power plug for a simple thing like a Microsoft Teams meeting that last longer than one hour. Compare that to my MacBook Air M1 which runs for a full day easily. Also, standby works. With Dell I learned it's better to always shut down.
- wlesieutre 4y agoSleep mode is really bad. I had a Surface Pro 3 which was the first iteration of "connected standby" and it would run the battery down while sleeping in less than a day. I was borrowing a newer Surface Pro from work more recently and hoped with the additional years of development they would have managed to fix it. Sadly not.
- wlesieutre 4y agoShould add it was newer but not current, maybe they've got sleep figured out by now. But it was really surprising to me with the Surface Pro 3 because for years you'd been hearing "Microsoft can't make sleep work as well as Apple because they're stuck dealing with hardware and drivers from 3rd parties" and it turns out 3 generations into their own hardware venture it still sucked just as much. Connected Standby was probably a large step back even.
- skratlo 4y agoSure, but how will the MacBook hold when it's as old as your Dell?
- mikestew 4y agoI have no reason to believe my current M1 MBP won’t last as long as my 2012 MBP that’s still running. Why, do you suspect a MacBook isn’t going to last as long as a Dell laptop? I’d love to hear the reasoning for that one.
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- blinkingled 4y agoI am wondering why anyone at Intel/AMD/Asus/Dell and Microsoft etc are not realizing that there is low hanging fruit to be had in battery life department on current x86 hardware. The reviewer makes a decent effort with his more limited capability than PC industry giants to discover that Windows is boosting the single core to its max TDP for single core browsing workloads resulting in very high power consumption. Basically scheduling strategy from desktops and servers used as-is on laptops! And easily fixable in software! SoC power consumption is the remaining bottleneck - that's not as easy but still if CPU/SoC/BIOS vendors and OEMs came together it would not be all that harder to fix that. These two fixes would put x86 into a very competitive place in laptop battery life department - it's not ARM vs x86, it's the integration pieces. Mind boggling that nothing is being done by PC makers.
- rsynnott 4y ago> it's not ARM vs x86, it's the integration pieces Eh, I'm not sure how true that is. There are no doubt improvements that could be made, but, well, compare battery life on an ARM Mac to a related x86 Mac; it is night and day.
- blinkingled 4y agoI am not sure if you watched the video - but the improvements in the 2 areas that he points out (stop single core boosting to tdp and turn off more unused SoC I/O components on idle) already gets x86 very close to M1 power consumption.
- Maursault 4y ago> but, well, compare battery life on an ARM Mac to a related x86 Mac; it is night and day. If I turn the screen all the way down so nothing can be seen, I can peg the processor constantly at 100% of my Intel Mac and still get 10 hours of battery life. The only caveat is that it's a 2010 Core 2 Duo, and what it does in 10 hours an M1 can probably do in 10 minutes.
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- DDayMace 4y agoSoCs, ARM especially, are the future I don't doubt. I am thankful Apple is pushing the industry to advance. But :-) until these kind of battery advancements trickle down to Linux and Windows, I really don't care to be in Apple Prison(TM) as a trade-off. Also, Apple has a long and storied history of specification marketing hyperbole, so I am extremely skeptical these chips will get 'real-world' 2x battery life. I will keep building my cased x86 behemoths and refurbished Thinkpads as long as there is stock available :-) Hmm, where did that rotary phone go...
- jki275 4y agoIt's amazingly true. And it's not 2x, it's 3-5x depending on workload. I've got an i9 MBP, and I've been using an M1 MBP for the last year for work. The M1 I don't even need to plug in, I can work with it for 2-3 days on a single charge, the i9 I essentially run plugged in all the time. Also the fans never even start on the M1. They run a LOT on the i9 and it throttles and gets very hot often due to my workloads. Apple may have a history, as you say, and I wish they'd publish more quantitative metrics -- but this thing really works. It's life changing.
- friedman23 4y agoBut this isn't marketing, it's a review with battery life benchmarks with a variety of scenarios...
- esskay 4y agoThe 'real world' battery genuinely is at least 2x (most of the time WAY more)...thats not marketing hyperbole, its real-world people doing real-world jobs telling you.
- vehemenz 4y agoWhat is your take on the "Apple prison" metaphor? I hear this a lot, but I can install whatever I want on my Mac and have zero issues doing what I need to. It's true that iOS is a walled garden. I suppose if you have serious work to do on a smartphone without a keyboard, then the limitations could feel like a prison. I question how many people need to do this and wouldn't have a laptop handy, but that's just me.
- partiallypro 4y agoI think battery power is important, but realistically in terms of a laptop (not a phone) how often are you not near a power source? I don't really think it is a top priority once you reach a certain point of battery longevity. ARM is always going to have a battery advantage over x86/x64, it would make more sense to compare the M2 to a PC using ARM anyhow.
- DIVx0 4y agoEven though it seems like a minor thing, it is pretty liberating to just close up your laptop and carry it around without also carrying a power brick. Even if you're the type who always has a bag and does not mind carrying extra cords, it still is liberating to not have to hunt around for a power outlet. Just set up in the most convenient/comfy place and get to work.
- partiallypro 4y agoI can work for 4-6 hours on battery anywhere, after that I have to charge. That's with a Surface Pro i7. My point is that how often are you going without recharging your battery to begin with and how often are you not within reach of a plug? At some point it is no longer a top priority for most consumers. Also comparing x86 chips to ARM chips is nonsensical when it comes to battery, given the ARM will ALWAYS win. It's not even a discussion. Why that is downvoted is insane. The performance is less about "Apple silicon" and more about ARM having a massive advantage on power consumption. Compare it to a PC with an ARM chip, it will still beat it across the board but at least it will have been a fair comparison.
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago> it is pretty liberating to just close up your laptop and carry it around without also carrying a power brick With USB-C (thanks EU!) that's not a problem anymore, you can bet someone else already brought it or the coworking/bar/friends house/whateverplace has a spare one.
- vehemenz 4y agoIf you're working in a place without power, in remote areas, older buses/trains, construction sites, etc., 2-3x battery life is a godsend.
- Waterluvian 4y agoI got an M1 for work and my very quick good/bad review: It kind of sucks how much stuff wouldn't work on it without special install/compile from source instructions. But that's mainly just growing pains that go away. There's also the issue that WASM multithreading basically does not work on M1 yet[1]. But, I am in love with a laptop that runs for days (of my 3-4 hours per day usage) without needing to be charged. I look at that laptop like my Kindle more than my phone: charging it is this occasional chore, not a daily "must get plugged in." I cannot quite articulate why, but this is such an awesome thing that's changed my behaviour patterns. It just sits there and I pull it up, use it, shut it, and put it down. I'll see "20% battery life" and think, "I'd better charge it tomorrow" rather than "I'd better interrupt everything I'm doing and move to an un-ergonomic location so that I can sit a hotplate on my lap while it charges." I also love that it doesn't make noise or get hot. Oh and another curious weirdness: when I open the lid in the morning, the cursor only moves at 30fps until I close the lid and re-open it. [1] https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=1228686#c34 https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=122868...
- fmajid 4y agoI wish mine were slightly less efficient. Sometimes it's nice to have a warm laptop on your lap in winter, not a frigid slab of aluminum :-)
- metadat 4y agoYeah, the cold slab is always a shock. You can get it to warm up pretty quickly by running a local instance of Stable Diffusion or any CPU intensive task.
- fellellor 4y agoI have PTSD from melting laptops so I often find myself checking the surface temp of my M2 air to reassure myself that this is real. On the occasions when it heats up a little - when I'm running 3 instances of intellij, a couple instances of vscode, some 20 tabs in chrome, 50 tabs in Safari in addition to Slack, and maybe a youtube video to just get away from it all - it is a bit disconcerting to me.
- Mikeb85 4y agoIt's not exactly a revelation that ARM chips are more efficient than x86... It would be nice if someone other than Apple put some real effort into non-x86 laptops but here we are... Of course, I'm still never going to be stuck in Apple's walled garden, my laptop that only lasts 6-8 hours is still "good enough". Also shoutout to Fedora and GNOME, the "power saver" profile literally doubles battery life without any noticeable difference in performance.
- IMTDb 4y agoI understand the whole "stuck in walled garden" part when talking about iOS. But exactly which executables have you not been able to run on OSX because Apple prevented you to do so ?
- Mikeb85 4y agoLots of ML workloads on GPU and Vulkan stuff. Edit - Apple's lockdown is getting worse when it comes to APIs and there's definitely no guarantee macOS won't become as locked down as iOS...
- koinedad 4y agoGetting an M1 MacBook has been a game changer. Rarely do I have battery anxiety! I just wish I would have got the higher ram in retrospect.
- indymike 4y agoThat is one place where Mac needs to improve, largely because you end up using VMs instead of containers to simulate your favorite container platform for development.
- esskay 4y agoAbsolutely love my (completely base model) M1 Air, and my M1 Pro MBP supplied by work. Both have shockingly amazing battery life. My work one was replacing a 2016 Macbook Pro which struggled to last more than a couple of hours when I was doing dev work, all whilst trying to reach orbit with its fans. I've never heard the fans kick in on the new one. As for the Air, I thought I'd be crippling myself a bit by only going fot the basic 8GB RAM model, and other than when I installed a copy of Premier Pro and tried rendering something it's been amazing - even then it rendered fine, just took a fair bit more time than on a pro. I'm not sure I could go back to an overheating, crappy Intel "Mobile" based laptop - they shouldn't even be allowed to call those things mobile chips at this point, they're utterly shite.
- arachnid92 4y agoSame experience here. I have a 16" M1 MBP for work (mostly Go and Rust development), and it's the best computer I've ever had. It's a beast that can handle anything thrown at it without even spinning the fans up, it's insane. It's closely followed by my personal 16GB M1 MBAir which I am currently basically only using as a LaTeX machine to write my PhD thesis on. The Air in particular has AMAZING battery life, I can go days and days without charging it while using it for several hours a day. It's also faster and more responsive than my previous i7 tower with 32GB RAM, and that's saying something.
- seiferteric 4y agoThis is actually probably the best comparison Latest Intel Mac MBP to M1/M2 MBP. A lot of discussion here is about windows and OEMs not doing enough. If that were the case, then why couldn't Apple work their magic on intel Macs? They had pretty crap battery life & performance too compared to their new stuff. I doubt they would have gone through the work of developing their own processor if it were just a matter of getting power states and clock boosting right in the software...
- steveylang 4y agoThe last few years of Apple notebook revisions have been pretty incremental, until the M1 arrived. I was happy using 3-4 year old MBA's because the user experience was not that different, but the M1 models were a night and day difference- better battery life and better performance, cooler operation with no fan. Seems practically impossible- if not technically then definitely from a business standpoint (why were these potential gains unrealized for so long?)
- dbg31415 4y agoI have a 2019 MacBook Pro with an Intel processor. I have a 2021 MacBook Pro with an Apple processor. One is a work machine, the other is my personal machine. --- Things I love about the 2021... The keyboard is just spot on perfect. No stupid touch bar. It feels good to type on too. It has MagSafe again. It doesn't get hot. The Intel MBP has real heat issues. It sucks to use it on my lap, or lying down. MBPs get really hot on video calls... and I spend all my time on video calls. For comparison, I shut everything down on the two machines and video called one from the other... and the 2019 had over 3x power usage on video calls. Also it didn't heat up! The screen is "burn a hole in your eyes at night if you forget to dim it a bit" bright. It's amazingly bright. I thought the notch would be annoying but if anything now the entire top of the 2019 feels like a notch. Meh. I don't care about the notch, it's never gotten in the way. And if anything the consistent black space around the monitor on the 2021 makes me really noticed how the 2019 has more black space on the top than it does on the sides. The battery can go all day. Like no joke. And what's awesome is when I travel for work I don't even bring the charge brick with me. I know it seems like a small thing, but it means I can just use a smaller "sleeve" style case and it just makes traveling a little easier. One less thing I have to lug around on a day-flight. --- Things I miss about the 2019... The case on the 2021 is just flat out ugly and hideous. It's a total square box. It's thicker, it has more "give" and doesn't feel as solid. It feels cheap and shitty and hollow and all the things Apple laptops aren't supposed to feel like. It doesn't have any of the nice graceful curves that make you say, "Man these guys... how did they do all this?!" It's just a big thick ugly box that "thuds" when you tap on it and has visible give when you grab it in certain places. I think they even changed the finish texture on the aluminum. I just hate the way the 2021 feels. It feels cheap and flimsy. I hate the design choices on the 2021 too. Feels like they went back 10 years.
- friedman23 4y agoThe battery life is amazing. But just as amazing is that my hands don't sweat when using my laptop anymore because it doesn't get anywhere near as hot as other laptops when under load.
- ridgeguy 4y agoMy M2 MacBook Air is the best computer I've owned, bar none. Can confirm the battery life, easily 22+ hours in my use. My only known downside to low power consumption: when I wake, I usually lie in for 30 minutes of surfing with the M2 on my chest. It's quite cold. I usually visit a compute-intensive site like Ventusky to warm it up for a couple of minutes. First world problems....
- indymike 4y agoI carry an M1 Macbook Air (for xcode) and an LG Gram 17 running Kubuntu for everything else (which is most of what I do). The Gram is probably the best laptop I've ever owned (it replaced an XPS-15) - it's bigger (13" vs 17"), lighter (2oz less than the air) and gets crazy life out of the battery. When new, the Gram got 11-16 hours of battery (it now gets 8-10 hours) under development load (i.e running a node app, a go app and a Django backend, plus support servers). The Air hasn't been used as hard as the Gram, but it's battery gets similar performance. On the power management front, everything works on the air. On the Gram, hibernate is disabled, and sleep works (I've left the Gram in my bag over a three day weekend, and it was at about 20% on Tuesday when I opened it up). I ran Windows for about a week on the Gram and it did got less than eight hours of battery. No idea why.
- rektide 4y agoI've had quite good success with hibernate on Linux. It was a long time ago but I accidentally tried it on a laptop ~13 years ago & it just worked. The appeal was immediate- 3-5s boot/sleep rather than near instant but no battery drain! I had one laptop where the wifi would only come up every other boot, but that did eventually, after many years, get resolved with a new kernel. It's been really nice having no power drain on personal laptops! Agreed, I too see pretty excellent power consumption on Linux. The new connected Windows stuff looks so awful, unbelievable power drain. I hope it largely remains a Windows problem & doesnt Linux greatly. To be honest, 20% after a weekend is much less than I'd want.
- albertopv 4y agoTrue, but I also value other things, like openess and control.
- manv1 4y agoOn MacOS Apple doesn't prevent you from, say, shoving a grenade up your butt by turning their protections off. https://news.yahoo.com/surgery-under-sappers-supervision-doctors-143320713.html https://news.yahoo.com/surgery-under-sappers-supervision-doc... And it's darwin-based, and there's a linux implementation. Welcome to 2023!
- filoleg 4y agoIs your link correct? Because it shows an article on Yahoo News titled "Surgery under sappers supervision: doctors retrieve unexploded VOG grenade out of soldiers body", which seems to have nothing to do with the topic of your comment.
- albertopv 4y agoIt is the Apple way or the highway, I can't choose GPU or storage brand or something else, that's what I meant.
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- joshstrange 4y agoI keep having to unlearn years of "Laptop = hot" and "<2 hours of battery if I'm pushing the laptop". My 2014 got warm but never too hot on my lap but when I got the 2019 i9 it was unbearable to put on my lap without some kind of insulation. Now my M1 Max barely feels warm at all on my lap, often cold and the battery is really something else. Sometimes I play Factorio sitting on my couch and with my 2014/2019 MBP I HAD to have the power cord nearby. Obviously I could go on battery for a while but as a rule I always plugged it in while using (see also: I LOVE having magsafe back, the 2019 always made me super anxious with only having USB-C for charging). Now with my M1 Max I can go for hours playing without thinking about power. Likewise when I go up to see my parents/family I can jump on my laptop a number of times for quick tasks (~2-3 hours over a few days) and I never have to think about plugging it in. Maybe it was something I had installed on my 2014/2019 MBP but I felt like those discharged faster when not in use. My M1 Max feels much closer to an iPad where you can leave it unused for days and come back to still having 80%+ battery.
- steveylang 4y agoFor me the worst part was not my lap but my left palm (2013 MBA.) We had carpal tunnel, someday there's going to be a new syndrome that comes from constant heat being applies to your palms while using a laptop computer.
- lr1970 4y ago> Apple Silicon Mac’s have 2-3 times longer battery than PC laptops The title should say "longer battery _life_". And no, the Mac's battery itself is not longer than the PC's one.
- jarek83 4y agoUsing M1 Macbook Pro for year and a half. It's great, it's quiet, it's not getting hot and the keyboard has been reverted to a great one (comparing to previous model). Silence when I work is something I have been unaware of how precious it is - because none of my previous machines were able to be silent ever before. Doing a lot of web-dev with docker desktop. I can't think of a flaw - it's not it does not have any (like it could be better for occasional gaming), but compared to other setups available on the market, it's just flawless.