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Whipper: Accurate Audio CD Ripping

266 points by catseyechandra 4y ago

catseyechandra 4y ago
For audio geek who wants a high quality audio extraction from their CD collection
- haunter 4y ago
  Thank you Chat GPT
  - wyager 4y ago
    I have noticed a lot of super low-effort comments like this recently. They typically don't even write as well as current-gen chatbots.
  - amacneil 4y ago
    Fyi this is just the OP adding a description
- lern_too_spel 4y ago
  Why would I use this over abcde, another cdparanoia frontend that is packaged for every major distro?
  - SinePost 4y ago
    I second this question. I've used both before; the user experience is basically the same, and there's no audible difference between the two.
  - thebrid 4y ago
    My understanding is whipper is more paranoid than abcde. whipper does a couple things to ensure a perfect rip: * Rips tracks twice and ensures the checksums match (retrying if they do not) * Compares the track checksums against the AccurateRip database I think this gives much more confidence that the result is correct. The tags seem a lot more detailed with whipper too.
    - rsync 4y ago
      What I appreciated most about 'abcde' was that just prior to the rip it would open up the CDDB output in 'vim' and allow quick and easy edits to what are, sometimes, horrific titling and track entries ... It's a very nice workflow and avoids a lot of cleanup ...
accrual 4y ago
This is pretty cool, it's like a Python and *nix version of Exact Audio Copy (EAC) for Windows. I enjoy the ritual of perfectly ripping a CD. I can spend an hour or two scanning the artwork, verifying the track names, performing the rip, losslessly compressing (I prefer FLAC), generating .cue files, checksuming everything, then sitting down to experience the best possible digital copy of a physical item I can self produce.
- deleted 4y ago
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- kreetx 4y ago
  Brings back similar memories for me as well :) I guess it's great to have a *nix tool for the rare occasion of ripping a CD.
- thriftwy 4y ago
  Linux has cdparanoia for decades now, which doea all that stuff and I'm not sure what's new about Whipper.
  - medler 4y ago
    Whipper uses cdparanoia under the hood, but it adds features like metadata fetching, gap detection, and so forth. More details here: https://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=Whipper https://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=Whipper
    - thriftwy 4y ago
      I remember tools such as Asunder and grip adding passable GUIs around cdparanoia.
- Etheryte 4y ago
  Always makes me sad remembering what was lost when What.CD went offline.
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indigodaddy 4y ago
I have a very old CD collection I hadn’t looked at in years that I recently started ripping. Happened upon a tool called cyanrip and it works perfectly for me. Automatically downloads the art too and everything. Anyway it checks all the boxes for me and I haven’t looked back.
victorvosk 4y ago
I love how this software would have been legend in the 90s/00s but now you are just a weird audiophile nerd for messing around with physical CDs.
- croes 4y ago
  In the 00s you just used Exact Audio Copy
  - orangepurple 4y ago
    Still used in Russia constantly. It's the gold standard.
- criddell 4y ago
  Audiophile nerds have moved on to digital formats that are much higher res than CD or have gone 100% analog.
  - dmitryminkovsky 4y ago
    There is a commercially available digital format/medium that has higher res than CD? Like, there are 96kHz discs being sold out there? And there are labels out there mastering and producing these discs? Sorry this is news to me! I thought 96kHz encodes were upsamples or homemade rips from analog formats.
    - bagels 4y ago
      Aac on an SSD or on the internet?
    - dstaley 4y ago
      Most hi-res audio is being sold as digital downloads. I don't think there's a currently-sold physical medium that contains digital data that's higher quality than a CD.
      - 4y ago
sickcodebruh 4y ago
Discovering music in the pre-gap before track 1 was my childhood equivalent of discovering a magickal incantation. In a world before mass use of the Internet, those who knew many of these secrets were our High Priests and Priestesses. I love the ease with which modern music can spread around the world but I miss the opportunity for surprise and discovery.
- coopl 4y ago
  Wait what? How does this work? Which CDs had music stored before the start of the first track?
  - exitb 4y ago
    Every audio CD has a list of tracks with their respective start times, so you can jump to specific songs. The first song also specifies a start time, which does not have to be zero. If it isn’t, the player will skip some of the audio, but you can still reverse back into it. It’s funny how a CD is more like a tape with contiguous content and an index, rather than a file system. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_albums_with_tracks_hidden_in_the_pregap https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_albums_with_tracks_hid...
    - didntreadarticl 4y ago
      WHAT THE FUCK I bought hundreds of CDs from 1990 through to about 2005, some of them on that list, and I never had a clue about this technique. I knew about hidden tracks at the end after a silent gap - e.g. Nevermind had a hidden track after 10 minutes of silence at the end, was fun to schedule it on a CD jukebox in a bar...
    - dirkt 4y ago
      It's actually more like an analog record than a tape. It's even layout in a spiral (instead of circles, like for a DVD, or like tracks on a floppy or harddisk).
  - lozf 4y ago
    "Blumenkraft" by OTT, but only on the CD, not the download from https://ottsonic.bandcamp.com https://ottsonic.bandcamp.com
flatiron 4y ago
I remember back in the day using https://xiph.org/paranoia/ https://xiph.org/paranoia/ for ripping. Tons of burned cds that eventually were tossed in favor of Spotify.
- IndySun 4y ago
  This type of ripping, comparing to other rips (paranoia) for bit-for-bit error correction integrity is part of XLD for Mac et al. However, even as a full time audio person, I consider paranoia overkill, and in someways backwards - I want my rip to be my unique rip and not precisely anyone else's - though of course, it most likely is anyway. You do realise, assuming you ripped to a lossless audio format, your cd rips are 8-12x more accurate than anything streamed of Spotify?
  - haunter 4y ago
    >bit-for-bit error correction integrity is part of XLD for Mac et al AccurateRip is a pretty important feature imo. Like at least I know someone else in the world made a rip which was exactly the same as mine regardless of the optical drive we used. Overkill? Maybe but there is some kind of "safeness" to it https://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=AccurateRip https://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=AccurateRip
  - rokweom 4y ago
    >your cd rips are 8-12x more accurate than anything streamed of Spotify? How did you calculate a factor by which lossless is better than lossy?
    - IndySun 4y ago
      >your cd rips are 8-12x more accurate than anything streamed of Spotify?... >...How did you calculate a factor by which lossless is better than lossy? I specifically typed accurate, not better.
      - rokweom 4y ago
MengerSponge 4y ago
Ooo, I can finally get a bit-perfect copy of "Teenage Wasteland"? Rad.
- seabrookmx 4y ago
  Nice
sbaiddn 4y ago
Can someone explain to me why this is needed vs an imagining tool (say ddrescue)? Is there no tool that actually makes a bit perfect copy yet?
- einherjae 4y ago
  There’s a lengthy explanation in the wiki linked from the github page. But basically cd drives don’t give you a raw stream, and does stuff like error correction.
  - sbaiddn 4y ago
    So the error are used to trip traditional tools like ddrescue like in the days of old?
    - einherjae 4y ago
      The drive itself abstracts out the raw stream if I understood things correctly. Similar to how a PC floppy controller can’t do a low level disk image, because it does some interpretation of the signal before handing it over to the system. One example mentioned was that drives generally don’t read the precise samples you ask for. https://web.archive.org/web/20160528213242/https://thomas.apestaart.org/thomas/trac/wiki/DAD/Rip https://web.archive.org/web/20160528213242/https://thomas.ap...
- haunter 4y ago
  ddrescue can't read audio tracks, Audio CDs doesn't have a file system in the traditional sense either etc. It's not meant for copy Audio CDs but CD-ROMs That's why CDRDAO or CDDA Paranoia exist for decades. https://web.archive.org/web/20160528213242/https://thomas.apestaart.org/thomas/trac/wiki/DAD/Rip https://web.archive.org/web/20160528213242/https://thomas.ap... https://www.xiph.org/paranoia/ https://www.xiph.org/paranoia/ https://cdrdao.sourceforge.net/ https://cdrdao.sourceforge.net/
  - joshenders 4y ago
thrownawaysz 4y ago
>Docker Maybe it's just me but when I see Docker with a project like this I already zone out. This is still just based on cdparanoia/cdrdao [0]. I wish people would just push single portable binaries instead of starting the whole process with Docker (especially when the source code is alreaedy available) 0, https://github.com/whipper-team/whipper/blob/develop/whipper/program/cdparanoia.py https://github.com/whipper-team/whipper/blob/develop/whipper... 0, https://github.com/whipper-team/whipper/blob/develop/whipper/program/cdrdao.py https://github.com/whipper-team/whipper/blob/develop/whipper...
- sschueller 4y ago
  I agree with you, however if I had to pick between snap and docker I would go with docker evertime.
- jdsully 4y ago
  Docker is a life saver if your shipping software on Linux. Otherwise you’re going to have to deal with endless bug reports from oddball distros. Docker lets you test with a stable set of dependencies and know that’s what your users will see.
  - orangepurple 4y ago
    It's like people forget statically compiled binaries exist
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    - skybrian 4y ago
      It's a good solution, but there are popular programming languages where that doesn't work.
  - je42 4y ago
    How about flatpak? To fulfil this function?
emersion 4y ago
My go-to CD ripper is https://github.com/cyanreg/cyanrip https://github.com/cyanreg/cyanrip
- chuckufarley 4y ago
  I only discovered Cyanrip somehow quite recently and rate it as highly as Whipper, which I've used since its Morituri days. Appreciate Cyanrip's desire to be suckless but still enjoy Whipper being able to produce TOC/CUE sheets. MKTOC can always prove handy too if one cares about Right Offsets..
mynameisash 4y ago
Somewhat related question: what's the gold standard for organizing ripped music, ideally with some sort of metadata lookup? Ever since Google Music shut down, I have my exported music in a folder, but it's badly organized and with duplicates. Too daunting a task for me to do manually - especially because some of the id3 tags somehow got messed up.
- aDfbrtVt 4y ago
  Picard has worked really well for me. https://picard.musicbrainz.org/ https://picard.musicbrainz.org/
- bismark 4y ago
  You could check out https://beets.io/ https://beets.io/
- lowbloodsugar 4y ago
  Roon.
- anomie31 4y ago
  That will be a contentious subject, there really is no golden standard. I subscribe to The QF Bible personally, and I have configured Picard as such (feel free to ask how if you're interested) https://musichoarders.xyz/reference/bibles/the-qf-bible/ https://musichoarders.xyz/reference/bibles/the-qf-bible/
medwards666 4y ago
My go-to audio CD ripper is this: https://www.exactaudiocopy.de/ https://www.exactaudiocopy.de/
- pelorat 4y ago
  Agreed. I mean, great that people make alternatives, but this was a solved problem long ago. Also EAC is a lots more user friendly that some python software.
  - mtrower 4y ago
    > Also EAC is a lots more user friendly that some python software. User friendly is a matter of opinion.
sandreas 4y ago
Here is a sortable and filterable drive accuracy listing and more information about audio cd ripping: https://pilabor.com/blog/2022/10/audio-cd-ripping-hardware/ https://pilabor.com/blog/2022/10/audio-cd-ripping-hardware/
meindnoch 4y ago
Good for personal use, but in the scene you must use a recent enough version of EAC or XLD.
- deleted 4y ago
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- anomie31 4y ago
  Orpheus allows whipper and gives it the same rating as EAC and XLD when the cache is defeated fwiw
andy_ppp 4y ago
So why would ripping CDs result in less than perfect copies - I thought digital information would almost always be read correctly?
- CGamesPlay 4y ago
  I read the linked rationale and still don’t understand why this is even a problem.
- rlv-dan 4y ago
  Transferring from disc to system via a laser is analogue and error prone. What if there is a scratch? What if the cd wobbles?
  - asveikau 4y ago
    That's what the CRC is for. Granted, it's not perfect...
    - andy_ppp 4y ago
      But then the CD should skip right or reread the bits - maybe it doesn't maybe it guesses to keep the music playing...
      - asveikau 4y ago
        And I guess that's why cdparanoia exists - to put hyper-focus on those edge cases and get them right. I used to use it to rip in the 90s or early 2000s but never looked deeply into how it works.
- ghusbands 4y ago
  Some CDs are very scratched. Some CDs are CDRs with dye that hasn't aged well. Some CDs just don't read well (poor manufacturing tolerance, perhaps). Some drives silently return bad data on error. Some drives return a lot of errors towards the last tracks even when there is no problem. Drives vary on where they think tracks start and end (generally a uniform offset per drive). Sometimes, reading audio before the claimed start of the CD takes extra trickery. There are many more issues, besides. By ripping multiple times to verify and comparing to a global database of checksums (and in some cases doing error correction), you can be sure of getting exactly the intended audio.
sirjaz 4y ago
Since this is just python code, it should run on Windows and MacOS also. Just compile to a static executable and be done with it.
- yuvadam 4y ago
  The project has external dependencies including dynamic libs that you cannot just compile to run on Windows and Mac.
acidburnNSA 4y ago
That's a nice package. I use some of the components on the command line to get my CD data to the music server. Extract data to wav: cdparanoia -B Compress all wavs to mp3 (in parallel, takes like 1 second, crazy!): parallel lame --preset extreme {} -o {.}.mp3 ::: *.wav Clean up folder rm *.wav Import into mopidy library and lookup/apply metadata with beets beet import . sudo su - mopidy -s /bin/bash -c 'mopidy --config /etc/mopidy/mopidy.conf local scan' (I actually have a bash script for that, obviously) Done. Next step is to go into Mopidy-Iris UI and hit play and it plays all around the house thanks to snapcast. Garsh darn glorious. https://mopidy.com/ext/iris/ https://mopidy.com/ext/iris/ https://mjaggard.github.io/snapcast/ https://mjaggard.github.io/snapcast/ https://beets.readthedocs.io/en/stable/ https://beets.readthedocs.io/en/stable/
- cogman10 4y ago
  Why MP3? It's simply not a great codec to target. If you have a music server, then why not flac? If space is an issue, then why not Opus (which almost everything supports now) or HE-AAC which has nearly as much support as MP3. You can target the same MP3 bitrate and end up with a more transparent encoding. You can decrease the bitrate and have the same quality as your mp3 encode with a smaller bitrate. I honestly don't understand why mp3 is such a sticky codec. It's long been surpassed by others.
  - acidburnNSA 4y ago
    Well, I've done a number of ABX listening tests (apt install abx) and to my chagrin simply could not tell the difference. I challenge everyone who feels strongly about this to actually bust out abx and do some listening tests comparing flac to LAME-encoded extreme MP3s and prove to yourself that flac matters at all on your equipment. And then share your results with us if you want! https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man1/abx.1.html#description https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man1/abx.1.html#... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABX_test https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABX_test But yeah I should put the command to encode to flac there for people who prefer it!
    - 4y ago
user3939382 4y ago
I haven't needed to solve this problem since somewhere around 2003 but my tool used to be CDex https://cdex.mu/screenshots https://cdex.mu/screenshots
BennyInc 4y ago
Can anyone recommend a (currently market available) USB drive that produces good results? Back in the good old times I had a Yamaha CRW F1 which many still say was the best for accurate rips, as it supported many advanced modes required to read even scratched CDs better than others.
- CharlesW 4y ago
  From the dBpoweramp CD Ripper forums, "CD Drive Accuracy 2019": https://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showthread.php?43786-CD-Drive-Accuracy-2019 https://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showthread.php?43786-CD-Drive-A... Also mentioned elsewhere in this thread: https://pilabor.com/blog/2022/10/audio-cd-ripping-hardware/ https://pilabor.com/blog/2022/10/audio-cd-ripping-hardware/
prima-facie 4y ago
Whipper is great and I use it to backup my audio CDs in FLAC format. There's a plugin called whipper-plugin-eaclogger which will generate the logs in a format compatible with EAC. Then just run whipper with: `whipper cd rip -L eac`
- anomie31 4y ago
  That won't create a file that will make it pass the logcheck, just so you know.
visarga 4y ago
What is an audio CD and where do you stick it?
mixmastamyk 4y ago
Let me guess—It really whips the llama's ass.
schainks 4y ago
This utility used to work wonders, too. Should still work despite what looks like the author moving on: https://github.com/blabber/ripit https://github.com/blabber/ripit
m463 4y ago
The readme says: - Detects and rips _non digitally silent_ [Hidden Track One Audio](http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=HTOA http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=HTOA) (HTOA) It's unclear how this is used -- is it for secret data or is it for hidden music?
- jtvjan 4y ago
  Hidden music. Some albums[1] have hidden tracks.[2] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_albums_with_tracks_hidden_in_the_pregap https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_albums_with_tracks_hid... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_track https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_track
pc2g4d 4y ago
Very recently decided to try getting off Spotify, so I'm in the CD-ripping workflow lately, after about 10 years off. (Also buying a bunch of direct download albums off Bandcamp.) I like to think it's a trend? Been using Asunder to rip, encoding as FLAC with max compression. Playing back usually with Amarok but it's buggy for me these days so I'm not satisfied. Rhythmbox is good, too, but failed me by not inhibiting sleep during playback. I don't have a really solid go-to music organization / playback app right now but open to suggestions.

For audio geek who wants a high quality audio extraction from their CD collection

haunter 4y ago
Thank you Chat GPT
- wyager 4y ago
  I have noticed a lot of super low-effort comments like this recently. They typically don't even write as well as current-gen chatbots.
- amacneil 4y ago
  Fyi this is just the OP adding a description
lern_too_spel 4y ago
Why would I use this over abcde, another cdparanoia frontend that is packaged for every major distro?
- SinePost 4y ago
  I second this question. I've used both before; the user experience is basically the same, and there's no audible difference between the two.
- thebrid 4y ago
  My understanding is whipper is more paranoid than abcde. whipper does a couple things to ensure a perfect rip: * Rips tracks twice and ensures the checksums match (retrying if they do not) * Compares the track checksums against the AccurateRip database I think this gives much more confidence that the result is correct. The tags seem a lot more detailed with whipper too.
  - rsync 4y ago
    What I appreciated most about 'abcde' was that just prior to the rip it would open up the CDDB output in 'vim' and allow quick and easy edits to what are, sometimes, horrific titling and track entries ... It's a very nice workflow and avoids a lot of cleanup ...

This is pretty cool, it's like a Python and *nix version of Exact Audio Copy (EAC) for Windows. I enjoy the ritual of perfectly ripping a CD. I can spend an hour or two scanning the artwork, verifying the track names, performing the rip, losslessly compressing (I prefer FLAC), generating .cue files, checksuming everything, then sitting down to experience the best possible digital copy of a physical item I can self produce.

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kreetx 4y ago
Brings back similar memories for me as well :) I guess it's great to have a *nix tool for the rare occasion of ripping a CD.
thriftwy 4y ago
Linux has cdparanoia for decades now, which doea all that stuff and I'm not sure what's new about Whipper.
- medler 4y ago
  Whipper uses cdparanoia under the hood, but it adds features like metadata fetching, gap detection, and so forth. More details here: https://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=Whipper https://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=Whipper
  - thriftwy 4y ago
    I remember tools such as Asunder and grip adding passable GUIs around cdparanoia.
Etheryte 4y ago
Always makes me sad remembering what was lost when What.CD went offline.
- 4y ago

indigodaddy 4y ago

I have a very old CD collection I hadn’t looked at in years that I recently started ripping. Happened upon a tool called cyanrip and it works perfectly for me. Automatically downloads the art too and everything. Anyway it checks all the boxes for me and I haven’t looked back.

victorvosk 4y ago

I love how this software would have been legend in the 90s/00s but now you are just a weird audiophile nerd for messing around with physical CDs.

croes 4y ago
In the 00s you just used Exact Audio Copy
- orangepurple 4y ago
  Still used in Russia constantly. It's the gold standard.
criddell 4y ago
Audiophile nerds have moved on to digital formats that are much higher res than CD or have gone 100% analog.
- dmitryminkovsky 4y ago
  There is a commercially available digital format/medium that has higher res than CD? Like, there are 96kHz discs being sold out there? And there are labels out there mastering and producing these discs? Sorry this is news to me! I thought 96kHz encodes were upsamples or homemade rips from analog formats.
  - bagels 4y ago
    Aac on an SSD or on the internet?
  - dstaley 4y ago
    Most hi-res audio is being sold as digital downloads. I don't think there's a currently-sold physical medium that contains digital data that's higher quality than a CD.
    - 4y ago

sickcodebruh 4y ago

Discovering music in the pre-gap before track 1 was my childhood equivalent of discovering a magickal incantation. In a world before mass use of the Internet, those who knew many of these secrets were our High Priests and Priestesses. I love the ease with which modern music can spread around the world but I miss the opportunity for surprise and discovery.

coopl 4y ago
Wait what? How does this work? Which CDs had music stored before the start of the first track?
- exitb 4y ago
  Every audio CD has a list of tracks with their respective start times, so you can jump to specific songs. The first song also specifies a start time, which does not have to be zero. If it isn’t, the player will skip some of the audio, but you can still reverse back into it. It’s funny how a CD is more like a tape with contiguous content and an index, rather than a file system. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_albums_with_tracks_hidden_in_the_pregap https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_albums_with_tracks_hid...
  - didntreadarticl 4y ago
    WHAT THE FUCK I bought hundreds of CDs from 1990 through to about 2005, some of them on that list, and I never had a clue about this technique. I knew about hidden tracks at the end after a silent gap - e.g. Nevermind had a hidden track after 10 minutes of silence at the end, was fun to schedule it on a CD jukebox in a bar...
  - dirkt 4y ago
    It's actually more like an analog record than a tape. It's even layout in a spiral (instead of circles, like for a DVD, or like tracks on a floppy or harddisk).
- lozf 4y ago
  "Blumenkraft" by OTT, but only on the CD, not the download from https://ottsonic.bandcamp.com https://ottsonic.bandcamp.com

flatiron 4y ago

I remember back in the day using https://xiph.org/paranoia/ https://xiph.org/paranoia/ for ripping. Tons of burned cds that eventually were tossed in favor of Spotify.

IndySun 4y ago
This type of ripping, comparing to other rips (paranoia) for bit-for-bit error correction integrity is part of XLD for Mac et al. However, even as a full time audio person, I consider paranoia overkill, and in someways backwards - I want my rip to be my unique rip and not precisely anyone else's - though of course, it most likely is anyway. You do realise, assuming you ripped to a lossless audio format, your cd rips are 8-12x more accurate than anything streamed of Spotify?
- haunter 4y ago
  >bit-for-bit error correction integrity is part of XLD for Mac et al AccurateRip is a pretty important feature imo. Like at least I know someone else in the world made a rip which was exactly the same as mine regardless of the optical drive we used. Overkill? Maybe but there is some kind of "safeness" to it https://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=AccurateRip https://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=AccurateRip
- rokweom 4y ago
  >your cd rips are 8-12x more accurate than anything streamed of Spotify? How did you calculate a factor by which lossless is better than lossy?
  - IndySun 4y ago
    >your cd rips are 8-12x more accurate than anything streamed of Spotify?... >...How did you calculate a factor by which lossless is better than lossy? I specifically typed accurate, not better.
    - rokweom 4y ago

MengerSponge 4y ago

Ooo, I can finally get a bit-perfect copy of "Teenage Wasteland"? Rad.

seabrookmx 4y ago
Nice

sbaiddn 4y ago

Can someone explain to me why this is needed vs an imagining tool (say ddrescue)? Is there no tool that actually makes a bit perfect copy yet?

einherjae 4y ago
There’s a lengthy explanation in the wiki linked from the github page. But basically cd drives don’t give you a raw stream, and does stuff like error correction.
- sbaiddn 4y ago
  So the error are used to trip traditional tools like ddrescue like in the days of old?
  - einherjae 4y ago
    The drive itself abstracts out the raw stream if I understood things correctly. Similar to how a PC floppy controller can’t do a low level disk image, because it does some interpretation of the signal before handing it over to the system. One example mentioned was that drives generally don’t read the precise samples you ask for. https://web.archive.org/web/20160528213242/https://thomas.apestaart.org/thomas/trac/wiki/DAD/Rip https://web.archive.org/web/20160528213242/https://thomas.ap...
haunter 4y ago
ddrescue can't read audio tracks, Audio CDs doesn't have a file system in the traditional sense either etc. It's not meant for copy Audio CDs but CD-ROMs That's why CDRDAO or CDDA Paranoia exist for decades. https://web.archive.org/web/20160528213242/https://thomas.apestaart.org/thomas/trac/wiki/DAD/Rip https://web.archive.org/web/20160528213242/https://thomas.ap... https://www.xiph.org/paranoia/ https://www.xiph.org/paranoia/ https://cdrdao.sourceforge.net/ https://cdrdao.sourceforge.net/
- joshenders 4y ago

thrownawaysz 4y ago

>Docker Maybe it's just me but when I see Docker with a project like this I already zone out. This is still just based on cdparanoia/cdrdao [0]. I wish people would just push single portable binaries instead of starting the whole process with Docker (especially when the source code is alreaedy available) 0, https://github.com/whipper-team/whipper/blob/develop/whipper/program/cdparanoia.py https://github.com/whipper-team/whipper/blob/develop/whipper... 0, https://github.com/whipper-team/whipper/blob/develop/whipper/program/cdrdao.py https://github.com/whipper-team/whipper/blob/develop/whipper...

sschueller 4y ago
I agree with you, however if I had to pick between snap and docker I would go with docker evertime.
jdsully 4y ago
Docker is a life saver if your shipping software on Linux. Otherwise you’re going to have to deal with endless bug reports from oddball distros. Docker lets you test with a stable set of dependencies and know that’s what your users will see.
- orangepurple 4y ago
  It's like people forget statically compiled binaries exist
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  - skybrian 4y ago
    It's a good solution, but there are popular programming languages where that doesn't work.
- je42 4y ago
  How about flatpak? To fulfil this function?

emersion 4y ago

My go-to CD ripper is https://github.com/cyanreg/cyanrip https://github.com/cyanreg/cyanrip

chuckufarley 4y ago
I only discovered Cyanrip somehow quite recently and rate it as highly as Whipper, which I've used since its Morituri days. Appreciate Cyanrip's desire to be suckless but still enjoy Whipper being able to produce TOC/CUE sheets. MKTOC can always prove handy too if one cares about Right Offsets..

mynameisash 4y ago

Somewhat related question: what's the gold standard for organizing ripped music, ideally with some sort of metadata lookup? Ever since Google Music shut down, I have my exported music in a folder, but it's badly organized and with duplicates. Too daunting a task for me to do manually - especially because some of the id3 tags somehow got messed up.

aDfbrtVt 4y ago
Picard has worked really well for me. https://picard.musicbrainz.org/ https://picard.musicbrainz.org/
bismark 4y ago
You could check out https://beets.io/ https://beets.io/
lowbloodsugar 4y ago
Roon.
anomie31 4y ago
That will be a contentious subject, there really is no golden standard. I subscribe to The QF Bible personally, and I have configured Picard as such (feel free to ask how if you're interested) https://musichoarders.xyz/reference/bibles/the-qf-bible/ https://musichoarders.xyz/reference/bibles/the-qf-bible/

medwards666 4y ago

My go-to audio CD ripper is this: https://www.exactaudiocopy.de/ https://www.exactaudiocopy.de/

pelorat 4y ago
Agreed. I mean, great that people make alternatives, but this was a solved problem long ago. Also EAC is a lots more user friendly that some python software.
- mtrower 4y ago
  > Also EAC is a lots more user friendly that some python software. User friendly is a matter of opinion.

sandreas 4y ago

Here is a sortable and filterable drive accuracy listing and more information about audio cd ripping: https://pilabor.com/blog/2022/10/audio-cd-ripping-hardware/ https://pilabor.com/blog/2022/10/audio-cd-ripping-hardware/

meindnoch 4y ago

Good for personal use, but in the scene you must use a recent enough version of EAC or XLD.

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anomie31 4y ago
Orpheus allows whipper and gives it the same rating as EAC and XLD when the cache is defeated fwiw

andy_ppp 4y ago

So why would ripping CDs result in less than perfect copies - I thought digital information would almost always be read correctly?

CGamesPlay 4y ago
I read the linked rationale and still don’t understand why this is even a problem.
rlv-dan 4y ago
Transferring from disc to system via a laser is analogue and error prone. What if there is a scratch? What if the cd wobbles?
- asveikau 4y ago
  That's what the CRC is for. Granted, it's not perfect...
  - andy_ppp 4y ago
    But then the CD should skip right or reread the bits - maybe it doesn't maybe it guesses to keep the music playing...
    - asveikau 4y ago
      And I guess that's why cdparanoia exists - to put hyper-focus on those edge cases and get them right. I used to use it to rip in the 90s or early 2000s but never looked deeply into how it works.
ghusbands 4y ago
Some CDs are very scratched. Some CDs are CDRs with dye that hasn't aged well. Some CDs just don't read well (poor manufacturing tolerance, perhaps). Some drives silently return bad data on error. Some drives return a lot of errors towards the last tracks even when there is no problem. Drives vary on where they think tracks start and end (generally a uniform offset per drive). Sometimes, reading audio before the claimed start of the CD takes extra trickery. There are many more issues, besides. By ripping multiple times to verify and comparing to a global database of checksums (and in some cases doing error correction), you can be sure of getting exactly the intended audio.

sirjaz 4y ago

Since this is just python code, it should run on Windows and MacOS also. Just compile to a static executable and be done with it.

yuvadam 4y ago
The project has external dependencies including dynamic libs that you cannot just compile to run on Windows and Mac.

acidburnNSA 4y ago

That's a nice package. I use some of the components on the command line to get my CD data to the music server. Extract data to wav: cdparanoia -B Compress all wavs to mp3 (in parallel, takes like 1 second, crazy!): parallel lame --preset extreme {} -o {.}.mp3 ::: *.wav Clean up folder rm *.wav Import into mopidy library and lookup/apply metadata with beets beet import . sudo su - mopidy -s /bin/bash -c 'mopidy --config /etc/mopidy/mopidy.conf local scan' (I actually have a bash script for that, obviously) Done. Next step is to go into Mopidy-Iris UI and hit play and it plays all around the house thanks to snapcast. Garsh darn glorious. https://mopidy.com/ext/iris/ https://mopidy.com/ext/iris/ https://mjaggard.github.io/snapcast/ https://mjaggard.github.io/snapcast/ https://beets.readthedocs.io/en/stable/ https://beets.readthedocs.io/en/stable/

cogman10 4y ago
Why MP3? It's simply not a great codec to target. If you have a music server, then why not flac? If space is an issue, then why not Opus (which almost everything supports now) or HE-AAC which has nearly as much support as MP3. You can target the same MP3 bitrate and end up with a more transparent encoding. You can decrease the bitrate and have the same quality as your mp3 encode with a smaller bitrate. I honestly don't understand why mp3 is such a sticky codec. It's long been surpassed by others.
- acidburnNSA 4y ago
  Well, I've done a number of ABX listening tests (apt install abx) and to my chagrin simply could not tell the difference. I challenge everyone who feels strongly about this to actually bust out abx and do some listening tests comparing flac to LAME-encoded extreme MP3s and prove to yourself that flac matters at all on your equipment. And then share your results with us if you want! https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man1/abx.1.html#description https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man1/abx.1.html#... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABX_test https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABX_test But yeah I should put the command to encode to flac there for people who prefer it!
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user3939382 4y ago

I haven't needed to solve this problem since somewhere around 2003 but my tool used to be CDex https://cdex.mu/screenshots https://cdex.mu/screenshots

BennyInc 4y ago

Can anyone recommend a (currently market available) USB drive that produces good results? Back in the good old times I had a Yamaha CRW F1 which many still say was the best for accurate rips, as it supported many advanced modes required to read even scratched CDs better than others.

CharlesW 4y ago
From the dBpoweramp CD Ripper forums, "CD Drive Accuracy 2019": https://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showthread.php?43786-CD-Drive-Accuracy-2019 https://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showthread.php?43786-CD-Drive-A... Also mentioned elsewhere in this thread: https://pilabor.com/blog/2022/10/audio-cd-ripping-hardware/ https://pilabor.com/blog/2022/10/audio-cd-ripping-hardware/

prima-facie 4y ago

Whipper is great and I use it to backup my audio CDs in FLAC format. There's a plugin called whipper-plugin-eaclogger which will generate the logs in a format compatible with EAC. Then just run whipper with: `whipper cd rip -L eac`

anomie31 4y ago
That won't create a file that will make it pass the logcheck, just so you know.

visarga 4y ago

What is an audio CD and where do you stick it?

mixmastamyk 4y ago

Let me guess—It really whips the llama's ass.

schainks 4y ago

This utility used to work wonders, too. Should still work despite what looks like the author moving on: https://github.com/blabber/ripit https://github.com/blabber/ripit

m463 4y ago

The readme says: - Detects and rips _non digitally silent_ [Hidden Track One Audio](http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=HTOA http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=HTOA) (HTOA) It's unclear how this is used -- is it for secret data or is it for hidden music?

jtvjan 4y ago
Hidden music. Some albums[1] have hidden tracks.[2] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_albums_with_tracks_hidden_in_the_pregap https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_albums_with_tracks_hid... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_track https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_track

pc2g4d 4y ago

Very recently decided to try getting off Spotify, so I'm in the CD-ripping workflow lately, after about 10 years off. (Also buying a bunch of direct download albums off Bandcamp.) I like to think it's a trend? Been using Asunder to rip, encoding as FLAC with max compression. Playing back usually with Amarok but it's buggy for me these days so I'm not satisfied. Rhythmbox is good, too, but failed me by not inhibiting sleep during playback. I don't have a really solid go-to music organization / playback app right now but open to suggestions.