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> How does this interact with individual or career growth? I don't want to work for the manager who insists I stay on the first few projects I worked on at the

> How does this interact with individual or career growth? I don't want to work for the manager who insists I stay on the first few projects I worked on at the company forever... To me this is the a huge incentive for building strong teams. Nobody should be indispensable; it's a disservice both to the company and the person. Pair programming, collective code ownership, intentional cross-training, good automated tests, continuous deployment, and good automated monitoring have all been very helpful to me there. And vacations! Everybody should take long vacations where they are out of contact. By managerial force if necessary.

nickfromseattle 4y ago
+1 on long vacations. My team is in Europe with 38 days of PTO and while it offends my American capitalistic sensibilities, it's created so much resilience because everyone is always on vacation, we've built our company ops to reflect this reality.
- satvikpendem 4y ago
  Like Netflix's chaos monkey but for people; unplug anyone from the system and the system should still work.
  - grahamplace 4y ago
    At least one CTO has actually tried exactly that: https://danlebrero.com/2021/06/30/cto-dairy-lucky-lotto-chaos-engineering-for-teams/ https://danlebrero.com/2021/06/30/cto-dairy-lucky-lotto-chao...
- antihipocrat 4y ago
  Is having longer PTO in your business a detriment or neutral/net gain to overall productivity in your experience?
- yoyohello13 4y ago
  Kind of funny that being allowed to live life outside of work is offensive to American sensibilities.
  - nonethewiser 4y ago
    He speaks for himself
- shuntress 4y ago
  It doesn't "offend" "capitalistic sensibilities". It's just a result of optimizing the wrong metric. Decision makers for American companies tend to use "Time spent at work" as a proxy for "Productivity". That used to work just fine when the job was pulling levers on an assembly line but turns out to not make sense when you are talking about software development.
  - wpietri 4y ago
    I think the phrase "American capitalistic sensibilities" is well used here. American capitalism has a long history of optimizing for that particular wrong metric. It's culturally distinct from, say, Mittelstand capitalism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mittelstand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mittelstand
- nonethewiser 4y ago
  > My team is in Europe with 38 days of PTO and while it offends my American capitalistic sensibilities Do you actually think of yourself as a capitalist though?

nickfromseattle 4y ago

+1 on long vacations. My team is in Europe with 38 days of PTO and while it offends my American capitalistic sensibilities, it's created so much resilience because everyone is always on vacation, we've built our company ops to reflect this reality.

satvikpendem 4y ago
Like Netflix's chaos monkey but for people; unplug anyone from the system and the system should still work.
- grahamplace 4y ago
  At least one CTO has actually tried exactly that: https://danlebrero.com/2021/06/30/cto-dairy-lucky-lotto-chaos-engineering-for-teams/ https://danlebrero.com/2021/06/30/cto-dairy-lucky-lotto-chao...
antihipocrat 4y ago
Is having longer PTO in your business a detriment or neutral/net gain to overall productivity in your experience?
yoyohello13 4y ago
Kind of funny that being allowed to live life outside of work is offensive to American sensibilities.
- nonethewiser 4y ago
  He speaks for himself
shuntress 4y ago
It doesn't "offend" "capitalistic sensibilities". It's just a result of optimizing the wrong metric. Decision makers for American companies tend to use "Time spent at work" as a proxy for "Productivity". That used to work just fine when the job was pulling levers on an assembly line but turns out to not make sense when you are talking about software development.
- wpietri 4y ago
  I think the phrase "American capitalistic sensibilities" is well used here. American capitalism has a long history of optimizing for that particular wrong metric. It's culturally distinct from, say, Mittelstand capitalism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mittelstand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mittelstand
nonethewiser 4y ago
> My team is in Europe with 38 days of PTO and while it offends my American capitalistic sensibilities Do you actually think of yourself as a capitalist though?